Why Trump lost in Iowa...
 

...according to exit polling:

"As predicted, Trump performed best among voters with a high-school education or lower. But those voters represented only 16% of the electorate on Monday. Voters who had any education beyond high school â?? 84% of the electorate â?? mostly broke for Rubio and Cruz over Trump."

Here's why Donald Trump suffered a stunning Iowa upset when the polls suggested he'd win - Yahoo Finance

So that means people with a higher education are actually dumber.

... and I thought he lost cause less people voted for him. :error

Thanks Obama! You learned us Americans to good and now Trump can't win. :2 cents:

A lot of people talk the talk but when it comes down to it they back down and vote for the safer option - It's secret ballot remember. I bet if you did a poll asking who peopled voted for Trump would still come out on top..

Shouldn't have skipped that debate..

RIP Candidate Trump.

Now let's get busy electing another bureaucrat who is owned by big corporations. I'm so glad that all this silliness is over! Long live the establishment!

lol - Trump is the big corporations - He can't lose, even if he doesn't get the nomination...

Yes, Trump is the big corporations!

And you can see that him contributing money to candidates to be able to get things expedited locally so he can get things done quicker when building a new resort or golf course is DEFINITELY the same as Big Pharma lobbying the govt. to keep our prescription drugs artificially jacked up in price. Or the Military Industrial Complex making sure that billions and billions are spent on "defense" and that we keep getting into wars to keep the gravy train flowing. Or any of the other giant lobbyists who regularly get what they want from the crooks in Washington D.C.

Goodbye Donald Trump. You have lost Iowa. You are now finished.

Well, at least the news anchors on CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC are happy and gloating. They were all practically GLOWING last night at the news that Trump was second (in a field of 11)
And this morning on CNN they were actually mocking him.
So that's great news! The media is happy!

The media is elated, the establishment is happy, and the big corporate donors are happy!

Great day for America! :thumbsup:thumbsup

Yeh young voters can make a hige difference

So going direct to the big corporations is a more direct route and saves on paperwork.

If we want change, we have to change ourselves. This requires voting for people who are not controlled by big corporations donating the money to run huge campaigns.

Now think back to who you supported in 2012, 2008, 2004. Was it a candidate owned by big corporations?

The last President that was tapped into big money was Bush.

The REAL reason Trump lost Iowa.

Iowa Republican Caucus Exit Poll - Election 2016 - CBS News

Which ONE of these four candidate qualities mattered most in deciding whom to support today? (CHECK ONLY ONE)

Can win in November (21%)
Shares my values (42%)
Tells it like it is (14%)
Can bring needed change (21%)

He pretty much lost due to people with an ultra-social conservative stance. That is Iowa always picking unelectable candidates.

There is good news however...

On most political matters, do you consider yourself:

Moderate: Trump 35%, Cruz 9%, Rubio 26%
Conservative: Trump 23%, Cruz 30%, Rubio 22%

Trump is the overwhelming favorite of moderate voters, besting Rubio too. Which is good for future states (see huge NH lead).

There is no "we" Paul. You live in Europe and are not an American citizen.

excuse me sir but the left wing libby lib libs need to vent some steam, if just for 1 day, for that is all they will get. So dont pester them with un-skewed data they wont comprehend.

the trump hate is so thick, i openly wonder if his election will lead to riots. serious.

:2 cents:

Reality has finally set in on Robbie. The candidate he wasn't gonna vote for anyway isn't gonna win.

Robbie has already said in the past he wasn't voting for Trump but he still rah rahs him on anyway. Sort of a telling sign for Trump's support.. Lots of cheerleaders but no game winners.

I thought he lost because of the ultra conservative bible thumpers. Cruz and Rubio campaigned heavily and reached out to the religious conservatives. He'll do better in states who run their voting process like New Hampshire

Anybody that thinks theres that much difference between Bush and Obama when it comes to Banks and big corporate contributors is just misinformed. The only difference I see is Obama criticizes Wallstreet all the while taking their money.

Bush Top Contributors, 2004 Cycle

Morgan Stanley.......................$604,280
Merrill Lynch...........................$558,804
PricewaterhouseCoopers...........$508,500
UBS AG..................................$442,325
Goldman Sachs.......................$396,350
Lehman Brothers......................$355,525
US Government.......................$334,611
Citigroup Inc ..........................$317,375
MBNA Corp.............................$313,600
Ernst & Young.........................$304,340
Bear Stearns...........................$302,850
Deloitte LLP.............................$293,050
Credit Suisse Group.................$279,590
Wachovia Corp.......................$273,760
Bank of America .....................$258,361
JPMorgan Chase & Co .............$228,005
Blank Rome LLP.......................$225,150
US Dept of State......................$220,280
Ameriquest Capital..................$208,130
Blue Cross/Blue Shield.............$199,075

Obama Top Contributors, 2008 Cycle

University of California.............$1,799,460
Goldman Sachs.......................$1,034,615
Harvard University...................$900,909
Microsoft Corp.........................$854,717
JPMorgan Chase & Co...............$847,895
Google Inc .............................$817,855
Citigroup Inc..........................$755,057
US Government .....................$638,335
Time Warner..........................$617,844
Sidley Austin LLP....................$606,260
Stanford University.................$603,866
National Amusements Inc........$579,098
Columbia University................$570,839
Skadden, Arps et al................$554,439
WilmerHale Llp.......................$554,373
US Dept of Justice..................$540,636
IBM Corp...............................$534,470
UBS AG.................................$534,166
General Electric.......................$532,031
Morgan Stanley.......................$528,182

This is a huge part of the problem - Change. We all seem to want "change" and all politicians promise us "change". But nothing ever changes.

The United States Federal government is really too big to "change". A new president walks into the Oval Office, makes a handful of changes, and then it's business as usual. Then while they are going through the usual business, something comes and jabs them in the eye - Like the current problems with the Veterans Administration, or problems with the Secret Service, or a scandal in the military, or the DEA running an operation the White House didn't know about, or the Post Office going broke. Then there will be some serious drama, a mass shooting or terrorist attack, or a General in the military sharing government secrets with some chick he is banging. Then the President will spend the rest of his (or her?) time in office dealing with such problems while desperately trying to push a handful of ideas through (like Obamacare, big change!) while trying not to create new problems.

Name a president in our lifetime who walked into office, made great, sweeping changes, and then had no problems for the rest of their term? It's never happened. Why? Because our government is huge, is one of the largest employers in the country, and it's too large not to have problems.

At the same time, why do we need change? Trump wants to make our country great again. Really? Is our country not already great?

Excuses, excuses ...

New Hampshire is next week Trumpster may redeem himself yet.

If he fails to win more excuses?

RIP The Candidacy Of Donald J. Trump.

The establishment has won. Trump gave it a good shot. But now it's all over. Goodbye Trump, we hardly knew ye.

crockett once again not addressing the topic...but attacking other people with his hatred and vitriol.

Watch yourself crockett, you never know when EonBlue will come into this thread and rip you a new asshole like he did the other day.

As for whom I'm voting for:
Libertarian Gary Johnson launches presidential bid, lowers expectations - POLITICO

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Isn't that the truth..

oh how cute.. Robbie the guy who kept bumping another topic whining about me.. suddenly think's it's out of line to troll him. Guess it's different and ok for Robbie to do but totally out of line when someone does it to him..

Robbie Logic...

oh and by the way.. The topic was about how Trump supporters who cheerlead for him but don't actually show up to vote for him.. You are a perfect example, so yes very much on topic.

:1orglaugh
You are so dumb lol

I have never said I was a Trump supporter. Matter of fact I've said over and over that I don't agree with building a Soviet Union style wall. And unless Trump suddenly says he is pro choice again and that he is going to stop the war on drugs and end obscenity laws against the adult industry AND pull our troops out of other countries...I would never support him.

YOU are the one who keeps saying i suppoer him...not me.
The only candidate in any party who espouses the beliefs I just posted is Gary Johnson.

The only thing I've pointed out over and over is that Trump is a real threat to the establishment and business as usual in DC.

You seem to LOVE the establishment and the status quo that has caused wars around the world, spying, 20 trillion dollars in debt, etc

You are a pathetic excuse and nothing more than a low information fake liberal/sheep.

PS: About that "other" thread you are crying about....the topic was about what an idiot you are. So I stayed on topic in that thread. Lol

Of course, how could anyone guess that Robbie doesn't support Trump, with your constant making excuses for him. I've lost count how many times you have sat here and argued with people over what Trump "really" means when he says the stupid shit he says. Robbie, the non supporter of Trump always knows the hidden messages that no one else knows but him..

And there you go PROVING how dumb you are. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You are so out of touch with the people of your own country that it's breathtaking.
You seem to be a hate-filled, vitriolic, old man who fears any real change. You PRETEND to want "progressive" "change"...but when it actually is happening right in front of you...you run scared like an egg sucking dog.
Just like you did in that thread in which the actual topic was all about how ridiculous you are. (congrats on that by the way lol)

EonBlue stepped in their and beat you like a red-headed stepchild! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Because the shit you idiots post is nonsense. It's fun showing how ignorant and biased you clowns are. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You realize, or maybe you don't, that unlike Trump the folks running against him are in favor of off-shoring decent jobs (nearly all of his opponents support the TPP Treaty) and/or forcing rape victims to bear the rapists child (Rubio and a few others). Trump too has dropped some very, very strong hints that he's still in favor of single payer health care. Do you oppose that as well?

He also has an effective sounding plan to force the reduction of pharmaceutical prices to the same level that the rest of the world pays. Pretty much the same plan that Sanders is touting actually.

Indeed, on a whole lot of issues the only one to the left of Trump is Bernie Sanders.

The campaign was vote for me i will be your dictator.

I include the "we" because Europ is strolling into a disaster, led by the bureaucrats.

But in the case of the US, yes you have to stop voting for the politicians owned or own a big corporation.

How many time, in the last 6 elections, did you vote for that type of candidate?

100% agree. Now total the donations given to Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Mayors, all the way down to the local dog catcher.

Trump can't change anything, with so many paid to be against him.

The West is on a downward spiral, slow but steady. The reasons are obvious.

Exportation of manufacturing.
Importation of cheap labour.
Increase reliance on financial markets.
Increased power of corporations and the 0.05%
Governments led by people owned by their backers, couldn't run a corner shop or/and too liberal.
Tax avoidance by large corporations.

Voters who keep voting for the same people, expecting a different result.

Can Trump really do what he promises, with two Houses of Government firmly against him?

Can the UK get a better deal out of the EU with many EU Nations firmly against them?

This is making the working and middle class poorer and the 0.05% a lot richer.

And yet I look at the way people vote over and over again for people that will not change anything. And wonder if they will ever change. We have to vote for the people who can and will do the job. Break the hold of the big Corporations and bureaucracies, before things get worse. The US especially.

40 years ago China was a failed State with people dying of starvation, it had nothing. Today it's about to become the richest country in the World. By taking our manufacturing and relying on us to buy the goods. What happens when there's not enough of us with enough disposable cash to buy their goods?

After 40 years of consumerism, we have a problem.

And this is exactly the problem. Knowing this you cannot deny that there has never been a candidate like Trump, funding everything himself, it's unique in history. Add to that that he is not playing along with political correct campaigns.

And this is why Trump IS different. Granted if he would be president he still has corrupt Washington against him. But you can be sure there will be a shitstorm, if only in the beginning, if he would be president. And that by itself is a statement of the voters, and an important first step.

That's the only reason people need to vote for him. The voice of the people who say enough with how it's been done the last decades. And that's the only reason i would vote for him if i was a US citizen.

because he often sounds like a retarded dude? :pimp

Screw Iowa. A bunch of moronic evangelical assholes. Who gives shit what people in Iowa even think? It's no wonder Cruz won there. He's just as fucked up.