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Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 01:38 PM

the truth of the American police state today
 
?The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself? Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.?
?H.L. Mencken, American journalist

Truth #1: The US is on the brink of bankruptcy, as many economists have been warning for some time now, with more than $16 trillion in debts owned by foreign nationals and corporations. As one financial news site reports: ?Internationally, the world is fed up with The Fed and the US government?s unabashed debt growth. China, Russia, Iran, India and a host of other countries are establishing trade relationships that are bypassing the US dollar altogether, a move that will soon see the world?s reserve currency lose purchasing power and status. In anticipation of this imminent collapse gold is being hoarded by private and public entities from Berlin to Beijing in an effort to preserve wealth before the Tsunami hits.?

Truth #2: We no longer have a government that is ?of the people, for the people and by the people.? What we have now is a feudal monarchy, run by wealthy overlords and financed with the blood, sweat and labor of the underclasses who are kept in check by the increasingly militarized police. This sorry state of affairs is reinforced by a study which found that average citizens have ?little or no independent influence? on the policy-making process. A similar study published by the Political Research Quarterly revealed that members of the US Senate represent their wealthiest constituents while ignoring those on the bottom rung of the economic ladder.

Truth #3: Far from being a benevolent entity concerned with the well-being of its citizens, whether in matters of health, safety or security, the government is concerned with three things only: power, control and money. As an often quoted adage says, ?Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.? Unfortunately, the master-servant relationship that once had the government answering to ?we the people? has been reversed. Government agents now act as if they are the masters and we are the servants. Nowhere is this more evident than in the transformation of police officers from benevolent keepers of the peace to inflexible extensions of the military hyped up on the power of their badge.

Truth #4: Our primary use to the government is as consumers, worker bees and bits of data to be collected, catalogued, controlled, mined for information, and sold to the highest bidder. Working in cahoots with corporations, the government has given itself carte blanche access to our phone calls, emails, bank transactions, physical movements, even our travels on foot or in our cars. Cybersecurity expert Richard Clarke envisions a future where data about every aspect of our lives will be collected and analyzed. Thus, no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court might have said to the contrary, the government no longer needs a warrant to spy on your cell phone activity or anything else for that matter. As the Washington Post recently revealed, 9 out of 10 people caught up in the NSA?s surveillance net had done nothing wrong to justify such intrusions on their privacy. Clearly, the government now operates relatively autonomously, answering only to itself and unbridled by the courts, Congress, the will of the people or the Constitution.

Truth #5: Whatever problems we are grappling with in regards to illegal immigrants flooding over the borders has little to do with the fact that the borders are porous and everything to do with the government?s own questionable agenda. How is it that a government capable of locking down roads, open seas, and air routes is unable to prevent tens of thousands of women and children from crossing into the US illegally? Conveniently, the Obama administration is asking Congress for $3.8 billion in emergency funding to send more immigration judges to the southern border, build additional detention facilities and add border patrol agents. The funds would be managed by the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State and Health and Human Services, the very same agencies responsible for bringing about a rapid shift into a police state.

Truth #6: The US government is preparing for massive domestic unrest, arising most likely from an economic meltdown. The government has repeatedly made clear its intentions, through its US Army War College report alerting the military to prepare for a ?violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,? through its ongoing military drills in cities across the country, through its profiling of potential homegrown ?dissidents? or extremists, and through the proliferation of detention centers being built across the country.

Truth #7: As Gerald Ford warned, ?A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.? Too often, Americans have fallen prey to the temptation to let the government take care of whatever ails them, whether it be financial concerns, health needs, childcare. As a result, we now find ourselves caught in a Catch-22 situation wherein the government?s so-called solutions to our problems have led to even graver problems. In this way, zero tolerance policies intended to outlaw drugs and weapons in schools result in young children being arrested and kicked out of school for childish behavior such as drawing pictures of soldiers and crying too much; truancy laws intended to keep students in school have resulted in parents being arrested and fined excessively; and zoning laws intended to protect homeowners have been used to prosecute residents who attempt to live off the grid.

Truth #8: The US is following the Nazi blueprint to a ?t,? whether through its storm trooper-like police in the form of heavily armed government agents, to its erection of an electronic concentration camp that not only threatens to engulf America but the rest of the world as well via NSA surveillance programs such as Five Eyes. Most damning of all is the Department of Homeland Security?s self-appointed role as a national police force, a.k.a. standing army, the fundamental and final building block for every totalitarian regime that has ever wreaked havoc on humanity. Indeed, just about every nefarious deed, tactic or thuggish policy advanced by the government today can be traced back to the DHS, its police state mindset, and the billions of dollars it distributes to police agencies in the form of grants.

Truth #9: Not only does the US government perpetrate organized, systematic violence on its own citizens, especially those who challenge its authority nonviolently, in the form of SWAT team raids, militarized police, and roaming VIPR checkpoints, but it gets away with these clear violations of the Fourth Amendment because the courts grant them immunity from wrongdoing. Expanding its reach, the US also exports its violence wholesale to other countries through armaments sales and the use of its military as a global police force. Yet no matter how well trained, well equipped and well financed, America cannot police the world. As history shows, military empires, once over extended, inevitably collapse into chaos.

Truth #10: The United States of America has become the new battlefield. In fact, the only real war being fought by the US government today is the war on the American people, and it is being waged with deadly weapons, militarized police, surveillance technology, laws that criminalize otherwise lawful behavior, private prisons that operate on quota systems, and government officials who are no longer accountable to the rule of law.


This will not end well. But hey, you got a shiny new phone.

Vendzilla 07-09-2014 03:23 PM

Waiting for a liberal to blame it on Bush and call you a racist for thinking this.

kane 07-09-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153228)
?The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself? Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.?
?H.L. Mencken, American journalist

Truth #1: The US is on the brink of bankruptcy, as many economists have been warning for some time now, with more than $16 trillion in debts owned by foreign nationals and corporations. As one financial news site reports: ?Internationally, the world is fed up with The Fed and the US government?s unabashed debt growth. China, Russia, Iran, India and a host of other countries are establishing trade relationships that are bypassing the US dollar altogether, a move that will soon see the world?s reserve currency lose purchasing power and status. In anticipation of this imminent collapse gold is being hoarded by private and public entities from Berlin to Beijing in an effort to preserve wealth before the Tsunami hits.?

Truth #2: We no longer have a government that is ?of the people, for the people and by the people.? What we have now is a feudal monarchy, run by wealthy overlords and financed with the blood, sweat and labor of the underclasses who are kept in check by the increasingly militarized police. This sorry state of affairs is reinforced by a study which found that average citizens have ?little or no independent influence? on the policy-making process. A similar study published by the Political Research Quarterly revealed that members of the US Senate represent their wealthiest constituents while ignoring those on the bottom rung of the economic ladder.

Truth #3: Far from being a benevolent entity concerned with the well-being of its citizens, whether in matters of health, safety or security, the government is concerned with three things only: power, control and money. As an often quoted adage says, ?Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.? Unfortunately, the master-servant relationship that once had the government answering to ?we the people? has been reversed. Government agents now act as if they are the masters and we are the servants. Nowhere is this more evident than in the transformation of police officers from benevolent keepers of the peace to inflexible extensions of the military hyped up on the power of their badge.

Truth #4: Our primary use to the government is as consumers, worker bees and bits of data to be collected, catalogued, controlled, mined for information, and sold to the highest bidder. Working in cahoots with corporations, the government has given itself carte blanche access to our phone calls, emails, bank transactions, physical movements, even our travels on foot or in our cars. Cybersecurity expert Richard Clarke envisions a future where data about every aspect of our lives will be collected and analyzed. Thus, no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court might have said to the contrary, the government no longer needs a warrant to spy on your cell phone activity or anything else for that matter. As the Washington Post recently revealed, 9 out of 10 people caught up in the NSA?s surveillance net had done nothing wrong to justify such intrusions on their privacy. Clearly, the government now operates relatively autonomously, answering only to itself and unbridled by the courts, Congress, the will of the people or the Constitution.

Truth #5: Whatever problems we are grappling with in regards to illegal immigrants flooding over the borders has little to do with the fact that the borders are porous and everything to do with the government?s own questionable agenda. How is it that a government capable of locking down roads, open seas, and air routes is unable to prevent tens of thousands of women and children from crossing into the US illegally? Conveniently, the Obama administration is asking Congress for $3.8 billion in emergency funding to send more immigration judges to the southern border, build additional detention facilities and add border patrol agents. The funds would be managed by the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State and Health and Human Services, the very same agencies responsible for bringing about a rapid shift into a police state.

Truth #6: The US government is preparing for massive domestic unrest, arising most likely from an economic meltdown. The government has repeatedly made clear its intentions, through its US Army War College report alerting the military to prepare for a ?violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,? through its ongoing military drills in cities across the country, through its profiling of potential homegrown ?dissidents? or extremists, and through the proliferation of detention centers being built across the country.

Truth #7: As Gerald Ford warned, ?A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.? Too often, Americans have fallen prey to the temptation to let the government take care of whatever ails them, whether it be financial concerns, health needs, childcare. As a result, we now find ourselves caught in a Catch-22 situation wherein the government?s so-called solutions to our problems have led to even graver problems. In this way, zero tolerance policies intended to outlaw drugs and weapons in schools result in young children being arrested and kicked out of school for childish behavior such as drawing pictures of soldiers and crying too much; truancy laws intended to keep students in school have resulted in parents being arrested and fined excessively; and zoning laws intended to protect homeowners have been used to prosecute residents who attempt to live off the grid.

Truth #8: The US is following the Nazi blueprint to a ?t,? whether through its storm trooper-like police in the form of heavily armed government agents, to its erection of an electronic concentration camp that not only threatens to engulf America but the rest of the world as well via NSA surveillance programs such as Five Eyes. Most damning of all is the Department of Homeland Security?s self-appointed role as a national police force, a.k.a. standing army, the fundamental and final building block for every totalitarian regime that has ever wreaked havoc on humanity. Indeed, just about every nefarious deed, tactic or thuggish policy advanced by the government today can be traced back to the DHS, its police state mindset, and the billions of dollars it distributes to police agencies in the form of grants.

Truth #9: Not only does the US government perpetrate organized, systematic violence on its own citizens, especially those who challenge its authority nonviolently, in the form of SWAT team raids, militarized police, and roaming VIPR checkpoints, but it gets away with these clear violations of the Fourth Amendment because the courts grant them immunity from wrongdoing. Expanding its reach, the US also exports its violence wholesale to other countries through armaments sales and the use of its military as a global police force. Yet no matter how well trained, well equipped and well financed, America cannot police the world. As history shows, military empires, once over extended, inevitably collapse into chaos.

Truth #10: The United States of America has become the new battlefield. In fact, the only real war being fought by the US government today is the war on the American people, and it is being waged with deadly weapons, militarized police, surveillance technology, laws that criminalize otherwise lawful behavior, private prisons that operate on quota systems, and government officials who are no longer accountable to the rule of law.


This will not end well. But hey, you got a shiny new phone.

I agree with most of what you have said here, but I am curious what having a shiny new phone has to do with it. Are you suggesting people are too distracted by other things to care?

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20153334)
I agree with most of what you have said here, but I am curious what having a shiny new phone has to do with it. Are you suggesting people are too distracted by other things to care?

Yes, exactly. Most people are walking around in a self-induced fog, oblivious to what's happening around them. As long as they've got a shiny phone, or a new episode of 'Modern Family' to zone out on.... nothing else matters. I mention these things to people, and they look at me like a dog does when you try explaining algebra.

420 07-09-2014 04:20 PM


kane 07-09-2014 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153339)
Yes, exactly. Most people are walking around in a self-induced fog, oblivious to what's happening around them. As long as they've got a shiny phone, or a new episode of 'Modern Family' to zone out on.... nothing else matters. I mention these things to people, and they look at me like a dog does when you try explaining algebra.

It is the same reason most people say they want change, but really don't want change.

Right now congress has an approval rating of around 10%. Gallup did a poll and showed that people feel better about cockroaches than they do the current congress. Yet you know 75%-80% of them will be re-elected.

Rochard 07-09-2014 04:25 PM

troll harder.

http://www.rochardsbunnyranch.com/rock/boxxy.gif

Anyone can cut and paste.

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20153349)
troll harder.

Anyone can cut and paste.

That doesn't invalidate the info contained. You are hung up on pointless shit, which is precisely what I'm talking about.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2014 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153228)
[T]ruth #7: As Gerald Ford warned, ...

I still remember that moron Jerry Ford and his W.I.N. Buttons (Whip Inflation Now) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d-rumsfeld.jpg

That's Jerry Ford laughing with his "henchman" Donald Rumsfeld.
We used to call him "rummy" back then. (I wonder why?)

Quote:

When he left OEO in December 1970, Nixon named Rumsfeld Counsellor to the President, a general advisory position that earned him Cabinet-status.[26] He was given an office in the West Wing in 1969 and regularly interacted with the Nixon administration hierarchy. He was named Director of the Economic Stabilization Program in 1970 as well, and headed up the Cost of Living Council. In 1971 Nixon was recorded saying about Rumsfeld "at least Rummy is tough enough" and "He's a ruthless little bastard. You can be sure of that." ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_...Administration
Tricky Dick called that one right -- birds of a feather ...
Probably one of the worst leader Americans ever elected and the mastermind and founder of today's divisive politics.

The Wage and Price control regimen Nixon initiated in 1971.

http://www.econreview.com/events/images/inflation71.png



http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandom...ved-in-infamy/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock

The rest is history ... and it has been repeated continuously since. (Not that before 1971 was so great either). This is at the root all the economic apocalypse bullshit and not in convenient talking points ...


Quote:

"The value of the majority lies not in the opportunity to wield great power, but in the chance to use power to do great things" ... John Boehner
Politicians who talk the talk and don't do the walk are a big part of the problem (both sides of the aisle). If Congress would get off their ass (and off of the political contribution take) ... Don't hold your breath it has been this way forever ...

This is sourced from "Shadow Government Statistics" so some may claim bias ... But the truth may lie somewhere in the middle.
http://www.wtffinance.com/wp-content...old-vs-new.gif

amp, just roll with the punches but go ahead and vent -- it's amusing :P



tony286 07-09-2014 04:46 PM

we arent going bankrupt, just like inflation was going to go thru the roof. Still waiting on that one. FYI at one point Japan's debt was 200% gdp and they havent gone any where. This is all the fantasy, the faux patriots jack off to. Hoping for a revolution, economy will crash and we will be shooting at each other for food. From this they will be rise up and form the right gov.

theking 07-09-2014 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153362)
That doesn't invalidate the info contained. You are hung up on pointless shit, which is precisely what I'm talking about.

You may think you live in a police state...I live in the same country and I do not think that I live in a police state. About the only contact I have had with police are from a couple of traffic violations. I have always done pretty much what I choose to do and I still live the same as I have always lived. None of the freedoms that I have had in my lifetime have been affected.

Personally I think you are just trolling as I think you are smarter than the pig shit you have been posting.

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 20153371)
we arent going bankrupt, just like inflation was going to go thru the roof. Still waiting on that one. FYI at one point Japan's debt was 200% gdp and they havent gone any where. This is all the fantasy, the faux patriots jack off to. Hoping for a revolution, economy will crash and we will be shooting at each other for food. From this they will be rise up and form the right gov.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 20153379)
You may think you live in a police state...I live in the same country and I do not think that I live in a police state. About the only contact I have had with police are from a couple of traffic violations. I have always done pretty much what I choose to do and I still live the same as I have always lived. None of the freedoms that I have had in my lifetime have been affected.

Personally I think you are just trolling as I think you are smarter than the pig shit you have been posting.

Must be nice to be so completely oblivious to the rest of the world.
Enjoy your bubble.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2014 05:00 PM

Tony, I was a kid in high school in 1971. I lived through the Nixon shock and the devaluations followed by inflation, the economic stagnation, unemployment and inflation. It could happen again there is a generation with little memory of the stupidity that occurred.

Argentina is about to default again on their foreign held bonds. That in itself is not a harbinger of an ugly future but if Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece or an other more substantial country should default -- this may bring down the house of cards as we know it.

Remember, the USA housing value collapse set off the "Great Recession" around the world, a recession that many of us have not recovered from.

theking 07-09-2014 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153385)
Must be nice to be so completely oblivious to the rest of the world.
Enjoy your bubble.

I am pretty oblivious to the rest of the world. As an adult I have never been much of a humanist and I am really less so now. I pretty much only care about what affects me personally... and as I stated I have always done pretty much as I choose to do and still do. So my world has not changed much in my life time...may be yours has.

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 20153402)
I am pretty oblivious to the rest of the world.
I pretty much only care about what affects me personally.

A perfect slave.

theking 07-09-2014 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153417)
A perfect slave.

A slave to whom? I am retired and have been for a number of years. I have more money than I will ever use in my life time. I come and go as I choose...doing what ever I choose to do...whenever I choose to do it. Nope...not a slave.

Rochard 07-09-2014 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153362)
That doesn't invalidate the info contained. You are hung up on pointless shit, which is precisely what I'm talking about.

You have it backwards. I'm not hung up on pointless shit, but instead I just don't give a damn.

All of the crap you just cut and paste has zero fucking bearing on me. As I get older I notice what happens here in my hometown is one hundred times more important to me than what Congress does (or doesn't do). The garbage strike we had last year had the biggest impact of everything.

If you so strongly believe that our government has such problems, do something about it. Run for local government, and work your way up. Maybe in ten years you will be in a place to do something about it. But by that point you will be "one of them" and people will be saying the same exact things about you.

We've had all of these problems before. We had immigration issues for the past fifty years, and every time it's "Much worse" than it was before. Every election we are told "They are going to take our guns away from us". And every year the debit gets higher. Suddenly you wake up and you discover that nothing has really changed at all, we still have a problem with immigration after all of this time, the debt has gone up even more, no one has taken away our fire arms, and then it hits you like a rock - no one is there to pick up your fucking garbage because the city employees are on strike because they don't want to pay an extra five percent for their medical benefits. That's when it hits you - what happens in DC has no effect on you at all.

Benghazi? No effect on my life at all.
IRS scandal? No effect on my life at all.
Obamacare? Little effect on my life.
Immiagration? No effect on my life at all.
NSA spying? No effect on my life at all.

And by the way, yes, I did get a new phone - The Samsung S5. Just another phone at this point, although this weekend I'm ripping out my stereo and putting in a nice GPS unit.

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 20153441)
A slave to whom? I am retired and have been for a number of years. I have more money than I will ever use in my life time. I come and go as I choose...doing what ever I choose to do...whenever I choose to do it. Nope...not a slave.

Go to work, send your kids to school, follow fashion, act normal, walk on the pavement, watch tv, save for your old age, obey the law, repeat after me: I am free.

http://tecnogeek.com/images/notas11/Morpheus.jpg

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20153444)
I just don't give a damn.

That's how we got here.

fuzebox 07-09-2014 06:25 PM

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reason...supervillains/

Vendzilla 07-09-2014 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 20153371)
we arent going bankrupt, just like inflation was going to go thru the roof. Still waiting on that one. FYI at one point Japan's debt was 200% gdp and they havent gone any where. This is all the fantasy, the faux patriots jack off to. Hoping for a revolution, economy will crash and we will be shooting at each other for food. From this they will be rise up and form the right gov.

So what happened in Greece won't happen here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20153444)
You have it backwards. I'm not hung up on pointless shit, but instead I just don't give a damn.

All of the crap you just cut and paste has zero fucking bearing on me.

Then shut the fuck up and go some where else

BFT3K 07-09-2014 06:36 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s#t=5341

Atticus 07-09-2014 06:41 PM

Good God Republicans have become such raging nut jobs. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. You all are 'Libertarians' now. :1orglaugh

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 20153471)
Good God Republicans have become such raging nut jobs. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. You all are 'Libertarians' now. :1orglaugh

Is there something in that list that is incorrect?

crockett 07-09-2014 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153228)
?The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself? Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.?
?H.L. Mencken, American journalist

Truth #1: The US is on the brink of bankruptcy, as many economists have been warning for some time now, with more than $16 trillion in debts owned by foreign nationals and corporations. As one financial news site reports: ?Internationally, the world is fed up with The Fed and the US government?s unabashed debt growth. China, Russia, Iran, India and a host of other countries are establishing trade relationships that are bypassing the US dollar altogether, a move that will soon see the world?s reserve currency lose purchasing power and status. In anticipation of this imminent collapse gold is being hoarded by private and public entities from Berlin to Beijing in an effort to preserve wealth before the Tsunami hits.?

Truth #2: We no longer have a government that is ?of the people, for the people and by the people.? What we have now is a feudal monarchy, run by wealthy overlords and financed with the blood, sweat and labor of the underclasses who are kept in check by the increasingly militarized police. This sorry state of affairs is reinforced by a study which found that average citizens have ?little or no independent influence? on the policy-making process. A similar study published by the Political Research Quarterly revealed that members of the US Senate represent their wealthiest constituents while ignoring those on the bottom rung of the economic ladder.

Truth #3: Far from being a benevolent entity concerned with the well-being of its citizens, whether in matters of health, safety or security, the government is concerned with three things only: power, control and money. As an often quoted adage says, ?Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.? Unfortunately, the master-servant relationship that once had the government answering to ?we the people? has been reversed. Government agents now act as if they are the masters and we are the servants. Nowhere is this more evident than in the transformation of police officers from benevolent keepers of the peace to inflexible extensions of the military hyped up on the power of their badge.

Truth #4: Our primary use to the government is as consumers, worker bees and bits of data to be collected, catalogued, controlled, mined for information, and sold to the highest bidder. Working in cahoots with corporations, the government has given itself carte blanche access to our phone calls, emails, bank transactions, physical movements, even our travels on foot or in our cars. Cybersecurity expert Richard Clarke envisions a future where data about every aspect of our lives will be collected and analyzed. Thus, no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court might have said to the contrary, the government no longer needs a warrant to spy on your cell phone activity or anything else for that matter. As the Washington Post recently revealed, 9 out of 10 people caught up in the NSA?s surveillance net had done nothing wrong to justify such intrusions on their privacy. Clearly, the government now operates relatively autonomously, answering only to itself and unbridled by the courts, Congress, the will of the people or the Constitution.

Truth #5: Whatever problems we are grappling with in regards to illegal immigrants flooding over the borders has little to do with the fact that the borders are porous and everything to do with the government?s own questionable agenda. How is it that a government capable of locking down roads, open seas, and air routes is unable to prevent tens of thousands of women and children from crossing into the US illegally? Conveniently, the Obama administration is asking Congress for $3.8 billion in emergency funding to send more immigration judges to the southern border, build additional detention facilities and add border patrol agents. The funds would be managed by the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State and Health and Human Services, the very same agencies responsible for bringing about a rapid shift into a police state.

Truth #6: The US government is preparing for massive domestic unrest, arising most likely from an economic meltdown. The government has repeatedly made clear its intentions, through its US Army War College report alerting the military to prepare for a ?violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,? through its ongoing military drills in cities across the country, through its profiling of potential homegrown ?dissidents? or extremists, and through the proliferation of detention centers being built across the country.

Truth #7: As Gerald Ford warned, ?A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.? Too often, Americans have fallen prey to the temptation to let the government take care of whatever ails them, whether it be financial concerns, health needs, childcare. As a result, we now find ourselves caught in a Catch-22 situation wherein the government?s so-called solutions to our problems have led to even graver problems. In this way, zero tolerance policies intended to outlaw drugs and weapons in schools result in young children being arrested and kicked out of school for childish behavior such as drawing pictures of soldiers and crying too much; truancy laws intended to keep students in school have resulted in parents being arrested and fined excessively; and zoning laws intended to protect homeowners have been used to prosecute residents who attempt to live off the grid.

Truth #8: The US is following the Nazi blueprint to a ?t,? whether through its storm trooper-like police in the form of heavily armed government agents, to its erection of an electronic concentration camp that not only threatens to engulf America but the rest of the world as well via NSA surveillance programs such as Five Eyes. Most damning of all is the Department of Homeland Security?s self-appointed role as a national police force, a.k.a. standing army, the fundamental and final building block for every totalitarian regime that has ever wreaked havoc on humanity. Indeed, just about every nefarious deed, tactic or thuggish policy advanced by the government today can be traced back to the DHS, its police state mindset, and the billions of dollars it distributes to police agencies in the form of grants.

Truth #9: Not only does the US government perpetrate organized, systematic violence on its own citizens, especially those who challenge its authority nonviolently, in the form of SWAT team raids, militarized police, and roaming VIPR checkpoints, but it gets away with these clear violations of the Fourth Amendment because the courts grant them immunity from wrongdoing. Expanding its reach, the US also exports its violence wholesale to other countries through armaments sales and the use of its military as a global police force. Yet no matter how well trained, well equipped and well financed, America cannot police the world. As history shows, military empires, once over extended, inevitably collapse into chaos.

Truth #10: The United States of America has become the new battlefield. In fact, the only real war being fought by the US government today is the war on the American people, and it is being waged with deadly weapons, militarized police, surveillance technology, laws that criminalize otherwise lawful behavior, private prisons that operate on quota systems, and government officials who are no longer accountable to the rule of law.


This will not end well. But hey, you got a shiny new phone.

How does this all fit into your theory that bin Laden's death was a big hoax?

DraX 07-09-2014 06:46 PM

This is as close to a real business thread we come, you very nicely sums up how I see things.

The future does not look good and it makes me sad but im strong and will keep fighting for the things i believe.

Yes we have seen problems in the past as well but in todays modern world when growth and over consumtion are the most important things for a socities ongoing survival we are also more fragile than ever.

Yes most of us are slaves, this is not any different than the roman empire and the misuse of the power by the elite back then.

A family member asked me a few years ago why people dont wake up well I just said they are happy getting the latest smartphone or flatscreen or as long as problems don't hit them they will continue living in a dream world. But when those and other "important" necessities goes away people will also wake up and start thinking rational with a critical mindset. But by then it might be all too late.

So AMP do you have a solution to this problem?

Ohe of the real powers of consumer is the fact that we consume things, what would happen if people would consume less goods? It wouldn't take long before we would see a financial meltdown. That's our power in all of this! But where would it end?

Specific countries can be saved as we've seen in southern europe but what happens when a major economy is on the brink of bankruptcy like the U.S.?

Oh look a shiny coin!

Amputate Your Head 07-09-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20153477)
How does this all fit into your theory that bin Laden's death was a big hoax?

Did you manage to come up with any proof yet that "Obama got him!" :1orglaugh

_Richard_ 07-09-2014 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 20153471)
Good God Republicans have become such raging nut jobs. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. You all are 'Libertarians' now. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Atticus 07-09-2014 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153475)
Is there something in that list that is incorrect?

Yeah, all of it. It's the classic kook's hard on that the economy will collapse, people will riot in the street and Suburban Rambo's like yourself will save the day with their hoard of Spam and stockpile of weaponry.

Delusional kooks have been saying all of those things for decades. Just now they have an outlet for their crazy rants. "you're all just a bunch of sheep man' 'you can't trust anyone man' 'you're a slave man' blah blah blah.

But go ahead and continue to rub one out to your list their champ. Whatever keeps you off the street and away from kids.

crockett 07-09-2014 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 20153471)
Good God Republicans have become such raging nut jobs. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. You all are 'Libertarians' now. :1orglaugh

This more than anything is why I became a professional troll..

SilentKnight 07-09-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153228)
?The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself? Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.?
?H.L. Mencken, American journalist

Truth #1: The US is on the brink of bankruptcy, as many economists have been warning for some time now, with more than $16 trillion in debts owned by foreign nationals and corporations. As one financial news site reports: ?Internationally, the world is fed up with The Fed and the US government?s unabashed debt growth. China, Russia, Iran, India and a host of other countries are establishing trade relationships that are bypassing the US dollar altogether, a move that will soon see the world?s reserve currency lose purchasing power and status. In anticipation of this imminent collapse gold is being hoarded by private and public entities from Berlin to Beijing in an effort to preserve wealth before the Tsunami hits.?

Truth #2: We no longer have a government that is ?of the people, for the people and by the people.? What we have now is a feudal monarchy, run by wealthy overlords and financed with the blood, sweat and labor of the underclasses who are kept in check by the increasingly militarized police. This sorry state of affairs is reinforced by a study which found that average citizens have ?little or no independent influence? on the policy-making process. A similar study published by the Political Research Quarterly revealed that members of the US Senate represent their wealthiest constituents while ignoring those on the bottom rung of the economic ladder.

Truth #3: Far from being a benevolent entity concerned with the well-being of its citizens, whether in matters of health, safety or security, the government is concerned with three things only: power, control and money. As an often quoted adage says, ?Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.? Unfortunately, the master-servant relationship that once had the government answering to ?we the people? has been reversed. Government agents now act as if they are the masters and we are the servants. Nowhere is this more evident than in the transformation of police officers from benevolent keepers of the peace to inflexible extensions of the military hyped up on the power of their badge.

Truth #4: Our primary use to the government is as consumers, worker bees and bits of data to be collected, catalogued, controlled, mined for information, and sold to the highest bidder. Working in cahoots with corporations, the government has given itself carte blanche access to our phone calls, emails, bank transactions, physical movements, even our travels on foot or in our cars. Cybersecurity expert Richard Clarke envisions a future where data about every aspect of our lives will be collected and analyzed. Thus, no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court might have said to the contrary, the government no longer needs a warrant to spy on your cell phone activity or anything else for that matter. As the Washington Post recently revealed, 9 out of 10 people caught up in the NSA?s surveillance net had done nothing wrong to justify such intrusions on their privacy. Clearly, the government now operates relatively autonomously, answering only to itself and unbridled by the courts, Congress, the will of the people or the Constitution.

Truth #5: Whatever problems we are grappling with in regards to illegal immigrants flooding over the borders has little to do with the fact that the borders are porous and everything to do with the government?s own questionable agenda. How is it that a government capable of locking down roads, open seas, and air routes is unable to prevent tens of thousands of women and children from crossing into the US illegally? Conveniently, the Obama administration is asking Congress for $3.8 billion in emergency funding to send more immigration judges to the southern border, build additional detention facilities and add border patrol agents. The funds would be managed by the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State and Health and Human Services, the very same agencies responsible for bringing about a rapid shift into a police state.

Truth #6: The US government is preparing for massive domestic unrest, arising most likely from an economic meltdown. The government has repeatedly made clear its intentions, through its US Army War College report alerting the military to prepare for a ?violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,? through its ongoing military drills in cities across the country, through its profiling of potential homegrown ?dissidents? or extremists, and through the proliferation of detention centers being built across the country.

Truth #7: As Gerald Ford warned, ?A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.? Too often, Americans have fallen prey to the temptation to let the government take care of whatever ails them, whether it be financial concerns, health needs, childcare. As a result, we now find ourselves caught in a Catch-22 situation wherein the government?s so-called solutions to our problems have led to even graver problems. In this way, zero tolerance policies intended to outlaw drugs and weapons in schools result in young children being arrested and kicked out of school for childish behavior such as drawing pictures of soldiers and crying too much; truancy laws intended to keep students in school have resulted in parents being arrested and fined excessively; and zoning laws intended to protect homeowners have been used to prosecute residents who attempt to live off the grid.

Truth #8: The US is following the Nazi blueprint to a ?t,? whether through its storm trooper-like police in the form of heavily armed government agents, to its erection of an electronic concentration camp that not only threatens to engulf America but the rest of the world as well via NSA surveillance programs such as Five Eyes. Most damning of all is the Department of Homeland Security?s self-appointed role as a national police force, a.k.a. standing army, the fundamental and final building block for every totalitarian regime that has ever wreaked havoc on humanity. Indeed, just about every nefarious deed, tactic or thuggish policy advanced by the government today can be traced back to the DHS, its police state mindset, and the billions of dollars it distributes to police agencies in the form of grants.

Truth #9: Not only does the US government perpetrate organized, systematic violence on its own citizens, especially those who challenge its authority nonviolently, in the form of SWAT team raids, militarized police, and roaming VIPR checkpoints, but it gets away with these clear violations of the Fourth Amendment because the courts grant them immunity from wrongdoing. Expanding its reach, the US also exports its violence wholesale to other countries through armaments sales and the use of its military as a global police force. Yet no matter how well trained, well equipped and well financed, America cannot police the world. As history shows, military empires, once over extended, inevitably collapse into chaos.

Truth #10: The United States of America has become the new battlefield. In fact, the only real war being fought by the US government today is the war on the American people, and it is being waged with deadly weapons, militarized police, surveillance technology, laws that criminalize otherwise lawful behavior, private prisons that operate on quota systems, and government officials who are no longer accountable to the rule of law.


This will not end well. But hey, you got a shiny new phone.

Good read - and I can't help but agree with much of it.

Makes you wanna fortify a bunker in the countryside, stock it with a good supply of provisions...and make preparations to hunker down at a moment's notice.

I've long thought that the system is spiraling out of control - and will inevitably implode on itself - perhaps in my lifetime. I genuinely worry about what sort of world my kids will be forced to endure.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2014 07:05 PM

Benghazi? No effect on my life at all.
IRS scandal? No effect on my life at all.
Obamacare? Post tax deduction my premiums are up $300.00 a year -- big deal
Immigration? No effect on my life at all -- other than $20.00 a year of my tax money that is what the $3 billion increased funding requested the other day will maybe cost ... big deal
NSA spying? No effect on my life at all with the exception: that the legitimate national security interests do not include snooping on me, if in fact that is what is really going on, in the random intelligence gathering in violation of constitutional rights -- it's a fine line ...

I am dreading travelling in Europe this year because of all of the added security they are talking about -- it is an irritating pain-in-the-ass as is -- now only worse ... However, there is reason for caution right now. With all the hassle, since 9/11 there has not been another airplane terrorist attack so I suppose I would prefer the security checks to everyone bring a baseball bat on board :1orglaugh

For most of us -- we are not "Pollyanna (look it up: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=Pollyanna)" in our outlooks but realists ...

MiamiBoyz 07-09-2014 07:07 PM

We are in despite need of a global pandemic as that is the only thing that will wake people up from the bubble they live in with the shiny "smart" phone they stare at 24/7.

Personally I can't wait for the first few million to go and watch the numbers just keep on climbing...higher and higher and higher.

bronco67 07-09-2014 07:20 PM

Is this your own Pulitzer prize winning thoughts, or cut and pasted from some "freedom" rag?

Paul 07-09-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153339)
Yes, exactly. Most people are walking around in a self-induced fog, oblivious to what's happening around them. As long as they've got a shiny phone, or a new episode of 'Modern Family' to zone out on.... nothing else matters. I mention these things to people, and they look at me like a dog does when you try explaining algebra.

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve"

Fuck em! :2 cents:

The only people who know what is going to happen are those in charge, everyone else is just speculating. Perhaps all the cards will come falling down in the next year or two or perhaps we'll have another 20 or 30 years of boom & bust economic cycles. The UK for example are having another housing boom as are many other countries.

AMP See if you can get yourself a torrent for this BBC show - This World - How China Fooled The World with Robert Peston

Here it is

Very interesting show, here are some of the cliff notes

Quote:

China will have replicated the entire US commercial banking sector in the span of half a decade.

China's boom is ending, it's probably around 2004 - 2005 in comparison to our 2007/08 crash

A debt explosion that dwarfs what we've experienced in the West

Most of the money for China's growth since 2007/08 was borrowed from banks which was the start of their credit orgy.

Shadowing banking system emerged and took over what the state owned banks where lending,

Off balance sheet entities where able to go to the banks, borrow copiousus amounts of money so that they built themselves up into enormous borrowing entities which is all very similar to our own off balance sheet vehicles

So lending isn't happening through the local state owned banks and the Chinese government has lost control of lending, the problem is a huge porportion of China's debts are hidden

In some Chinese cities house prices are still rising up to 20% per year and their housing bubble is just as bad if not worse than our own in the west.

So the rich are buying the high priced homes and keeping them empty as investments, massive oversupply of property and estimates are around 15% of all Chinese property are empty

Whole thing boils down to corruption and why the government have been unable to stop it, the building boom has made 1000s of local officials very rich, so they allow project after project, local officials oppriate the land and then sell it on to local developers and big backhanders are involved.

In 2008 the chinese banking sector was $10 trillion in size now (2014) it's around $24 - $25 trillion that increase is equivalent to the size of the entire US commercial banking sector which took more than a 100 years to build so that will mean China will have replicated the entire US system inside half a decade.

China's total indebtedness is around twice it's GDP up from 125% just 5 years ago, there is no example in history of that level of debt explosion now leading to a collapse

China has a massive challenge trying to transform into a consumer lead economy due to their history of poverty and a lack of a welfare state, due to this the average Chinese citizen saves around 1/3rd of their income compared to 1/20th in the west.

In 2014 credit growth is still twice as fast as GDP growth, mathematically there is no way to grow out of this problem when credit is twice the size of the economy and growing twice as fast.

George Magnus, Former Chief Economist, UBS Bank

"I don't think anyone really knows how much longer this credit genie can stay outside the bottle, my own view is that China in 2014 is maybe where the west was in 2005 - 2006, it's not an imminent danger of a financial implosion but it's drawing nearer all the time"
Perhaps the plan was for China to borrow their way out of recession to avoid a global depression worse than the 1930s which would allow the Western economies time to recover before China goes into a serious recession.

Or maybe we all go down together!

"May you live in interesting times!" :pimp

Rochard 07-09-2014 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 20153500)
Yeah, all of it. It's the classic kook's hard on that the economy will collapse, people will riot in the street and Suburban Rambo's like yourself will save the day with their hoard of Spam and stockpile of weaponry.

Delusional kooks have been saying all of those things for decades. Just now they have an outlet for their crazy rants. "you're all just a bunch of sheep man' 'you can't trust anyone man' 'you're a slave man' blah blah blah.

But go ahead and continue to rub one out to your list their champ. Whatever keeps you off the street and away from kids.

The economy did collapse. Oddly enough, no one rioted. Even when Obama took office and they were telling us he was going to take our guns away, nothing happened.

I am so disappointed.

Jim_Gunn 07-09-2014 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz (Post 20153512)
We are in despite need of a global pandemic as that is the only thing that will wake people up from the bubble they live in with the shiny "smart" phone they stare at 24/7.

Personally I can't wait for the first few million to go and watch the numbers just keep on climbing...higher and higher and higher.

Are you, your family & loved ones going to somehow be immune from this magical pandemic that you are wishing on the world? Or are you just crazy enough that you are willing to take your random chances at dying in agony yourself just for the sake of watching the world burn?

Captain Kawaii 07-09-2014 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20153339)
Yes, exactly. Most people are walking around in a self-induced fog, oblivious to what's happening around them. As long as they've got a shiny phone, or a new episode of 'Modern Family' to zone out on.... nothing else matters. I mention these things to people, and they look at me like a dog does when you try explaining algebra.

Big pharma is the government's friend. be careful...some may report you.
BTW, I agree with your post 100%. Pretty much my experience in the US.

Captain Kawaii 07-09-2014 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20153566)
The economy did collapse. Oddly enough, no one rioted. Even when Obama took office and they were telling us he was going to take our guns away, nothing happened.

I am so disappointed.

Some, and a growing number of economists are saying part 2 is coming.


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