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PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 08:24 AM

White Americans do the same crime and get less or not time
 
Judge Mathis Weighs In On The Execution Of Troy Davis!


Georgia, Really Tho? The Same Parole Board That Killed Troy Davis Gave Clemency To A White Male

Fight the power

Babaganoosh 09-23-2011 08:28 AM

I don't know the circumstances in either case and I am betting you don't either. One would need to know the circumstances before making a decision. Not everything is racially motivated. You people need to get over it already.

L-Pink 09-23-2011 08:34 AM

I'm sure both cases were absolutely identical except for skin color.

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Bladewire 09-23-2011 08:34 AM

Bringing people together seems a better option then dividing us by our differences :2 cents:

Caligari 09-23-2011 08:39 AM

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Now hold on their my good man, don't forget that its the white folks who pay more taxes to fund the prisons to put the coloreds in, and I might add they do get three square meals a day!*








*please god bring back the Chapelle show

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 08:41 AM

You cant bring people together, if you out to destroy them.
Black Americans get more time for the same crime as white, that is a fact.
Georgia should be the last state to hurt any black people for all the wrong they did in the past.
Like 4 times a year Dna testing have proven blacks didnt do the crime.

Dvae 09-23-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18446968)
I'm sure both cases were absolutely identical except for skin color.

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no doubt

I figure after 15 or 20 years of appeals and you have not been able to convince anyone of your innocence then it will probably never happen.

And just because witnesses recanted their testimony is not a surprise after about 5 years I would probably say I'm not so sure what I saw either.
I would hope they had more then eyewitness testimony to convict if not then thats a problem.

Babaganoosh 09-23-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18446985)
You cant bring people together, if you out to destroy them.
Black Americans get more time for the same crime as white, that is a fact.
Georgia should be the last state to hurt any black people for all the wrong they did in the past.

2 of the 5 members of the board are black by the way. Let me guess, they're sellouts?

http://www.pap.state.ga.us/opencms/opencms/

Grapesoda 09-23-2011 08:43 AM

more innocent brothers being poicked on by whitey

http://hoodtube.com/934/cop-runs-for...hotgun-at-him/

Dvae 09-23-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18446985)
You cant bring people together, if you out to destroy them.
Black Americans get more time for the same crime as white, that is a fact.
Georgia should be the last state to hurt any black people for all the wrong they did in the past.
Like 4 times a year Dna testing have proven blacks didnt do the crime.

You mean like OJ Simpson?

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 08:43 AM

" The parole board in the state of Georgia spared a convicted killer from execution hours before he was due to die by lethal injection on Thursday and commuted his sentence to life in prison. The Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles made its decision less than three hours before Samuel David Crowe, 47, was to be executed, according to a spokeswoman for the state's prisons. "After careful and exhaustive consideration of the requests, the board voted to grant clemency. The board voted to commute the sentence to life without parole," the parole board said. Crowe's death would have marked the third execution since the U.S. Supreme Court lifted an unofficial moratorium on the death penalty last month. Crowe was not present at the parole board hearing in Atlanta. He had already eaten his last meal and was preparing to enter the execution chamber at the prison in Jackson, Georgia, Mallie McCord of the Georgia Department of Corrections said. In March 1988, Crowe killed store manager Joseph Pala during a robbery at the lumber company in Douglas County, west of Atlanta. Crowe, who had previously worked at the store, shot Pala three times with a pistol, beat him with a crowbar and a pot of paint. Crowe pleaded guilty to armed robbery and murder and was sentenced to death the following year. "David (Crowe) takes full responsibility for his crime and experiences profound remorse," according to Georgians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, an advocacy group, who welcomed the board's decision. At Thursday's hearing, his lawyers presented a dossier of evidence attesting to his remorse and good behavior in jail, according to local media reports. The lawyers also said he was suffering from withdrawal symptoms from a cocaine addiction at the time of the crime. The U.S. Supreme Court on April 16 rejected a challenge to the three-drug cocktail used in most U.S. executions, which opponents claimed inflicted unnecessary pain. Georgia then conducted an execution on May 5. Georgia has executed 41 men since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1973 and this week it had 109 prisoners on death row." - Reuters

Grapesoda 09-23-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18446985)
You cant bring people together, if you out to destroy them.
Black Americans get more time for the same crime as white, that is a fact.
Georgia should be the last state to hurt any black people for all the wrong they did in the past.
Like 4 times a year Dna testing have proven blacks didnt do the crime.

fact: federal sentencing guidelines. more facts: no one is alive in Georgia from 1865 and before. another fact: racist, someone primarily concerned with race :2 cents:

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 08:50 AM

Fact: More blacks do more time for the same crime as whites. Right the fuck now

marketsmart 09-23-2011 08:50 AM

these two cases were very different..

troy davis was guilty and thats a fact...

i'm glad al sharpton got all the baboons riled up because it just shows that blacks will claim racism without even spending the time to learn the facts..

you dont like it here? then go live somewhere where there is no racism...

maybe antarctica...




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L-Pink 09-23-2011 08:50 AM

Equality in the justice system? Next you'll be wanting a black president.

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PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 08:51 AM

The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug
users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession
arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)
According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans
make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest
rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition,
since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons
incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in
that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses.

In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those
individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the
drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The
Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)
A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90
percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African
American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and
other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a
conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without
benefit of parole.

Just Alex 09-23-2011 08:56 AM

Texas executed white guy on the same day as Georgia did with Davis. Did you hear anyone bitching about it? No !

Just Alex 09-23-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447011)
Fact: More blacks do more time for the same crime as whites. Right the fuck now

Bullshit. But blacks are 5 times more likely to commit crime. And thats a fact.

NaughtyVisions 09-23-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18447005)
fact: federal sentencing guidelines. ...

I only spent a few minutes glancing over the details of each case, and, along with what was mentioned regarding Troy Davis in ShelleyCrash's thread, it seems as though:

Crowe killed one person, and has since expressed deep regret and remorse.

Davis killed multiple people (the off duty cop, someone else earlier in the night that he admitted to killing). Having one murder conviction is going to affect sentencing dramatically compared to someone who does not have a previous murder conviction.
That falls into the federal sentencing guidlelines BM Bradley mentioned.

The problem with this complaint, Pastor, is that the cases are not the same, therefore the two criminals cannot be compared. Compare Davis' plight to someone who had a previous murder conviction.

L-Pink 09-23-2011 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 18447043)
I only spent a few minutes glancing over the details of each case, and, along with what was mentioned regarding Troy Davis in ShelleyCrash's thread, it seems as though:

Crowe killed one person, and has since expressed deep regret and remorse.

Davis killed multiple people (the off duty cop, someone else earlier in the night that he admitted to killing). Having one murder conviction is going to affect sentencing dramatically compared to someone who does not have a previous murder conviction.
That falls into the federal sentencing guidlelines BM Bradley mentioned.

The problem with this complaint, Pastor, is that the cases are not the same, therefore the two criminals cannot be compared. Compare Davis' plight to someone who had a previous murder conviction.

Previous convictions are supposed to not be mentioned while on trial for a crime. They are however relevant when sentencing. (I think)

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NaughtyVisions 09-23-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18447053)
Previous convictions are supposed to not be mentioned while on trial for a crime. They are however relevant when sentencing. (I think)

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Yeah, I'm almost 100% they affect sentencing. Which is why I mentioned that other murder conviction as related to BM Bradley's mentioning of federal sentencing guidelines.


Edit: previous convictions do impact sentencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...ing_Guidelines

Quote:

Guidelines basics

The Guidelines determine sentences based primarily on two factors:
1.the conduct associated with the offense (the offense conduct, which produces the offense level)
2.the defendant's criminal history (the criminal history category)

The Sentencing Table[7] in the Guidelines Manual[8] shows the relationship between these two factors; for each pairing of offense level and criminal history category, the Table specifies a sentencing range, in months, within which the court may sentence a defendant. For example, for a defendant convicted on an offense with a total offense level of 22 and a criminal history category of I, the Guidelines recommend a sentence of 41–51 months, considering the year of the offense to be the same as the year of the guidelines. If, however, a person with an extensive criminal history (Category VI) committed the same offense in the same manner in the same modern timeline and not during the older guideline periods, the Guidelines would recommend a sentence of 84–105 months.[9]

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 09:16 AM

White Americans do the same crime and get less or not time.

_Richard_ 09-23-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18447028)
Texas executed white guy on the same day as Georgia did with Davis. Did you hear anyone bitching about it? No !

the guy who was to be executed admitted to the killing, which was horrific

pays to have a well connected family i suppose

pornguy 09-23-2011 09:19 AM

Based on these two videos you posted here you can NOT compare them.. There is ZERO information about why the other was granted.

BlackCrayon 09-23-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447011)
Fact: More blacks do more time for the same crime as whites. Right the fuck now

black people also typically have more priors too.

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 09:23 AM

Black men are mostly arrested for non-violent crimes such as drugs crimes, not for crimes like mass murders, serial killing, white collar crime.
Also, black men serve more time in jail than a white men even when they commited the same crime.

And it is also base on racism:
" U.S. studies showed that blacks were commonly sent to prison at higher rates and for longer prison terms than whites for the same crimes."

"Over half of those sentenced for drug offenses were black in 1998, even though 70% of drug users are white"

"Blacks were much more likely to be sent to prison than placed on probation"
Jack this

NaughtyVisions 09-23-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447098)
White Americans do the same crime and get less or not time.

You keep saying that, yet the example you gave didn't prove it, nor are you acknowleding that fact. Kind of reminds me of when SallyRand gets called out on something, and he/she/it posts the exact same thing five more times in the same thread.

amateurbfs 09-23-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 18447127)
You keep saying that, yet the example you gave didn't prove it, nor are you acknowleding that fact. Kind of reminds me of when SallyRand gets called out on something, and he/she/it posts the exact same thing five more times in the same thread.

Typical ignorant black American.

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 09:35 AM

PRove to me that black get equal time for the same crime?
But we for sure do more time for the same crime

Yes they do. But let me explain why. It is not because they are more violent than white men. It is because of the sentencing guidelines which are setup by white men which allow judges to have a heyday on whom they will. The United States only makes up 5% of the world population but has the world's largest prison system. Even larger than that of China. Black men only make up 6% of the US population but make up over 45% of the prison population. Asians and Hispanics make up about 25% of the prison population combined. White men make up about only 30% and this is mostly poor whites. Looking at the statistics one would think that black men are more criminal when they are no more criminal than any other race of men. The reason they out number all other race of men in prison is because they get horrendously long sentences for non-violent crimes. Black men are in prison for drug charges more than any other crime. Being a pedophile is a terrible crime. 80% of the males who commit this horrendous act are white. Though this is perceived to be an act of violence against a child, white men receive far less time than a black male who got caught smoking crack or got caught selling 10 rocks of crack cocaine. Google and see for yourself.

+ It is very unfortunate, that there is no outcry among African Americans for what is going on. I personally know of men who smoked marijuana at one time but stopped...but because they associated at one time or another with someone who did, they are serving 15 to 20 years in prison. Judges are able to do this through what is called "Conspiracy Charges". When you get a conspiracy charge, they (the feds) collect as much marijuana or cocaine as they can and charge each person they've arrested with that exact amount of drugs. It does not matter whether you personally ever even saw the marijuana or not. You are charged and sentenced as though you personally sold it. This action is legal because whites have made it legal, thus making it possible to imprison a huge number of black men for long periods of time and not one family member can do anything about it.
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+ Is it just? No, but then the Justice System has a horrendous history of allowing lynchings and rapes against blacks to go on in America without one arrest. So it is no wonder that it continues to be unjust in it's sentencing of blacks today.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_black_m...#ixzz1YnInntbX

PastorSinAlot 09-23-2011 09:37 AM

Black man kills a dog gets life
White man plays with kids booty gets out in 12 months?

Just Alex 09-23-2011 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447098)
White Americans do the same crime and get less or not time.

Bullshit. Prove it.

Just Alex 09-23-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447126)
Black men are mostly arrested for non-violent crimes

Fuck off, will you? And please dont tell me its crackers killing black folks in da hood.

Quote:

In 2005, 2.7% of African Americans became the victim of a violent crime, compared to 2.0% of Whites. African Americans were overall 35% more likely to sustain a violent crime. The likelihood of being murdered was drastically higher for African Americans.[23] In 2004 African Americans constituted roughly 13.4% of the general population,[24] yet, nearly half, 49%, of all murder victims in 2005 were African American.
Im sure you know better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

:321GFY

NaughtyVisions 09-23-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447151)
Black man kills a dog gets life

I must have missed when Michael Vick received his life sentence. I could have sworn he was the starting QB for my favorite NFL team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447151)
White man plays with kids booty gets out in 12 months?

Generally speaking, any man plays with kids booty gets his ass maimed in prison, and most likely comes out in a body bag.

stephane76 09-23-2011 11:50 AM

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http://i.imgur.com/djOnM.jpg

L-Pink 09-23-2011 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorSinAlot (Post 18447098)
White Americans do the same crime and get less or not time.

Even more incentive for "non whites" to be law abiding citizens. What's the problem?

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Barefootsies 09-23-2011 11:53 AM

Whitey will typically pay for an attorney.

Darkey will go with the public defender.

While I am sure this is not an absolute, but I would say it's true more times than not in whatever example you're citing. Hence O.J.. If you pay for legal representation, you tend to buy yourself a better brand of "justice". This is how the system works.

It's not about race. It's about socio-economic class. Welcome to the U.S.A..
:2 cents:

Just Alex 09-23-2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephane76 (Post 18447495)

The author of this article attempts to deceive the reader by a lie of omission. He failed to mention that the $100 bank robber was convicted of first degree robbery. During the robbery he held his hand under his jacket to insinuate he had a gun, which makes it an armed robbery !

blazin 09-23-2011 12:49 PM

Happens here in the UK too....

Contempt 09-23-2011 12:55 PM

Because judges and juries know that white people are superior

marketsmart 09-23-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18447505)
Whitey will typically pay for an attorney.

Darkey will go with the public defender.

While I am sure this is not an absolute, but I would say it's true more times than not in whatever example you're citing. Hence O.J.. If you pay for legal representation, you tend to buy yourself a better brand of "justice". This is how the system works.

It's not about race. It's about socio-economic class. Welcome to the U.S.A..
:2 cents:

very true..

a friend of my families just spent $150,000 to defend his son who killed a woman while drunk driving.. she had just got engaged and fiance and his friend were in the front seat and she was in the back seat with no seat belt.. the kid rear ended them causing their car to flip and the girl was ejected and died at the scene..

his son got 1 year in county jail and 2 years house arrest and 5 years probabtion and thats it.. he was 2.5 times legal limit and speeding..

if that was my fiance and her killer got off like that, i would kill that kid myself..

but on the flip side, would i do everything in my power to keep my kid out of jail?






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