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Barry-xlovecam 07-31-2015 08:05 AM

UK -- Cameron threatens to shut down free porn
 
Free porn websites could be shut down within months, says David Cameron - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent

Read the article ...

Quote:

[D]avid Cameron could force porn websites to shut down if they don?t put restrictions in place to stop under 18s viewing adult videos.

The industry will be given the chance to install age verification controls of its own, to ensure that children can?t see porn. But if they fail to, sites could be turned off entirely, the Government has said.

?I want to see age restrictions put into place or these websites will face being shut down,? Cameron said in a statement.
By what mechanism of law or regulation IDK ...

MaDalton 07-31-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20538234)

people always say it can't be done - look at Germany: no free porn on .de

the same can be done for .co.uk

and the same will happen as in Germany - people will go to other TLDs - unless they are not internet savvy enough - then they will jump over the hurdles of age verification

Scott McD 07-31-2015 08:20 AM

He should be shutting that fucking Euro tunnel down before he does anything...

Milfer 07-31-2015 08:39 AM

He seems to have something personal with porn, doesn't he have better things to do?

The Porn Nerd 07-31-2015 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538248)
people always say it can't be done - look at Germany: no free porn on .de

the same can be done for .co.uk

and the same will happen as in Germany - people will go to other TLDs - unless they are not internet savvy enough - then they will jump over the hurdles of age verification

So has this policy improved revenue for adult companies in Germany or has there be no affect?

I would think restrictions are a good thing. Make people PAY to see porn. That's the idea, isn't it?

aka123 07-31-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20538279)
So has this policy improved revenue for adult companies in Germany or has there be no affect?

I would think restrictions are a good thing. Make people PAY to see porn. That's the idea, isn't it?

Age verification doesn't need any payment.

With porn being behind some wall (figuratively), I think that "regular" channels to get porn will get bypassed even more; including your paysite.

MaDalton 07-31-2015 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20538279)
So has this policy improved revenue for adult companies in Germany or has there be no affect?

I would think restrictions are a good thing. Make people PAY to see porn. That's the idea, isn't it?

it's a stupid move when people can just go to any .com or whatever instead

but there are german companies that live very well with it

the question would be: how to implement this on a world wide basis?

It could be implemented by Visa/Mastercard (and all alternative billing methods) and if you want to use them, you are also responsible when someone sends you traffic from sites with free porn - so there would be no way for them to monetize their traffic anymore and they die out

aka123 07-31-2015 09:28 AM

Unless they ban presenting women in photos; new promoting model will be porn with big stars on critical places or clothed models; what many "porn sites" essentially are content wise.

If porn without age verification is banned it is not about free porn; it is about showing porn without age verification. There is difference.

I could for example establish closed network with zillions of sites (not all mine); visitors just establish username and password and go through age verification and there you have. It could be even duplicate from current porn offering, but just under age verification. It would of course cost to belong into this network; I mean it would cost for the webmasters/ paysites.

Biggest tubes, etc. would probably form this kind of networks anyways. So, tubes wouldn't die and neither their business model, it would contradictory grow even stronger. LOL. :)

Phoenix 07-31-2015 09:38 AM

done universally it would be great for the industry

MaDalton 07-31-2015 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538344)
Unless they ban presenting women in photos; new promoting model will be porn with big stars on critical places or clothed models; what many "porn sites" essentially are content wise.

If porn without age verification is banned it is not about free porn; it is about showing porn without age verification. There is difference.

I could for example establish closed network with zillions of sites (not all mine); visitors just establish username and password and go through age verification and there you have. It could be even duplicate from current porn offering, but just under age verification. It would of course cost to belong into this network; I mean it would cost for the webmasters/ paysites.

Biggest tubes, etc. would probably form this kind of networks anyways. So, tubes wouldn't die and neither their business model, it would contradictory grow even stronger. LOL. :)

we had this in Germany 10 years ago already

ClaireMonroe 07-31-2015 10:15 AM

Given his current cabinet, I'm surprised porn isn't banned completely.

DVTimes 07-31-2015 10:36 AM

it sure sucks

Barry-xlovecam 07-31-2015 11:33 AM

So far it is a lot of hot air. When it comes to the ccTLDS the country can regulate its own domain registrations and the root server resolutions.

Where it gets sticky are in the gTLDs and other country ccTLDs.

Cyber Fucker 07-31-2015 11:47 AM

The dude is out of his mind, he has no idea about technical aspects of anything and he is not taking care of real problems that his country is facing now but he seeks problems there were there is no problems. I can't believe people elected his party again to rule.

Anyway what is he thinking even by claiming he is going to shut down websites ? What about websites that are hosted in other countries? What does he mean by shutting them down? DNS block or what?

Cyber Fucker 07-31-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 20538252)
He should be shutting that fucking Euro tunnel down before he does anything...

No shit, I can't believe this is even happening. In normal country army would be send already to enforce the order and here wtf. And he is moaning about cutting legal emigration from UE where people come to legally and honestly work while now 1000s of illegal Africans are pounding the border without passport, documents, legal basis or anything.... this is insane.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...0/calais-2.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...s-migrants.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...-calais-18.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin.../calais-19.jpg

Slappin Fish 07-31-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538371)
we had this in Germany 10 years ago already

About 8 years ago I received a letter all in German. Couldn't understand a single word apart from the .de name I owned. Sent them back 2257 records thinking I was in the clear. Few months later I was fined 8000 something Euros :upsidedow

ruff 07-31-2015 12:24 PM

This kind of crap is just politics. Cameron is just playing up to his base. He could care less about enforcement. This kind of thing generates good sound bytes and keeps him looking good to the old ladies.

MaDalton 07-31-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20538489)
About 8 years ago I received a letter all in German. Couldn't understand a single word apart from the .de name I owned. Sent them back 2257 records thinking I was in the clear. Few months later I was fined 8000 something Euros :upsidedow

should have asked a german ;)

but you cannot own a .de without address in Germany - there was the problem probably

you cannot even redirect let's say freeones.de to freeones.com

but this is why all .de are totally clear of free hardcore porn - it's a felony offering it without age verification and your address in the WHOIS has to be german - which makes you easily traceable

JuicyBunny 07-31-2015 01:00 PM

Best thing that could happen for non-pirates.

Paul&John 07-31-2015 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20538489)
About 8 years ago I received a letter all in German. Couldn't understand a single word apart from the .de name I owned. Sent them back 2257 records thinking I was in the clear. Few months later I was fined 8000 something Euros :upsidedow

wtf did you paid or?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 20538252)
He should be shutting that fucking Euro tunnel down before he does anything...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

LouiseLloyd 07-31-2015 01:25 PM

First population control now porn control.

Sounds like a ticking time bomb.

aka123 07-31-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 20538521)
Best thing that could happen for non-pirates.

Yes, just like prohibition of alcohol did stop criminals. Sure dude, sure. :)

MaDalton 07-31-2015 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538557)
Yes, just like prohibition of alcohol did stop criminals. Sure dude, sure. :)

getting rid of 80% of the free porn and putting the rest in dark corners where the average wanker cant find it would be more than enough

LeRoy 07-31-2015 01:43 PM

Hopefully this happens but not likely.

aka123 07-31-2015 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538560)
getting rid of 80% of the free porn and putting the rest in dark corners where the average wanker cant find it would be more than enough

Not going to happen. The only thing that will happen is that instead of freebie sets and videos there will be full sets and videos.

Tubes got already mentioned and otherwise; already in the times of porn magazines those were circulated amongst people. With today's social media and sharing, sharing porn will be massive if porn is otherwise behind age verification.

How did I get my first computer games? From friends of course. Well, at that time those were from my father's friends actually, but anyways. Later on from my friends too. How did I get Doom? From a disk from a friend.

JuicyBunny 07-31-2015 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538560)
getting rid of 80% of the free porn and putting the rest in dark corners where the average wanker cant find it would be more than enough

Great minds think alike :thumbsup

JuicyBunny 07-31-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538565)
Not going to happen. The only thing that will happen is that instead of freebie sets and videos there will be full sets and videos.

Tubes got already mentioned and otherwise; already in the times of porn magazines those were circulated amongst people. With today's social media and sharing, sharing porn will be massive if porn is otherwise behind age verification.

How did I get my first computer games? From friends of course. Well, at that time those were from my father's friends actually, but anyways.

Sorry man, but you are clueless.

aka123 07-31-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 20538568)
Sorry man, but you are clueless.

I don't think so, but maybe it is just me being clueless. But please, tell me why I am wrong?

MaDalton 07-31-2015 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538565)
Not going to happen. The only thing that will happen is that instead of freebie sets and videos there will be full sets and videos.

Tubes got already mentioned and otherwise; already in the times of porn magazines those were circulated amongst people. With today's social media and sharing, sharing porn will be massive if porn is otherwise behind age verification.

How did I get my first computer games? From friends of course. Well, at that time those were from my father's friends actually, but anyways. Later on from my friends too. How did I get Doom? From a disk from a friend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 20538568)
Sorry man, but you are clueless.

i can post for the 10,000th time that it IS already done right now and still people post "it cannot be done"

sometimes I feel like i am trying to teach algebra to turtles

clickity click 07-31-2015 01:54 PM

This could be really bad. It's bad enough already, I can't even access sites like gfy.com when I am using someone else's mobile that hasn't verified their age.

aka123 07-31-2015 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538573)
i can post for the 10,000th time that it IS already done right now and still people post "it cannot be done"

sometimes I feel like i am trying to teach algebra to turtles

So what cannot be done? I know that you mentioned about the German age verification system and I am not denying it, but it seems that there is still quite a lot of free porn. Probably in the possession/ available to Germans too?

I am not saying that some age verification law/ system can't be done. That is not at all what I am saying. Of course that can be done. I commented about free porn (within the law) and the circumventing the law (in the grey area/ outside the law).

MaDalton 07-31-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538587)
So what cannot be done? I know that you mentioned about the German age verification system and I am not denying it, but it seems that there is still quite a lot of free porn. Probably in the possession/ available to Germans too?

I am not saying that some age verification law/ system can't be done. That is not at all what I am saying. Of course that can be done. I commented about free porn (within the law) and the circumventing the law (in the grey area/ outside the law).

ok - for the 10,001th time: the problem is when only one country does it

if everyone would use age verification for his sites - and the user had to pay a fee to get verified - the porn isn't free anymore already - and the site owner get commissions when the user signs up through their site

this does exist already, that is not a new idea

Control2000, das jugendschutzskonforme Age - Verifikation System - Jugendschutzsystem (AVS) in Deutschland seit 2001
ueber18.de

(just 2 examples that still exist)

if it was a felony showing porn without age verification it would force site owners to use it.

already at that point money is made

aka123 07-31-2015 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538604)
ok - for the 10,001th time: the problem is when only one country does it

if everyone would use age verification for his sites - and the user had to pay a fee to get verified - the porn isn't free anymore already - and the site owner get commissions when the user signs up through their site

this does exist already, that is not a new idea

Control2000, das jugendschutzskonforme Age - Verifikation System - Jugendschutzsystem (AVS) in Deutschland seit 2001
ueber18.de

(just 2 examples that still exist)

if it was a felony showing porn without age verification it would force site owners to use it.

already at that point money is made

Okay, why the user would have to pay a fee to get his/her age verified? Isn't collecting that totally up to the website? I already verify my identity time to time and totally free (well, not all in all, but verification doesn't cost anything extra).

ruff 07-31-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20538516)
should have asked a german ;)

but you cannot own a .de without address in Germany - there was the problem probably

you cannot even redirect let's say freeones.de to freeones.com

but this is why all .de are totally clear of free hardcore porn - it's a felony offering it without age verification and your address in the WHOIS has to be german - which makes you easily traceable

The .us extension will not let us hide Whois information either. How does Germany police the .com and other extensions?

MaDalton 07-31-2015 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff (Post 20538713)
The .us extension will not let us hide Whois information either. How does Germany police the .com and other extensions?

not at all - that is the logical error here

MaDalton 07-31-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20538605)
Okay, why the user would have to pay a fee to get his/her age verified? Isn't collecting that totally up to the website? I already verify my identity time to time and totally free (well, not all in all, but verification doesn't cost anything extra).

i am starting to think you don't want to understand me - i give up

clickity click 07-31-2015 05:27 PM

Everyone should move to a decentralized internet that can't be shut down. Something like the deepweb but easier to access.
The technology should be there to move away from big corporations controlling the internet.

mikesouth 07-31-2015 05:48 PM

so it starts with .de then moves to .co.uk then wherever and eventually to .com

It has to start someplace but I for one am all for it if for no other reason than it will be death to tubesites and their lock on SERPs

personally I dont WANT a surfer that doesnt have a credit card on my paysites, all he does is cost me money.

If written correctly I would fully support age verification in the US I have been approached about this by one of my US congressmen, I suspect its a while coming but it IS coming.

AdultKing 07-31-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20538774)
It has to start someplace but I for one am all for it if for no other reason than it will be death to tubesites and their lock on SERPs

Not necessarily. It's technically possible to let Googlebot index all of your content, even if it's behind a paywall/protected entry.

marlboroack 07-31-2015 07:06 PM

I really don't know how we are still in business anymore


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