Deep South - Pro-Trump - All On Disability
 

I don't understand the deep south. They say they are all pro-trump and hate Obama. But they are all on disability. Instead of the Bible Belt, They are the disability belt.

There are jobs in the Southern US. Many Mexicans go there to work. Why Americans so lazy?

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I have said for years that the thing the Republican party has done best is convincing a large group of people to vote against their best interest.

I love it when people try to THINK they know what other people's "best interest" is.

I heard a Republican Congressman on CNN a month back respond to the biased anchor who had just said those exact words that you did.

He told that CNN anchor that his constituents do not WANT to remain in a situation where they have to live that way. They want the economy to start kicking ass, they want jobs (yes, many people on "disability" could be working online and making money with no problem), they want to pay their own way.

And I agree 100% with that Republican. He hit the nail on the head. People getting govt. checks become dependant on them and lose any sense of dignity.
Give them an environment where they don't NEED the govt. to hand them money like they are pieces of shit...and they will be happy and have a good life as opposed to being a slave of the govt.

No kane...NOBODY votes against their "best interests".
You just lack the understanding of WHAT people's best interests are.

Their best interest is NOT in getting a hand-out.
Their best interest is a viable economy and hope for the future.

I don't disagree with you on most of what you said. I do, however, feel that the Republicans are not the ones that are going to help these people succeed. I think Democrats tend to have more programs/ideas for helping poor people than do the Republicans. I feel that the Republican party convinces their supporters to vote for them not because of their economic policy, but because of their social positions. They convince them that the evil liberals are going to take away their guns, give all their money to the Muslims, and force their daughters to get abortions.

I'm not saying Democrats are great. Neither party really is all that interested in ending poverty so long as they can still convince those people to vote for them. That said, I think Democrats tend to give more tax cuts to the poor and do more things that help the poor than Republicans. None of these programs are going to pull people out of poverty unless those people really want to work and get out, but if you are going to be poor I think you may well have more options if you live in a blue state as opposed to a red state.

I know a couple of people on disability and trust me, they aren't getting a "hand out".
I struggle everyday to figure out how to pay the next bill but I don't envy them.
I would never trade places with them. One of them got their guts ripped out by a shitty
doctor and could not sue.

Good economy or bad; these people have no possibility of working.

And the reality is, after taxes are divided up by gov programs, my tax burden for all people on disability is probably one of the smallest expenses.

These programs are just "political bait" : event a problem then promise to fix it.

And over 20 TRILLION Dollars later since the war on poverty began, it has changed nothing.

Success in life is not about what someone gives you.

Entitlements and Government programs do not and NEVER have create success as a general rule.

Success in life comes when you are driven and determined to do it for yourself.

I don't disagree. Since the War on Poverty started in the mid-1960's we have had both Republican and Democrat presidents and we have had the House and Senate under control of each party at different times. As I said before, neither party really is all that interested in helping the poor. I'm just saying, if you are going to be poor, Democrats tend to have more programs to help make your life a little better.

I know one guy on *mental disability* that has a side business, all cash, owning a traveling concession trailer.
I know another guy who has always been an alcoholic who is collecting food stamps and getting Medicaid.

There is abuse in any system -- these are the loud-mouth minority.

These people are in my state -- Michigan -- and both support Donald Trump.
Good luck to the winners ... tick-tock, tick-tock

Is there a system, in the history of the world, that was never abused?

And how many of these systems did we get rid of because we found some cheaters?

Fucking ZERO.

But OMG, somebody got 2 more food stamps than allowed so we must end the whole system.

Let's end the college football system because North Carolina "cheated"

:1orglaugh

So what's keeping that guy from working online? This is the information age...and we are moving into an information economy.

I'm sitting in a chair typing shit on a keyboard and making money. Your friend can too.

I think there is a vast difference in viewpoints which first stems from the problem of defining "help". Are you "helping" a heroin addict who's suffering from brutal withdrawal symptoms by offering him more heroin? Of course some would agree you are helping, others would say you are hurting. Empathy vs Reason.

In evolutionary biology, every species has to solve whats known as the "Free Rider Problem". When one takes and contributes little or nothing back, this places the entire group at risk. Once it begins, the others slow down and start thinking "I should take too" and "why should i work so hard when they're taking".

All living organisms have mechanisms in place to limit, discourage or eliminate this problem. In most cases in the animal kingdom, they are unceremoniously killed by the group.

As humans, our first biggest problem is that we've went the opposite way. We saw the problem and then did everything possible to encourage it by addressing the symptoms and not the disease.

We've started the PC thing of letting people know "there's not shame in being a Free Rider"
We've began to shame those who point out Free Riders.
We've made it a bad thing to point out Free Riders.
We're being told that if you don't give handouts to Free Riders, you're a heartless, greedy asshole who just doesn't care (i.e. how a Liberal characterizes a Conservative)

Free Riders are a larger and larger voter base for Democrats. That should tell you something. Of course that's part of the reason more "programs" exist by Democrats.

It's important to note that all those "programs" have done NOTHING to change the problem. So while Democrats tend to support more programs for the poor, it can be argued they are also swelling the ranks of the poor in the process. That, to me, is not "helping".

I strongly disagree with you about people caring.

I think EVERYONE cares about this problem.

I think most have no idea how to fix it because most won't be honest about what the real problem is and instead focus on painless and politically popular act of treating the symptoms of the problem.

One side is driven to give handouts. The other is ALSO calculating the cost to all WHO PAY FOR THOSE HANDOUTS - and asking if its helping or hurting. But NO ONE wants this problem.

At the end of it all, the fundamental problem of the Free Rider has to be reconciled or the entire system is at risk. Where you say "help", I say "enable". Where you say "assist", i say "discourages hard work and self reliance". It's not that you or I don't care or one cares more than the other, its that we both see a different problem each of which requires a different solution.

When i get into a financial bind, i don't go looking for handouts, i start working 20 hr days and sleeping at my desk. Of course i wouldn't be doing that if someone was standing right there to put money into my hand or saying "hey, let me make things easier on you". That's not where personal growth and self reliance comes from.... and of course a view of "it's not your fault" (ho matter the extent to which it obviously is) is far more appealing.

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This is a smart, well-reasoned argument and I agree with most of what you are saying here. It is a complex problem and as I have said earlier in the thread, I don't think either party really has any actual interest in solving it. And, as you said, solving it, in general, is a very difficult thing to do.

I think we are getting off my original point though. All I was trying to say is that if you are going to be a "free rider" and you have no intention of trying to work your way out of that, you are a fool if you vote Republican because the Democrats will give you more stuff. That's it. That is all I am saying. Somehow, Republicans have managed to use other issues and positions on issues to convince a lot of poor people who are doing nothing to be less poor to vote for them even when that will likely take money out of their pockets. I'm not mad at the Republicans for this. Hell, I almost admire it.

Paralysis in the hands.

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What's keeping you from being a brain surgeon instead of typing out something to pimp some ho on the internet.
Why don't you get a "real job"?

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yeah, all those drug people who never graduated grade 8 are just waiting the economy to "kick ass"...

there are a lot of people out there who just can't wrap their minds around working online. i'm sure you know a good number yourself.

Both of them are bi-polar.

Charlie, the drunk is a former construction tradesman who is too old to work physically -- useless drunk and computer illiterate. Lives in a marginally employed guy's basement -- literally. He only wants to make beer money doing side jobs helping a bi-polar prescription drug addicted early retiree from GM. Charlie gets $260 EBT + Medicaid.

The other, Bill, can program HTML, PHP, MySQL and does do that work for cash on the side along with his trailer concession revenue. He just wants to game the system I guess. $400 disability SSI +Medicare+$260 EBT/mo and what he can earn on the side.

I don't get it either why anyone would want to live that way -- I guess they are just nuts :2 cents:

I spent over 10 years hiring construction laborers -- they are not exactly creme of the crop society. If you had 5 laborers 4 might show up to work. The 5th guy was too hungover, in jail for child support, yada yada ...

Lots of those guys do Gay for pay porn too , I've shot many myself :thumbsup

Yep. I've seen those types a million times too.

So what's the answer for those kind of people? They are useless to society, yet you and I are supposed to pay for everything for them?
I don't know about you, but I'd rather keep my money for my own family and my own future.

I just shake my head in disgust over a lot of people's actions. I was raised to NEVER ask other people for anything. And to earn my own way.
My dad has never gotten anything given to him. He's worked his whole life. Still does at age 76.
My grandfather died a few years ago at age 91. He ran his company up until a stroke stopped him. He never got a damn thing given to him. He started out his adult life with my grandmother by building a cabin with his own hands near Peace River down in Florida. He caught fish and grew crops to feed my grandmother and my dad.

He built himself up and by the time I was born....he was a multi-millionaire who owned thousands of acres of orange groves in Florida.

That's just the way that the older generation of people did things. Necessity was the mother of invention and failure wasn't an option because there was no govt. handout to save your ass if you didn't make it.

I think the "War On Poverty" has had the opposite effect of what it was intended to do. I think it makes people give up on making it on their own. They always know there is some kind of "safety net" for them to get by on.

I agree Robbie, but I think there should be a temporary safety net. Anyone could fall on hard times, but it shouldn't be there for people to make a life on it.

^^^^^ :thumbsup

The two policies that won Trump the election were the Wall and bringing jobs back to the US. Whether he delivers them or not isn't the point. He promised them and Clinton said the opposite.

The problem is both parties are pro-globalisation and migration because they make the 1% richer. And we know who owns the politicians.

In 1965, when I left school, there was no problem getting a job for someone with no real education there were 100s of jobs available.

In 1995 when my wife left school the factory jobs had started to disappear, she had a smaller range of jobs to select.

In 2022 when our daughter leaves school, there will be far fewer jobs, even flipping burgers will have gone.

As for working online, she might well do that and as it's cheaper to live in Czech than it is to live in the US. She will take a job from an American. That's assuming she doesn't get outpriced by a Philipino or computer.

Automation Globalisation and migration are killing jobs and wages. So those in work will have to pay more to support those out of work. Or we rethink the entire system.

Brother I was making millions online before I even MET Claudia Marie (my wife).
As for being a brain surgeon, that's called a skill that you got to a university to learn.

As for "paralysis in the hands". Now you're just being stupid.
A person who is paralyzed isn't going to be doing anything at all. Unless he's like Stephen Hawkings.
A person who is paralyzed is obviously someone who NEEDS assistance. And hopefully has a family who can take care of them (as I have seen in my lifetime with a friend's brother who was paralyzed from the neck down).

I have a "real job". My bank account proves that.

Why the personal attack on me and my wife? Because we are in the porn industry (you know, the one you claim you are working in), you think you have the right to call me a "pimp" and her a "ho"?
That's just bullshit man.

GFY should be the last place on Earth that a pornographer should be subjected to that kind of small-mind thinking. Grow up.

When I was a kid the "safety net" was your family.
And the beauty of that "safety net" was...you wanted to get away from them as fast as you could so you worked extra hard to get a job and get the hell out of there! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Any time I saw a temporary situation where someone in the family had live with someone else in the family...it always went to hell quickly with arguing and hurt feelings. lol

Same for democrat party. No quality citizen who is earning what he deserves should vote for any leftist party (aka punish hard working big earner and "redistribute" to the lazies)/

Unfortunately, some people are are just fucked over by life and blame everyone else but themselves.
They lack the motivation to do something better. Why does a bear shit in the woods?

I just shine them on.

A Slovakian, living in Slovakia, pretending to know everything about American politics and the intricacies of southern voting patterns after picking the loser in the French election and the loser the Dutch elections what a fucking joke :1orglaugh

Two people? We are going bankrupt for sure. Tick-tock

Ummm, I was just "throwing shit out there".
I had no idea of what you do.
Sorry I offended you.

But please read this link : Paralysis Of The Hand Symptoms: Causes & Natural Home Remedies

Nice dribble of fantasy talk, mental specimen. :helpme:error:1orglaugh
Take your meds asap, friendly advice :2 cents:

Blabla.. Czech Republic has the lowest unemployment rate in whole Europe. Many companies are struggling to find employees.

You write so much bullshit - it's insane.

<quietly waiting for your usual followup act after insulting the views and opinions of others, insulting them personalty where you then begin acting wholly indignant and picked on unfairly when they fire a shot back... at which point you usually point it out, let it be known that its immature and uncalled for, suggest its why this board is failing and then announce that you're above it then depart as your feeble minded way of getting the last self righteous word>

There's one more factor coming into the equation - that being demographics.

It's not exactly the smart and capable people that would be having large families (or better say high fertility ratio) and passed on the torch in a way of genetics and upbringing.

It's quite the opposite.

Apology accepted. And thank you. :)

Sure, but times have changed a lot from us growing up. I think if the government would invest in new job training for people out of work. Be better money invested, and help people get trained in new areas for the jobs available. Say give any able body person 6 months to a year of help, while they get trained.

I know there will be a few people that just want to leech off the system. So after the year, and they still don't want to work. Just cut them off and let them starve in the streets.

I read an article this morning about how the retail industry is shrinking, and it was rather interesting. It talked about how e-commerce is taking over the retail industry, local retail jobs are disappearing, and e-commerce jobs are less and tend to be in larger cities. I understand this, but there are jobs now that are purely on line. I have a dozen local friends who all work from home working for companies out of state.

I have two friends who are both self taught graphic designers, self taught, and work remotely. Both of them do not have a full time residence, and instead just travel the world - working when they can and playing tourist when they have down time. One of them does this with their spouse and child.

I remember when I was younger they told us the average office worker would be replaced with computers. This has happened somewhat, but now the average office has it's own IT department. Jobs just moved.

Just yesterday I saw a story about how several economists believe that in the next 50 years about 90% of retail, service, and labor industry jobs will be gone because they are now being done by robots or automated processes. The future is now and it will all be online.

There sure are abuses in the system - and they need to be fixed.

Any kind of financial support needs to be short term unless they are disabled. If you fall on hard times that's great, we'll give you support for a period of time - after that you are on your own. Some people were raised on welfare and then as adults come to depend on welfare. If you fall on hard times that's great, we'll give you a limited amount of support for two years and after that you cannot apply for support again for the next four years.

Disability needs to revised too. I have a friend of mine who is considered medically disabled, but otherwise is fully able to work. He is 100% disabled from BOTH the US Army and US Post Office - which shouldn't be possible - and is disabled on the state level. The truth is he is perfectly able to work on a day to day basis. He does have a serious medical condition but it's in remission and doesn't affect him for months at a time; When it does affect him he only has migraines. He might not be able to function for a day, but after that he could go right back to work.

In a different thread about a similar subject a while back I had said that I believe that part of signing up for welfare of any kind should include meeting with a counselor or taking some classes or something where you sit down and make a legit plan for getting off welfare. Maybe that will include some kind of job training or some other kind of education, but a person going on welfare should have a clear path to getting off of it and they should be required to stay on that path and prove they are working towards it.