For those who think poor people don't pay their share in taxes, you are severely misinformed.
 

"My taxes pay for this, my taxes pay for that."

So do theirs, assholes.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505

I am going to have to agree with you on this (I believe that may be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse by the way). Payroll taxes are taxes that are applied on a percentage basis to wage income (and are therefore clearly "income taxes") and represent a significant tax burden to low wage workers. The idea that someone making minimum wage who pays payroll taxes is not a "taxpayer" is absurd. I have to assume that the notion that low wage workers don't pay taxes is primarily spread by people who have never actually had an actual job.

how much you pay?

poor people should be euthanized

The biggest payroll tax is FICA which is for social security. Was about 7.5% and the employer has to match which make it a gross tax of 15%. Again this is for "social security".

consumption taxes and the large variety of hidden taxes as well.

Poor people's taxes pay for what, exactly? Less than their share of the services they consume perhaps?

Really, do poor people take up all the highways and sky ways with their big trailer
trucks and jet planes?

- Maybe it's the garbage they create when running their restaurants.
- Or do they dump their chemical waste to be cleaned up?
- Maybe they use too much city water in their swimming pools.
- Maybe it's the money we spend when we put them on lengthy trials for them to be
acquitted.
- Some poor dude did those oil spills I bet.
- Ahh, I got it! It's the body odor of the poor that causes global warming.

:1orglaugh

If you are minimum wage you are probably going to get it all back when you file your taxes. :2 cents:

Best response I could imagine for this discussion.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They also ignored the part that stated that those getting tax credits usually pay Federal taxes most years, it's when they lose a job or similar. And damn those college students (future tax payers) not covering their share of Federal tax.

In addition to all the taxes the bottom pays, the top pays 6 and 7 figures more on top of it. The poor have their way paid for them by their betters.

You really must not understand payroll taxes. They are not refunded. They are paid at a straight percentage regardless of income. If you made only $50 of wages in a year you would still pay 7.5% of that $50 in payroll taxes. There are no deductions or exemptions from payroll taxes. They are withheld from your check and they most certainly are not refunded.

:1orglaugh

There is so much more I left out.
The government knew what they were doing when they set up a tax structure.
It's just been eroded over the years through false claims by politicians who get
their financial backing from the rich.

Oh yeah, almost forgot; it was welfare recipients in housing projects that caused the
mortgage crisis and a trillion dollar bail out. They caused it because they should
have bought those fucking homes with food stamps when the wealthy people hauled ass.

:1orglaugh

Europe, too many people being paid too much for doing jackshit and too many people not being compensated appropriately for busting their balls. Slice the cake how you think between tax/benefits/paternity/maternity/icantworkforeternity/ the system has seized up.
Seized up because the takers outway the givers/producers.........Ohhhh wow doesn't this sound familiar.... you might think I am a cunt but I have been banging on about this for years in the adult industry....... so .........another thread !!

That's okay, the top .1% buy and pay for everyone and the .9% left in the fake 1%, get to continue on pretending to be rich while they pay up too... suckers!


Anyway, the lower income to working poor people pay a much much much LARGER percentage of income to taxes.

They don't get a return on all taxes, just income tax... and that is a tax that is still taken from them each check, and percentage of income wise, it hits them hard every check. Plenty of hard working, poor people, that struggle to pay for food over $20 a week that was ate up in taxes rather than the kids mouths. That's a worry us higher income folks never think about.....


Some taxes we all pay:
SS & Medicare roughly 15% or so... that's a hell of an amount to low income people
State income taxes and Property/Rental tax - State to state of course.
Sales Tax - They don't buy as much, but it hits them harder either way.
All public transportation, car reg, whatever we use - all have taxes on it
Passed on corporate income taxes.

Keep paying to have you taxes done homie, 'cause your shit is wack.

First I will give you a little credit for what "you meant to say" :
You meant to say that social security and medicare taxes will be paid no matter
what.

But it can all be negated by the following :

- Everybody can claim the "Standard Deduction" on all Fed tax forms.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Earn Income Credit"
- Everybody eligible can now claim, since Obama took office, "Making Work Pay"
- Everybody can deduct health care cost exceeding 4% of the income.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Head of House hold".
- Everybody with kids can claim deductions for each child
- Everybody can claim a dependent spouse, relative, guardianship
- Everybody can deduct charitable or political contributions
- Everybody can deduct business expenses(I made $50, and the yard rake cost $10 :1orglaugh)

With that combination, it is possible for someone with really low income to get back all
taxes THEY PAID (employer paid for them too, not getting that back) plus another
$100 to $x,xxx back.

**But keep in mind that this money goes to people in the spirit of : "Thanks for working because at this income you
could have been on welfare/food stamps and collected more".

What a stupid fucking list. Are you really this clueless or just playing stupid on the Internet?

I have no doubt that you have much more experience with the in and outs of being a low income wage employee than I do....... so I will not try to argue with your knowledge gained from first hand experience. :winkwink:

whether that's a "tax" or more like mandatory insurance/investment you have to buy isn't that clear... I would call it more like mandatory insurance/investment, since you pay now but in theory you get it all back in 40 years when you retire... :2 cents:

(you actually won't get back even close to what you pay in, but that's a whole different topic)

That's the point I was trying to make as far as the biggest percentage actually paid.

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wasn't sure if you meant that FICA is not a tax, but looks like we are on the same page... hopefully my reply clarified it a little for others...:thumbsup

When I had a retail business it was amazing how few employees were aware the company had to match their FICA deduction. That the true FICA tax was really 15% of their earnings.

Probably true. If you have $500 withheld, get a $1000 refund, and a $5500 Pell grant, on net you've paid negative six thousand. Something like 45% of Americans pay less than zero net.

The article makes a big deal of the fact that almost everyone who works a legitimate job pays into social security and medicare.
Yes, mom paid $50,000 in FICA taxes over jer lifetime, but she's getting back $100,000 in social security and medicare, so she costs the government $50,000 in cash alone.

Since some people truly can't carry their own weight, we should help them. 45% is a scary number, though, because it's close to a majority who can vote themselves huge government checks. It makes perfect sense to them to vote for a $10,000 "refund" paid for by an 80% tax on businesses. As they become the majority, I see no reason to think they won't do that and so destroy the country.

needles to say ... they are the
99%

... go figure ...

Yep, Have a friend who was on unemployment all last year, didn't work 1 day. No taxes taken out of unemployment check. She has 3 children and got over $12K back on taxes..

its amazing what passes for truth amongst the uninformed.
from the liberal rag "the washington post"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

This is a perfect example of how "conservatives" love to use fuzzy math to back up their false claims. You keep quoting that article... but that article doesn't take a number of things into account. First of all, the top 1% earn 20% of the nations income and the top 50% earn 84% of the nations income. The top 10% own more than 60% of the nations assets. Herein lies the logical fallacy that the wealthy pay more in taxes vs. the poor. The AMOUNT is certainly more... the taxes paid as a percentage of income isn't even close... especially when you start counting state and local taxes.

The wealthy earn a much greater share of the income and own a much greater share of the assets... OF COURSE they pay a lot in taxes. However, the narrative from the right wing says that the bottom 47% don't pay ANY taxes... and that is false. They pay a much higher share of taxes as a percentage of their income than any wealthy person does and that is just pure FACT.

I just moved the South Carolina (Rock Hill). South Carolina is arguably one of the most conservative states in the union, right?

The first thing that occurred when I moved here is that my car insurance increased 180% because of the fees charges to insurance companies by the state (as explained by my insurance agent). Secondly, before I could license my cars, I had to pay property tax on them - $750 - 6% of the value they place on the cars. For example, they valued my 2010 Dodge Charger SXT with 11,500 miles on it at $25,651. They don't sell for that new. The Blue Book value is $16,725.

Then I had to pay another $125 to get an SC drivers license for my wife and I plus the car registration....

Btw... did I mention that the property tax on cars is due annually just like home property tax? I never had to pay anything like that in Michigan. I call bullshit that conservatives represent less government and less taxes.

I didn't really see anyone here dispute this, of course I could have missed it.

Anyway, I wonder why these articles never go into the percentage of earned income vs. taxes paid. It's always about the 'share' or 'burden' of the total.... the progressive tax system is about paying a fair share, not about who pays the most vs. the least overall.

I didn't bother reading past this since its a lie.
notice below where it says the words "add up all the various taxes" "effective tax rate" "CBO" and "percentage"

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent



you're simply incorrect or lying.

Do you not see this in the paragraph you posted? "the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes"

That's totally different than saying: The working poor pay a larger percentage of their INCOME to taxes than the higher incomes.

Notice they are different.... It's logical that the more you make, the more share of taxes you pay. A person making 1 million a year vs. a person making 25k a year, the 1m a person pays more in taxes than the 25k a year person makes total.

However, the taxes the 25k a year a person pays will leave him with far less money each check, the percentage of income left over is greatly reduced, compared to any bracket above them.

I simply refuse to believe you can't see the difference.

Funny... like a typical conservative ideologue you ignore the fact that I already proved this article wrong using the exact data they are quoting in another thread... remember 17%?

The report he is quoting includes excise tax... when was the last time you paid excise tax?

Taxes everybody pays
 

Guy I knew hated bicyclists, said they don't pay road tax since they don't buy gas.
1-most bicyclists also own a car. Pay gas tax
2-anything, anyone purchases was delivered by at least 1 truck, but probably several trucks & trains
They all paid fuel taxes & other taxes

NO CORPORATION PAYS TAXES, they pass that on to the buyer as part of the cost of the product. Same as the cost of the product they sell, cost of employees, and all other costs.
Only tax businesses pay is sales tax. But they collect that on top of the selling price of the product & hold that money in trust for the state.

wow, which idiot to respond to...........
nationx, you didn't prove the CBO's numbers I quoted above wrong in ANY thread, you merely babbled on shouting it was incorrect. much like you're doing here. sadly for you and luckily for the rest of the world, the CBO's numbers mean a whole lot more than the mighty nationx's. :1orglaugh

The tax deductions for kids is massive!

But look how wealthy people with kids who take those deductions bitch about
the government paying welfare people for having kids?

It's the same fucking money.

Then the wealthy will say "but I worked for it". I then say, I'm single, no kids,
made the same income as you and I worked for it.....but I don't get it.
I also say "why should you get a tax break for not being able to keep your dick in
your pants". :1orglaugh

They hate that shit. They hate admitting that they also get welfare but only through
a tax form.

lets pretend that instead of being a liar, you're just bad at reading.

Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


I dumbed it down for you so you wouldn't be confused.
just read the bold words.:1orglaugh

you day laborers don't understand what he's talking about.
The key words in his post were "No taxes taken out of unemployment check" and "got over $12K back on taxes"

much different than getting some of the taxes you paid back by taking a deduction for a child.

What about the poor that only take and are NOT wage earners.

I truly hope you're trying to troll and not actually being stupid on this....


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...rprise-to-them

Btw, this is from the CBPP... Edit: typed wrong letters

http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6/5-26-11tax-f2.jpg
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6/5-26-11tax-f3.jpg

Uh oh... now we know The Doc is a commie... he linked to DKos...

She might be my friend, but she is a system girl. She gets all those food stamps and other stuff as well. She gets almost 800 a month food stamps. like $2,000 a year energy assistance, she is "working" the online school system for all that money and loans. (she said she will never pay back) and several other programs. She told me she is worried because her unemployment runs out in Dec of this year, 99 weeks is up. Oh and she gets Child support!