Do you consider EXTREMELY OBESE people Victims of their metabolism?
 

How much of being FAT is a choice and how much of it is just a product of a genetic LOTTERY?

Is it time we start looking at overweight people as VICTIMS?

My grandad never came across "metabolism" while he was in a concentration camp in Germany...it must have been pure luck LOL

make way, very obese guy here...

i would say it's half-half. i was maltreated with the wrong medicines at the age of 3-4 for some issue + nearly all my grandparents died obese so there IS genetics.

on the other hand, i can lose weight, it just takes 5x bigger determination for me: some chaps lose weight by halving their pizza dinner. but if i eat only a handful of salad a day and work out like crazy, i lose weight in baby steps. i got it hard on the metabolism department, but i CAN lose weight.

no whining here, it's just that some of us fatsos need to try Much harder than Average Joe, but it doesn't mean tha we shouldn't try at all ;) let's just say we've got the difficulty set to Hard while it is Normal for others, but we can beat it, instead of blaming genetics. And who doesn't love to eat?

ps: do lowcarb & kettlebell.

There is no obesity in the countries of the Sahel where famine reigns, whatever the people's metabolism. :2 cents:

As the resident GFY AUTHORITY on obesity, I can safely say its because we are greedy fucks that eat way too much because we have zero respect for ourselves or others...

Maybe I'm missing something but "slow metabolism" sounds more like a blessing than a curse. It means that you can eat less and so you would save ton on food over your lifetime. It's kinda like an efficient 40mpg car is better than 20mpg one, everyone would obviously say that a car that burns less energy is better?

Last night i watched a perfectly spherical mother and her almost spherical son behind me at the grocery store line up. In my basket i haf some nectarines and some yogurt and a small bag of chips for my kids and i to share after dinner. In their basket a 2l bottle of coke a big bag of cookies a bag of chips..carrots which i found funny. Some pastry things i didnt recognize.
So must be genetics because it forces them to buy liquid sugar.

You have to take it on a case by case basis

there are some people who are just lazy and eat to much
some people have an underlining medical condition
some people eat as a coping mechanism because they were sexually abused
etc........

do you consider putting 10 gallons of gas into your car filling the tank until its spilling all over the ground - and then you keep on going, pumping another 20 gallons onto the ground - to make you a victim of gasoline?

Food is energy.

You can only gain fat when you consume too much energy and burn less energy than you consume. There are no "genetic" issues which cause your body to create fat from nothingness.

ROFL! :thumbsup

Lets be honest this BS we are seeing through social media etc Fat shaming, it's your genetics etc is just another way of normalising obesity which gives lazy cunts an excuse to continue eating mountains of the wrong food.

There is nothing normal about being overweight and it should not be socially acceptable, obesity is the biggest driving factor in the rise of western diseases i.e. Heart disease and cancer.

Genetics play a minor role, epigenetics is considerably more important which is something everyone has control over.

Exercise regularly, eat plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables. Don't eat junk food/fast food and you'll have no problem controlling weight. :2 cents:

There are people with bad metabolisms, but most of the time that bad metabolism is created by lifestyle. You know how they say your metabolism goes to shit as you get older? That's a pile of bullshit. Your lifestyle changes as you get older and that fucks up your metabolism and makes you a fat storing machine. You can undo it.

Morbidly obese people are that way because of poor impulse control. You have to have the calories to make that much body fat and no amount of "bad metabolism" can do that. Too much credit is given to hormones when it's a matter of not being able to stop stuffing food down their gullets.

My sister-in-law's excuse is that she's an "emotional eater", which is another pile of bullshit. Any overeating is emotional, even for fit people. I don't eat that 8th slice of pizza because I need it, I do it because it makes me feel good.

I have no sympathy for people who get crazy fat and blame their problems on it.

Mostly it is by choice. Even if you have a very slow metabolism. Eating the right amount of food will not get you into obesity.

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It's also a major factor driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone. :(

Sure, metabolism plays a huge role. I didn't gain weight until I quite smoking, although you can argue most people start eating more when they quit smoking. We've all seen it - people who never exercise a day of their life and will always be skinny, and then people who diet and exercise every day and will always be huge.

It's dieting.

Most people sit all day. Sit in your car, sit at your desk, sit at a table, sit on the couch, sit on the toilet.

In America, society has been geared to accommodate convenience and promote isolation. There are multiple drive through fast food joints on your way home. Groceries delivered to your door. Work from home. Convenience foods are made to be high calorie and addictive.

In America you have to fight society to not get fat. You must rebel for your own health.

Genetics can make you obese, but not extremely obese, that is purely on your fault.
And when it comes to metabolism, some people which have it fast is because they conduct a lot of activities. If you sit 24/7 on computer, then you cant expect to have fast metabolism.

Again,...

food is energy
a "calorie" is a unit of energy
1lb of fat is 3500 calories of energy

your body requires x amount of energy per day to operate (x amount of calories)
your body expects x amount of energy per day (something you have A LOT of influence over)

at the end of the day, you either have a surplus or deficit of calories (available energy)

a surplus is stored as fat

there is no "genetic" issue that can cause you to create fat from nothing.

generally, metabolic rates vary slightly from individual to individual. but its irrelevant. i have on pro fighter i train and his BMR is 3400 calories a day. factor in the energy needs of training + recovery/repair and he needs another 1000 or so a day, depending on what we're doing.

most male adults are at around 2000 calories per day. I am at 1900-2000. generally speaking, f i want to lose fat, i need a consistent 500 calorie a day deficit. If i want to gain muscle, i need a minimum of 500 calorie a day surplus. if i want to gain fat, i need a 500+ a day surplus.

if your BMR is 1750 calories a day and you are eating 2250 calories a day consistently and not active, you'll gain fat. this is not rocket science.

people talk about genetics as an excuse... and know nothing about diet, nutrition, physiology and exercise and how they relate.... much less how much food a person is actually putting in their mouth.

there are no "genetic factors" which alter the laws of thermodynamics.

furthermore, there is literally NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER to anyone, particularly an obese person to furthering the myth that "you just can't help it" and "it's not your fault".

Why the fuck would you ever tell someone "Don't even try to save your own life"???

it's probably the most cruel thing you could do to that person.

you can't be 400 pounds and NOT be eating an obscene amount of calories every single day to support the energy needs of moving that much weight around. do none of you even consider that obvious fact? an extra 250 pounds is like walking around all day long with 5 45lb plates. you honestly don't get how much energy that requires? that you have to eat fucking birthday cake and pizza and drink coke all day long to get that many calories?

you can't be 400 pounds as a male on a normal 2000 calorie a day diet.... as you'd be losing 4-5 pounds a week or more for quite a while.

So much incorrect info in your post , damn.

Particularly funny: "there are no "genetic factors" which alter the laws of thermodynamics." Thanks for the laugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Are Free Will and personal choice and autonomy OVERRATED?

explain how a persons body energy systems violate the laws of physics, genius.

technically - in the strictest sense, most neuroscientists will argue that you have no free will. that's a long discussion of neuroscience and brain function.

brain processes have no start point and no end point apart from being born and dying and all influence the other in one way or another.

further, almost all of your brains activity happens below conscious awareness - which the conscious you has no access to, so you can never truly know why you did anything, why you like anything, why you raised your arm, when or how that decision was made, much less be sure you chose to do it and know that you chose to do it for the reasons you believe you did... you are only aware of the narrative which rose to conscious awareness which explains why you did something.

you can tell me that you like the color "green". you can never honestly explain why you like green as you have no access to the unconscious mental processes which led you to say "yes".

he's right. There are no genetics that magically make the laws of thermodynamics irrelevant. Fat people are fat because they eat too much. Bottom line.

Discrepancies in people's metabolisms are not naturally as great as everyone would believe. They're altered by how you live your life mostly. If someone has a slow as molasses metabolism, it's most likely because they made it that way and that person can still be fit as long as they are more careful about what and how much they eat. But staying fit requires that your metabolism changes with your waistline. That's why people who lose weight too quickly (the wrong way) snap right back to where they were and then some. Losing weight slowly and adding muscle mass will ensure the weight stays off.

I'm saying this as a fit person who just treated himself to a big KFC dinner and a pint of cookie dough ice cream.

Exactly.

Think of your body as a big meat bag and food as your fuel. You don't use the fuel it builds up in the meatbag.

Lots of long fucking sessions spends a lot of energy and increases your metabolism, as do long edging jackoff sessions :thumbsup

There were far fewer fat kids at school with me in the 50s.

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Speaking only for myself, it was 100% all me and my choices. 2 weeks ago I hit under 300 lbs for the 1st time in probably close to 20 yrs. My goal is to get down to 260'ish.

This is awesome congrats! You'll do better than you expected because you're aware now. Hats off to you cheers :thumbsup

what most people fail to understand is that the stomach can be "trained" to process more food...it can also be trained to process less...it adapts...for example I have a hard time finishing a whole hamburger...I rarely eat bread and the meat/bread combo is heavy on my stomach...I dont think I could eat 2 hamburgers without puking...I have a hard time with meat...fish and veggies with no seasoning other than lemon juice is the bulk of my diet...BBQ ribs are a serious challenge for me...the fat makes me want to puke...

this is a result of my adaptation to a clean diet, it was more out of convenience because I have a fish shop close by and they grill it for you, so when I was busy at work I could just order a big grilled fish...I like some lean meats like chicken and lean beef but I cant consume more than say 200grams/7oz it is simply too much for me...

my advice to anybody is to man up, eat just fish and veggies for 6 months, you will never want to go back to regular food...your stomach and taste WILL adapt...

metabolism is based on diet.

One other thing people should remember is that your satiety is triggered by food volume, not the calorie energy contained in the food. That's why eating a pound of "clean food" will be better for you than a pound of ice cream. Broccoli has the volume to fill you up but added very few calories. The ice cream is dense with calories and not filling.

I eat a handful of walnuts every day when I'm getting lean because I think it's important to get my god fats. But it's really not the best food to eat when watching calories. One conservative handful is about 200 calories and it does almost nothing as far as making me feel fuller.

My couch IS my toilet... :2 cents:

That's not entirely true, as you age your metabolism slows down. Lets say your BMR is 2000 at 30 years old, by the time you're 40 your BMR will be around 1900, 50 around 1800 etc

Middle age spread is a bit of a myth, well ignorance more than anything. You either choose to eat a bit less as you age or do more exercise to compensate, most people do neither and they put on weight.

To be fair it's not black and white, once someone is morbidly obese it is an uphill struggle to rectify the damage. A bit like those people you see that have lost 200 pounds and are left with all this disgusting excess skin they can never get rid of, skin has a limit to it's elasticity and once it's been stretched beyond it's limit there is no fixing it.

Once someone is morbidly obese they have insulin resistance, leptin and ghrelin resistance (hormones that regulate hunger) so they always feel hungry, they usually have depression and their entire bodies are inflamed which can lead to many other illnesses.

It's still 100% their own fault that they got to that point, I'm just saying it's a lot more difficult to change once your body is in that much trouble because you're battling against a host of self inflicted problems.

Then of coarse if you're filling your body with sugar and junk food you're feeding the bad bacteria in your gut microbiome which comes back to TheSquealers point about conscious and free will, you don't crave the junk food it's your gut microbiome that craves it.

I think you're really really really fat and just bullshitting us :2 cents: :1orglaugh

Interesting we all know at least someone who can appear to eat anything they want and they never seem to put on any weight. Doug Lisle does an excellent job on explaining how a tiny percentage of people have more defined calorie estimation receptors than the rest of us.

Check it out, really interesting stuff

https://youtu.be/xAdqLB6bTuQ?t=1866

The SCIENCE of metabolism is NOT an OPINION

There were far fewer fat children when I went to school. The body hasn't evolved that much in 50 years. It's all due to eating.

eating is joy and food is too accessible (at least for most of us) so it's starting to be a curse :winkwink:

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