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california 10-27-2014 11:33 AM

IMPORTANT - Open letter to the affiliate tracking software people and sponsors
 
You know who you are..


Free Webmastering 101 tutorial for you:

Do not, I repeat DO NOT, under any circumstances, use the string 'track' in your URL's. EVER.

If somebody puts a gun to your head and says "add 'track' to this URL" just look them square in th eeye and say "NO. I'm not an amateur hobbyist"

*track*

*banner*

*ads*

etc..

are among the top strings blocked by most adblocks on the planet, especially via the hosts file

YOU ARE BLACKHOLING WEBMASTERS' AND YOUR OWN TRAFFIC!!!

As for your inhouse traffic, do whatever you want with it but I'm tired of sending my traffic into a blackhole so please do something about it. Thank you

california 10-27-2014 05:09 PM

BUMP. This is serious

Vendzilla 10-27-2014 05:22 PM

What tracking software uses that?

DVTimes 10-27-2014 05:31 PM

bump.................

california 10-27-2014 05:37 PM

NATS, Crakrevenue, probably more of them.

Guys, check your links for fucks sake

javbucks 10-28-2014 02:45 AM

yep, by default NATS setting up their urls with "track" or "strack".

have you tried to let them know about it? may be in future updates they can change that, but what to do with dosens of old links?

georgeyw 10-28-2014 04:29 AM

Use your own redirect links.....

Barry-xlovecam 10-28-2014 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 20269120)
Use your own redirect links.....

^^THIS
A bigger problem is that entire domains used for affiliate tools are blocked.
So, even if you fix one problem a new problem will arise.
Affiliates are best off to use dynamic redirect linking schemas so if a problem arises for them they can change their link structures quickly.

trevesty 10-28-2014 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20269141)
^^THIS
A bigger problem is that entire domains used for affiliate tools are blocked.
So, even if you fix one problem a new problem will arise.
Affiliates are best off to use dynamic redirect linking schemas so if a problem arises for them they can change their link structures quickly.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

california 10-28-2014 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javbucks (Post 20269045)
yep, by default NATS setting up their urls with "track" or "strack".

have you tried to let them know about it? may be in future updates they can change that, but what to do with dosens of old links?

For the record - no, I haven't contacted NATS about it. For all I know they are good and competent guys who would fix this immediately.

The reason why I didn't is because I've tried contacting namy other companies about similar problems in the past and it seems nobody ever gives a fuck or I can't get past the support monkeys who have no idea what I'm talking about etc etc.

I'm done wasting my time and begging to be heard. Call me an asshole that goes straight to the boards if you want. I don't care.

california 10-28-2014 07:33 AM

For those that don't know how adblocks work - they block connections to addresses that contain cetrain strings.

What strings?

Check out this list to get an idea.

Why are they so popular and effective?

BEcause webmasters in 2014 still use names like ads, banner etc for their folder and file names lol.

Check this out:

/ad/banner.
/ad/banner/*
/ad/banner?
/ad/banner_
/ad/bannerdetails/*
/ad/bannerimg/*
/ad/banners/*
/ad/behavpixel.
/ad/bin/*
/ad/blank.
/ad/blog_
/ad/bottom.
/ad/card-
/ad/common/*
/ad/common_
/ad/content/*
/ad/cpmstar/*
/ad/css/*
/ad/directcall/*
/ad/empty.
/ad/extra/*
/ad/extra_
/ad/files/*
/ad/frame1.
/ad/framed?
/ad/generate?
/ad/getban?
/ad/getbanandfile?
/ad/google/*
/ad/google_
/ad/html/*
/ad/iframe.
/ad/iframe/*
/ad/image/*
/ad/img/*
/ad/index.
/ad/index/*
/ad/inline?
/ad/integral-
/ad/jsonp/*
/ad/leaderboard.
/ad/live-
/ad/load_

/banner-ad-
/banner-ad/*
/banner-ad_
/banner-ads/*
/banner.asp?$third-party
/banner.ca?
/banner.cgi?
/banner.gif?
/banner.htm?
/banner.php
/banner.ws?
/banner/468
/banner/700
/banner/ad.
/banner/ad/*
/banner/ad_
/banner/adv_
/banner/affiliate/*
/banner/rtads/*
/banner/sponsor_
/banner/virtuagirl
/banner160x600-
/banner20468x60.
/banner460x80.
/banner468.
/banner468_
/banner468a.
/banner468x60.
/banner468x80.
/banner728x90_
/banner_125x
/banner_468.

etc.

Yes, people still use these strings :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

All blocked. Same goes for URL's. I run an adblock that simply drops everything *banner* *ads* etc and I haven't seen a banner in years.

This is ABSOLUTELY BASIC STUFF.

There is no excuse for using these strings for anything that the surfer has access to.

california 10-28-2014 07:37 AM

Couple more :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

/track-referrals.js
/track.ads/*
/track.ashx?*=http
/Track.aspx/*
/track.aspx?
/track.cgi?
/track.gif?
/track.js?referrer
/track.js?screen=
/track.php?*&uid=
/track/*&CheckCookieId=
/track/*?rnd=0.$image
/track/?site
/track/aggregate?
/track/count*js
/track/dot.gif?
/track/imp?
/track/jsinfo
/track/mygreendot/*
/track/pix.asp?
/track/pixel.
/track/site/*
/track/track.php?
/track/view/*
/track/visitors/?
/track/visits/?
/track2.php
/track;adv
/track?event=
/track_clicks_
/track_event.php?
/track_metric/*
/track_pageview?
/track_social.
/track_visit?
/trackad.
/trackAdHit.
/TrackClick.
/trackContentViews.
/tracker-r1.js
/tracker.js.php?
/tracker.log?
/tracker.php?
/tracker.pl?
/tracker.tsp?
/tracker/event?
/tracker/imp?
/tracker/log?
/tracker/p.gif?
/tracker/ping/*
/tracker/referrer/*
/tracker/story.jpg?
/tracker/t.php?
/tracker2.js
/tracker?*=
/tracker_activityStream.
/tracker_article
/tracker_gif.
/tracker_pageview.
/tracker_pixel.
/TrackerAS3.
/trackerGif?
/TrackerHandler.
/trackerpixel.js
/trackerstatistik.
/trackEvent.js?
/trackImpression/*
/trackimps?
/tracking-hits.
/tracking-info.gif?
/tracking-init.
/tracking-pixel.
/tracking-pixel/*
/tracking.ashx?
/tracking.cgi?
/tracking.fcgi?
/tracking.gif?
/tracking.jsp
/tracking.php?id
/tracking.phtml?
/tracking.vidt
/tracking/*/agof-
/tracking/addview/*
/tracking/beacon/?
/tracking/clicks
/tracking/epixels.
/tracking/index.
/tracking/pixel.
/tracking/pixel/*
/tracking/pixel_
/tracking/pixels.
/tracking/tag_commander.php?
/tracking/track.jsp?
/tracking/tynt_
/tracking/views/*
/tracking/widget/*
/tracking202/*
/Tracking?id=
/tracking_ajax.
/tracking_cookie_baker.
/tracking_frame_
/tracking_headerJS_
/tracking_id_
/tracking_iframe.
/tracking_link_cookie.
/tracking_pix.
/tracking_pixel
/TrackingCookieCheck.
/trackingcookies.
/TrackingData.
/trackingfilter.json?
/trackingFooter.
/TrackingHandler.
/trackingp.gif
/trackingPixel.
/TrackingPixel/*
/trackingpixels/get?referrer=
/trackings/addview/*
/trackingScript1.
/trackingScript2.
/TrackingService.js
/trackIt.js
/trackit.php?
/trackit.pl?
/trackjs.
/trackjs1.
/trackjs6.
/trackjs_
/trackmerchant.js
/tracknat.
/trackopen.cgi?
/trackpageview.
/trackPageView/*
/trackpidv3.
/trackpix.
/trackpixel.
/trackr.swf
/trackstats?
/tracksubprop.
/TrackView/?track
/trackVisit/*
/trackvisit?
/TrackVisitors/*

Klen 10-28-2014 07:43 AM

Yes i noticed same problem,but they just dont care.You can improvise by using your own/url creative,but problem is many time sponsors have unique promo tools which you cant replicate and you have to use link.Unless sponsor have api,then you can.

pornguy 10-28-2014 07:44 AM

How about the links that CCBill and systems like that use.

For instance.

Whats the likely hood of the words/abbreviations

Clicks
CA
PA
BAN
or
HTML
being blocked?

this is what a URL would look like from CCbill.
(://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=904803-0000&PA=affidhere&BAN=0&HTML=http://percyprincess.com/tour/)

california 10-28-2014 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20269314)
Yes i noticed same problem,but they just dont care.You can improvise by using your own/url creative,but problem is many time sponsors have unique promo tools which you cant replicate and you have to use link.Unless sponsor have api,then you can.

Exactly.

What can you do as an affiliate when your sponsor's linkcode is something like this?

hxxp://www.xxxxxxxxxx.com/track/N726BBVhj2

Many sponsors use these for their own internal tracking as well.

We are all using traffic.

Sitting ducks

california 10-28-2014 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20269318)
How about the links that CCBill and systems like that use.

For instance.

Whats the likely hood of the words/abbreviations

Clicks
CA
PA
BAN
or
HTML
being blocked?

this is what a URL would look like from CCbill.
(://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=904803-0000&PA=affidhere&BAN=0&HTML=http://percyprincess.com/tour/)

https://easylist.adblockplus.org/en/

Take a look at the lists and see what you can find.

*clicks* while not the most fortunate string, doesn't seem extremely risky

california 10-28-2014 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by california (Post 20269324)
Exactly.

We are all using traffic.

Should be: We are all *losing traffic.

pornguy 10-28-2014 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by california (Post 20269331)
https://easylist.adblockplus.org/en/

Take a look at the lists and see what you can find.

*clicks* while not the most fortunate string, doesn't seem extremely risky

Yeah I looked them over and I dont see anything major. Parts here and there but nothing specific.

Just wondering if the domain for ccbill segpay and other processors is blocked.

Focus 10-28-2014 08:51 AM

Thanks for the info m8

dready 10-28-2014 09:11 AM

Adblock traffic is essentially worthless. Unless you really know what you're doing, avoiding the blocks is a waste of resources.

california 10-28-2014 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dready (Post 20269433)
Adblock traffic is essentially worthless. Unless you really know what you're doing, avoiding the blocks is a waste of resources.

I'm not talking about detecting surfers running adblocks and redirecting them somewhere etc.

I'm talking about surfers that are unable to even reach your website in the first place.

LOL fuck this.. This is hopeless

Paul&John 10-28-2014 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by california (Post 20269299)

Check out this list to get an idea.

fuck me that list is quite long :D

Bladewire 10-28-2014 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 20270060)
fuck me that list is quite long :D

and on that list I see:

Code:

href^="http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?"

href*="refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?"

:Oh crap

pornmasta 10-28-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20268739)
What tracking software uses that?

i see that on some nats program

michael.kickass 10-28-2014 04:56 PM

anybody knows wtf means???
Code:

^$third-party

xxxjay 10-28-2014 05:06 PM

That is why we wrote our own tracking software (one of the reasons anyways)... check out how smooth these links are:

http://gfmate.com?rf=MTAwOjEzMQ

The Porn Nerd 10-28-2014 06:02 PM

THIS explains why sales are down!
Good to know - hard to do anything about but thanks, I guess.

georgeyw 10-28-2014 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20269141)
^^THIS
A bigger problem is that entire domains used for affiliate tools are blocked.
So, even if you fix one problem a new problem will arise.
Affiliates are best off to use dynamic redirect linking schemas so if a problem arises for them they can change their link structures quickly.

Exactly, sponsor closes/whatever else, it is as easy as changing one link to redirect the traffic.

Easy to change structure of urls if need be / change the url used if setup correctly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20270218)
THIS explains why sales are down!
Good to know - hard to do anything about but thanks, I guess.

Not really, you could do the same for your own links.

Barry-xlovecam 10-28-2014 08:42 PM

Mobile tracking by your ISP -- connecting via LTE/4G/3G, and not over WiFi. (If re-checking, make sure to refresh the page, or wait a few minutes to test again).

http://lessonslearned.org/sniff

As long as tracking of browsing history exists, adblockers will exist.

http://www.techspot.com/news/58599-v...rs-online.html

Verizon Wireless Injecting Unique Identifiers Track Subscribers Online

AmeliaG 10-28-2014 11:53 PM

Interesting thread. Thanks for starting it :thumbsup

MrGusMuller 10-29-2014 03:11 AM

bump! :)

Captain Kawaii 10-29-2014 03:27 AM

Thanks to the, OP! :thumbsup

The Porn Nerd 10-29-2014 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 20270281)

Not really, you could do the same for your own links.

Being CCBill it's not that easy. I doubt CCBill will change its' link/tracking structure for little ol' me. :)

Sure, i could move to NATS and do some custom coding but what percentages of lost traffic are we talking about here? Seems like a cat-and-mouse game to me.

pornguy 10-29-2014 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20270647)
Being CCBill it's not that easy. I doubt CCBill will change its' link/tracking structure for little ol' me. :)

Sure, i could move to NATS and do some custom coding but what percentages of lost traffic are we talking about here? Seems like a cat-and-mouse game to me.

Im sending this to my ccbill rep so they can push it to the techs. Maybe something will happen.

czarina 10-29-2014 08:03 AM

what percentage of surfers actually use ad blockers? Anyone knows?

Barry-xlovecam 10-29-2014 09:10 AM

http://www.truebridge.com/blog/2014/...ity-marketing/

How Adblock Plus is Driving Creativity in Marketing

Maybe, some out of the box thinking is called for ...

The Porn Nerd 10-29-2014 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20270677)
Im sending this to my ccbill rep so they can push it to the techs. Maybe something will happen.

Great move, let's see if they do anything about this. :) Keep us/me posted.

Captain Kawaii 10-29-2014 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20270767)
http://www.truebridge.com/blog/2014/...ity-marketing/

How Adblock Plus is Driving Creativity in Marketing

Maybe, some out of the box thinking is called for ...

Thanks for sharing that. Good ol' Boston company. Great read and lucky for us we are in the process of making those changes. I guess its no wonder after reading about ad block plus 300+ million downloads that our best sales come from sites we can direct link to or have our aff code integrated into the link so there are no apparent tracking ques.

DWB 10-29-2014 11:41 AM

>>>> http://yourls.org

You're welcome.

czarina 10-29-2014 11:45 AM

To answer my own question. Here are stats of how many people use ad blockers, at least in Firefox. Staggering number!

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...tics/?last=365


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