In-House Web Developer
 

If you wanted to hire programmer, and bring them in-house full time, what do you believe is fair annual salary? I know some of the bigger adult, and mainstream, programs have their own in-house developers and designers for any number of reasons.

I am curious as to the salary trade offs would be for someone opting to go full time in-house, versus hustling for gigs on the web. I would think you could make more on the hustling, assuming you have a number of regular clients, versus a fixed salary. Although, older guys with families probably appreciate stability.

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Depends on where you are based. Cost of living, job market etc, or do you mean work from home office just for one client?

Exactly... and the experience of the developer.

Breakfest, lunch, dinner, 5 pets of his choice and a place to live. Hookers every Friday. He chooses. Bye.

Programmers here are $60-80k, and much more if they find the right job at the right place.

My girl works as an in-house web / app developer. Her department bills out at $100 per hour. And she bills upwards of 50 hours each week. Her salary with benefits and what not is about 1/2 of what she makes them each year.

That seems like a fair situation for everyone involved.

most people that work for agencies make peanuts compared to what the client makes per project.

Depends on many factors.

I know that in the UK, a Webdeveloper salary averages at 65k£

$60k-$100k

I'll give you some "off-the-cuff" thoughts while I watch the Pacquiao fight:

Senior-Level: Capable of architecting and executing enterprise-level applications that deliver in time-to-market, scalability, and maintainability. Deadlines are set in stone, and delivery is virtually certain. Often has responsibility for more junior-level staff, and may serve as an interim CTO or VP of Engineering while the company seeks in-house staff. This person is a programmer, not a web developer, and is capable of delivering projects across a multitude of platforms. Comfortable in a number of frameworks, and is capable of constructing custom MVC-based frameworks for projects. Excellent grasp of object-oriented principles. Code is self-documenting. Utilizes unit testing, version tracking, and bug tracking tools. Capable of re-architecting existing codebases from the superclass and interface level, as well as database plans and server infrastructure. Cooperatively generates, and then works off of a very detailed spec sheet. Engages with only the most interesting or profitable projects, and almost always has more available work than available time. Monthly revenue from freelance projects: $9,500 to $15,000. Salary requirements: $95,000-$145,000.

Upper-Mid-Level: Can execute the system architecture of a more senior-level coder, generally meets deadlines without excuses, and finishes the majority of projects they start. Good grasp of object oriented principles. Capable of changing gears in the middle of a project and adapting a spec sheet to meet the fluid goals. Works well with others, and is capable of doing a code review of more junior-level programmers. Can enhance super-classes and class interfaces. Monthly revenue from freelance projects: $6,500 to $9,000. Salary requirements: $75,000 to $90,000.

Mid-Level: Capable of working as part of a cohesive team. Comfortable with MVC and object-oriented principles, but may not always utilize them properly. Can maintain the code of more junior-level programmers, and has suggestions for improving some methods and classes. Code produced is often somewhat challenging for other coders to maintain. Generally has no knowledge of programming, and is primarily a web developer. Monthly revenue from freelance projects: $2,500 to $5,000. Salary requirements: $45,000 to $65,000.

Junior-Level: Generally works alone ("Cowboy Coding"), producing code that is difficult to maintain. Uncomfortable or unfamiliar with MVC, OOP, unit testing, and possible basic concepts such as regression and referential data integrity. Usually incapable of working with the code of others, and will often suggest code-rewrites. Completion is far from guaranteed, and projects are often abandoned when the work moves beyond the scope of their ability. Often poorly articulate in spec sheets, and budgets overruns, delays, and other problems are common. May only have knowledge of one web development language (PHP being the most common), and has no knowledge of programming. Monthly revenue from freelance projects: $0-$2,000. Salary requirements: $20,000 to $35,000.

That's based on my roughly two decades of experience developing in general (in languages beyond the learner-level -- we're not counting the time spent BASIC and its kin here), and about a decade and a half developing in the corporate world for large clients.

That's a good rate. When I worked inhouse it was about a third wages/third overheads/ third profit.

You cock-loving lover of cocks. I took all that time to give you a brain dump on the programmers available and their prices, and you can't even be bothered to come in here and call me an asshole?

What an inconsiderate prick...

Both Edgeprod AND Barefootsies. :1orglaugh

Just sent you an ICQ champ!
I can get you Senior LAMP( Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP ) programmer fully dedicate to you and YOUR working hours for as low as $2,900 a month ! I am talking about pro guys ! :winkwink:

none of the pro's i know will work for that money.

I like in house. Outsourcing can be a huge bitch. So much time and money wasted on sites like freelance and odesk

How many do you know in India?

what does location have to do with anything? If a job is worth $20k, someone good will charge $20k... why wouldn't they?

Someone new to freelancing could perhaps make a mistake at first and charge low rates, but he will learn pretty quickly what the going rate for his expertise is and will adjust his rates accordingly... so low rates 99% of the time indicate lack of experience and/or skill... :2 cents:

40-100k. Depends on their experience and their location.

Sounds about right. Location is key. Programer that lives in the San Francisco will cost you more than a programer in Arizona.

No, you can't, and no, you aren't. Review above what that term actually means, and the see if your guy or gal fits that bill. He or she does not.

hehehe...

Nobody will HIRE YOU.

It's obvious you have problems to manage your ATTITUDE and you never solved that.

You always pretend to be a cool and nice guy, but that's a complete FAKE Personality you show off to hide your REAL YOU, MR. HIDE.

When things get messy, you become your REAL YOU, a HATRED person that will get in trouble in no time.

You took a few classes of Kick-Boxing to try to deal with it, but never could.

GO SEE A Shrink.

Seriously.

Why are you even in this thread? You couldn't code an anchor tag properly. Begone child.

You have 6 followers in FACEBOOK for your PAGE "Attack of the Babe"... Wow, you are a successful webmaster!

Busca tu maldito nombre en Google, idiota, hihihi... That's marketing!

Up Your Ass...

Didn't see a page even for Venusblogger.com... So looks like my 6 likes on Facebook beats yours.

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Doctors and dentists in many countries make less than $2,900 a month - so i think a Senior LAMP Developer in those countries makes less than $2,900 a month.

Haha, dude, your extension is playing tricks on me. It looks like you're talking to yourself! I love not seeing silly drivel on the board anymore. About a dozen people on my ignore list, and it's awesome. Look at how funny it looks with you talking to yourself, though:

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/gfy/talking-self.png

I don't doubt that. What I'm doubting is that they're as senior as it's being represented. Those people are such a small segment of the population that people throw the term around irresponsibly. I'll eat my hat if the candidate he's talking about fits the qualifications I've laid out. I'd even be willing to interview them to see.

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Yeah wish I had more free time to improve it so their quotes are removed and it's easier to add users to your list.

Maybe next year.

lol. back on topic. ranges 60-100k year at least in the US. cheaper overseas but you get what you pay for.

That'd be even MORE confusing! :1orglaugh

I knew Doctor JEKYLL was using a MAC...

And he pretends to be paid huge amounts of money for his pathetic coding skills? LOL.

You don't deserve that money.

And with your ATTITUDE, I would never ever hire you and I would recommend anyone I can to stay away from you... Your shitty ATTITUDE playing tricks is what bothers me the most and what I consider the most UN-PROFESSIONAL person I have seen lately...

Stay away from EDGEPROD. His attitude sucks. You dont want to deal with that kind of sicko.

Now go cry all you want. You will see my post anyways.

Did I mention I smoke crack rocks?

Free blog since 2009?
I've known Dom for about 10 years, unprofessional would be coming into a thread to jump him without a clue. I've seen his coding, you don't say where you have, are you just judging him because of something he said on a website called Go Fuck Yourself?

They are good but not pro's and yes i know a few.

What? You are *really* suggesting you can't get a professional developer overseas?

Amusing.