Trump administration may go after legal pot.
 

Today Sean Spicer announce that the Trump administration is looking into going after states wth legal recreational pot. He said it is a scourge similar to the opioid epidemic around the country.

Trump administration signals a possible crackdown on states over marijuana - LA Times

If anyone could use a little OG Kush it's Sean Spicer.

Good

We don't need any more potheads!

Part of the Republican state rights thingy they've been talking about. You know, states rights about transgender toilets, but not pot. State rights except when they don't want states to have rights. Yeah, that's it. More minions governing the misfits.

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State Rights! State Rights! I thought that was the Republican excuse for trying to do away with transgender bathrooms, abortion, gay rights.. ect..ect..

But as usual it's only state rights if they agree with it..

Are transgender toilets regulated by federal law in the same manner marijuana is?

I have always said that the GOP is all about less government and more personal freedom so long as they approve of the freedoms you wish to exercise.

Freedom to smoke a joint and drive?

Boy that will be a dumb move on Trump's part.

Why does the govt. always feel it has the right to run people's lives? Trump, of all people knows better. :(

Nope. That would be driving under the influence which is illegal and wrong and anyone who does it should be punished harshly.

If I want to kick back in my house and light up a little weed to relax, I'm not hurting anyone and the government should have no say in what I am doing.

Freedom to smoke a joint while your mom smokes my pole

You're so fucking retarded. Isn't past your bed time

Exactly :pimp
And I don't even smoke pot. But if I want to...NOBDOY should be able to tell me I can't.

We are grown adults and perfectly capable of making our own choices.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup Very true!

As far as I remember you advocated all narcotics (cocaine, heroine etc) being legal.
Just to add some perspective to your opinions on this matter :)

Yep, the govt. shouldn't rule over you and tell you what you can and can't do.

And your prudish opinions shouldn't be allowed to rule other people's lives.

You don't like narcotics? Don't take them.

You like to do a bump of coke on the weekend with a few drinks? That's YOUR business.
THAT is my perspective.

I'm not your daddy and you're not a child. And the govt. isn't your daddy either.
Grown people should be able to do as they please unless they hurt someone or steal from someone.

My perspective is that junkies COST to society. Meaning EVERYONE pays for their treatment, for their inability to work and so on and on. Not to mention some addicts actually steal or hurt in order to get the dose.
That are the reasons to prohibit it.

Same logic - some people say that safety belts should not be enforced as it is HIS/HER own life. Do you agree with that?
I do not because losing those lives actually COST to society (one less person to contribute etc etc). That is why they are enforced, even though it is his/her own life...

I got educated on what addiction really is last year after attending some educational seminars on the subject by a top professional in the field.

Only a very TINY portion of people are addicts. And if you ARE an addict..you are already one before you touch your first drink of alcohol or your first prescription pain killer.
Your receptors are just sitting there waiting for it.

As for the 99.9% of the rest of us...we are NOT addicts and don't need the govt. telling us what to do.

The "junkies" who cost society??? They are going to find and take whatever they are addicted to regardless of what you or the govt. tells them to do.
Addiction hijacks the brain and they have no choice.

An addict could care less about legalities.

All the govt. does with the "war on drugs" is turn it's own citizens into criminals.

You can say that with any crime... Lets abolish punishment for crimes (ok lets leave those that directly hurt others)...

1. Seatbelt laws are enforced not because of the value of that person's life to society as a whole, but because if they are killed/crippled/seriously injured during a car accident insurance companies have to pay more in settlements. There are fewer of these deaths/injuries if people wear seat belts so insurance companies lobbied to get seatbelt laws passed in order to save them money.

2. Most of the people who are smoking pot legally now were smoking it illegally before. Sure, there are medical patients and others who are recent converts to it once it became legal (especially with recreational), but most of these people were smokers before. The difference is now the money is going to local businesses and taxes are going to the state and the money is being used for good things instead of going to drug cartels.

3. Addiction sucks, but it exists and we have to deal with it. The problem is that the current legal system doesn't do that. If you are a drug addict and you get caught by the police and end up in jail, you likely will get no drug treatment therapy while you are in there. As soon as you are out you will likely go back to using. Instead of throwing addicts in jail and hoping they will magically get better, we should be putting them in rehabs and treatment centers where they can get professional help and have a better shot of turning their lives around.

But feel free to keep popping those legal prescription pills and abusing that alcohol

Trump is doing things to benefit big money.......not 1 thing to help the middle and poor class

Part of what annoyed me the most about the story is Spicer saying that Trump believes pot smoking is as bad as the opioid epidemic this country is in. Just the other day I saw a piece talking about how states with Medical pot are seeing up 25% fewer deaths from Opioid overdose.

But AG Sessions also said that the Trump administration will continue to use privately owned and operated prisons. So they got to do something to keep getting people to fill those for-profit prisons.

it has nothing to do with more or less potheads...it has everything to do with crime and rewarding criminals with a lucrative underground non taxable market...90% of all crime, according to the DEA is directly or indirectly linked to narcotics trade...

Your 'perspective' is odd given you are Dutch, correct? This argument that it "costs society" is quite ridiculous. How much does alcohol addiction "cost society"? Are you advocating we abolish drinking? Bet that would go over well in Europe where you all drink like fishes. Drunkenness, sexual and physical abuse, kidney and liver disease, less productivity - all because of (legal) alcohol.

How about the cost to society for smoking? Want to ban cigarettes? Again, since most Europeans smoke like chimneys I doubt this policy would go over very well in Europe.

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Because...

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Sessions is bad news.

He hasn't gotten to dealing with the "evils of internet porn" yet ... the shitstorm is coming

You made a mistake by saying Trump knows something.

the WHO claims ONE BILLION people will die in this century from the effects of tobacco...ONE BILLION! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yep, good time to buy stock of companies who own/run for profit private prisons

How ironic on the same day Sessions announced he is reversing Obama's policy to stop using private prisons.

Attorney General indicates feds will reverse course on using private prisons

Robbie

Reading your posts, I feel like you are libertarian more than republican. Am I right? if not what makes you lean more Republican.

QTF :2 cents: :thumbsup

And Robbie's reply to this is awesome too.

the cost of enforcing such laws that everyone is going to break anyways costs a lot. the "war on drugs" has cost billions and achieved basically nothing. millions of productive people use pot medicinally and recreationally. addicts will be addicts no matter what laws you make up. using the word junkie when talking about weed is laughable. abuse of legal medication is probably the biggest problem out there. kids here in my quiet little burb are ODing left and right on fentanyl.

FUCK ME!

I fucking knew it. These cocksuckers

I am a registered Libertarian.

I voted Obama in 2008, Gary Johnson in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

I don't intentionally lean towards any party. I just vote for who I think has the best solutions.

In 2016 I listened to Hillary and Trump. Hillary's public positions were very vague...but seemed to me to be a continuance of the way the economics of our country were going. I disagreed with her tax plan, economic plan, foreign policy, and trade ideas.

I agreed with Trump 100% on those issues.
And I voted my wallet.

I'm pissed that the media and the Democrats are so butt-hurt over losing the election and being 100% wrong that they are doing everything they can think of from their old-school political playbook to stop Trump.

I voted for change for the economy.
No, I don't agree with Trump's "wall" or this pot thing.

But it's hard for me to voice any criticism when there are all the delicate "snowflakes" acting insane on here. :(
I find myself "defending" the President in the arguments, when I don't really want to.

I'd rather wait (just like I did in 2008 with hopefulness for Obama) and allow the man to get some things done and see the RESULTS.
Then if it's fucked up...I could voice rational disagreement and criticism.

Just like this pot issue. I think it's a big mistake on Trump's part if he allows Sessions to move forward with this.
He is probably thinking it will help him with "conservatives" (because a quick look at Trump's total life shows he has always been a liberal) and shut them up.

I think he's dead wrong about that.
He proved in the campaign that he didn't have to suck up to conservatives. And he still won.

FAKE NEWS

Trump said it was a states rights' issue...

He's not Dutch, he's Slovakian. He's a Ludak, which is slang for being a member of the Slovakian Peoples Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_People's_Party

Ban the Dumb Ass Pot heads, not the Pot.
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Yep and his new coservative FCC chairmain is just waiting for the word to flip the switch. Good read https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-internet-law/

Yeah I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

What are your thoughts about having to poll nationally @ 15% to get into the presidential debate? I listened to quite a bit of Gary Johnson and I really think that had he been allowed to debate he would have convinced a massive number of people to vote for him because so many felt they had little choice with such poor candidates on both sides.

Why did you not vote Johnson this time and went with Trump? Was it because you felt you needed to vote for the lesser of 2 evils?