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amacontent 06-24-2023 10:32 AM

Thoughts on using content of models that passed away
 
What do you guys think. Especially models that were young and left us too early, One of my best friends Amber Rayne left us way early. I remember being with her at a Sharks game in San Jose and actually talked about this very thing. She actually said she wanted her videos to be used long after shes gone.

CurrentlySober 06-24-2023 12:13 PM

I see zero issue with it. They didn't withdraw Star Wars when Carrie Fisher died did they? No, she played Princess Lia, and her role lives on (Even bringing her BACK after death, with CGI)

Why is porn different? It isn't - The girls were just as happy playing the role of 'Slut #3 with pigtails' as Carrie was playing the Princess...

The only reason I wouldn't use legitimate content I had paid for and shot would be if the deceased's relatives requested I take it down. Which I would do in a heartbeat.

The only reason I would think less of someone else using content of a dead pornstar, would be if they were billing it it as 'Her Last Scene Before Her Suicide' or something, sensationalising her death...

But business is business, and if you have invested time and money to create and produce a product that is intended for sale... Then for sale it should be.

Besides, 95% of the viewers wouldn't know they had died anyway... & the 5% that did? Well probably they would be pleased that they had got to see another performance by her, and lament the fact that there would be no more... :2 cents:

pornlaw 06-24-2023 12:40 PM

As long as it's the content that they signed the model release for... no legal issues...

If someone decides to take that content and create AI images/videos out of it... that's a completely different situation.

amacontent 06-24-2023 01:43 PM

Nice explanations guys Much appreciated. And Porn Law wasnt really thinking of legal issue. more ethical.

OneHungLo 06-24-2023 02:04 PM

If a family member contacted me asking to remove it I would definitely take it down but otherwise I’d leave it.

CaptainHowdy 06-24-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 23148205)
As long as it's the content that they signed the model release for... no legal issues...

If someone decides to take that content and create AI images/videos out of it... that's a completely different situation.

Case closed . . .

TheLegacy 06-24-2023 03:18 PM

I do understand the ethical reasons but keep this in mind - if her family wasn't demanding all content be removed from the internet then you're fine ethically - that then is your feelings. Either way you're covered but I do understand. How about this - she shot the content with you - she was young - beautiful and obviously her fans loved her - then I don't think she would mind being remembered in that way. My two cents.

AmeliaG 06-24-2023 03:23 PM

The main reason to appear in media is to be immortalized. Once in a blue moon, I'll remove content, but I think doing it because someone died or because their unsupportive relatives don't like it ... well, half the point is for future generations to be able to see the talent when they were young and beautiful and sexy and compelling on camera.

If someone produces content which talent only participates in for money and typically regrets doing and typically is sad is online, then there might be ethical issues whether or not the model is alive.

Arnox 06-24-2023 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 23148249)
The main reason to appear in media is to be immortalized. Once in a blue moon, I'll remove content, but I think doing it because someone died or because their unsupportive relatives don't like it ... well, half the point is for future generations to be able to see the talent when they were young and beautiful and sexy and compelling on camera.

If someone produces content which talent only participates in for money and typically regrets doing and typically is sad is online, then there might be ethical issues whether or not the model is alive.

Damn, these were exactly my thoughts. There are really compelling arguments on both sides.

J Mac dying of old age in 2070? Yeah, pretty sure he'd be fine with it.

A 20-something meth addict who got into a few amateur productions to make ends meet and she died of an overdose? Not great.

I think it's best to do a good faith analysis of what you think the person in question would want. What was their personality like? Why were they involved in adult entertainment? Was it a long career? Did they actually enjoy their productions?

Tasty1 06-24-2023 08:00 PM

If you delete dead pornstars, Granny Porn would only be visible a few years.

Look Chang 06-24-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 23148314)
If you delete dead pornstars, Granny Porn would only be visible a few years.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

plsureking 06-24-2023 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 23148194)
I see zero issue with it. They didn't withdraw Star Wars when Carrie Fisher died did they? No, she played Princess Lia, and her role lives on (Even bringing her BACK after death, with CGI)

Why is porn different? It isn't - The girls were just as happy playing the role of 'Slut #3 with pigtails' as Carrie was playing the Princess...

The only reason I wouldn't use legitimate content I had paid for and shot would be if the deceased's relatives requested I take it down. Which I would do in a heartbeat.

The only reason I would think less of someone else using content of a dead pornstar, would be if they were billing it it as 'Her Last Scene Before Her Suicide' or something, sensationalising her death...

But business is business, and if you have invested time and money to create and produce a product that is intended for sale... Then for sale it should be.

Besides, 95% of the viewers wouldn't know they had died anyway... & the 5% that did? Well probably they would be pleased that they had got to see another performance by her, and lament the fact that there would be no more... :2 cents:

:2 cents::thumbsup

they'll all die eventually :upsidedow

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mikeet 06-24-2023 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 23148205)
If someone decides to take that content and create AI images/videos out of it... that's a completely different situation.

Yea like thats not gonna happen :/

k0nr4d 06-25-2023 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 23148205)
If someone decides to take that content and create AI images/videos out of it... that's a completely different situation.

Morally? Or is there some legal reason that cannot be done?

pornlaw 06-25-2023 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23148361)
Morally? Or is there some legal reason that cannot be done?

Yes - legal. There are some people who are creating AI images who believe that if they have a signed model release from 10 years ago that gives them rights to recreate content using AI on that particular pornstar/performer.

Legally this issue has yet to be determined by a court.

There's been a few recent lawsuits filed over this issue...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law...publicity-laws

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/de...ht-of-8578503/

Also, there is a push to make non-consensual porn like deepfakes a criminal offense. A bill was introduced in the US Congress last year and a bill was also introduced in NY State I believe. Depending on the language of the bill, these could also apply to use of images in our business.

Its an evolving area of law.

DVTimes 06-25-2023 05:15 AM

If you go into a funeral parler you can use models who have passed away.

In my experience they are still fresh for 3 days.

MaDalton 06-25-2023 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 23148383)
If you go into a funeral parler you can use models who have passed away.

In my experience they are still fresh for 3 days.

And then you wonder why people call you a psycho

amacontent 06-25-2023 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 23148387)
And then you wonder why people call you a psycho

WTF was that man. I mean who sits in front of the computer just to do say something like that ? I really feel sorry for that guy and hope hes not around children. I mean seriously hope hes not.

DVTimes 06-25-2023 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 23148421)
WTF was that man. I mean who sits in front of the computer just to do say something like that ? I really feel sorry for that guy and hope hes not around children. I mean seriously hope hes not.

OK

Shall I post screen grabs of the messages you sent me so people will know what type of person/your company is?

DVTimes 06-25-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 23148421)
hope hes not around children. I mean seriously hope hes not.

Are you saying I abuse children?

Is this remark coming from your business?

Why would you say this?

I am tempted to post screen grabs from the messages you sent me as I suspect no one would order from your site once they read them.

Brad Mitchell 06-25-2023 02:33 PM

If I owned a site, I would take it down. Y’all are kidding yourself saying it’s the same as Carrie Fisher in Star Wars. 9/10 times here we are talking about young women who died of drugs or suicide.

Brad

CaptainHowdy 06-25-2023 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 23148383)
If you go into a funeral parler you can use models who have passed away.

In my experience they are still fresh for 3 days.

Have at it: https://www.coffincuties.com/ . . .

Look Chang 06-25-2023 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 23148383)
If you go into a funeral parler you can use models who have passed away.

In my experience they are still fresh for 3 days.

Even more if bodies are frozen . . . :stoned

plsureking 06-25-2023 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 23148378)
there is a push to make non-consensual porn like deepfakes a criminal offense.

now that is an interesting new term lol

imagine a little AI nerd living in his mom's basement going to jail for fake raping someone.

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just a punk 06-26-2023 01:23 AM

I feel guilty for watching Michael Jackson's music video, knowing he's dead :( I have committed that crime because...


cordoba 06-26-2023 02:56 AM

There are at least 5 or 6 girls who have starred in VR porn who have passed away, and so men are still having sex with them in virtual reality.

This feels a bit different to watching Carrie Fisher in Star Wars.

https://www.vrsmash.com/pornstars/244/August_Ames

geirlur 06-26-2023 03:21 AM

I still use the content but I refrain from posting it to social media since it could upset someone that knew the deceased, seeing it like this without forewarning

The Porn Nerd 06-26-2023 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cordoba (Post 23148627)

This feels a bit different to watching Carrie Fisher in Star Wars.

Not really. I jacked off to Carrie Fisher in that gold bikini. :pimp

shimmy2 06-26-2023 12:58 PM

i cant believe any of this is being discussed or considered after money was paid out and consent forms signed. yall must be richer and have more scruples than me. but left unchecked (esp with amateur models) once you take one down, the line gets longer, and soon you dont' have a site anymore. because youre trying to please video girls/guys who have already been prepaid. please dont be soft leave all the content up you own, sell it forever. anything else is a bad business model, just deal with the heat and hate

pornmasta 06-26-2023 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 23148387)
And then you wonder why people call you a psycho

Don't remember the other thread:
https://m.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/1365972-slash-posts-sexy-babe.html

pornmasta 06-26-2023 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 23148378)
Also, there is a push to make non-consensual porn like deepfakes a criminal offense. A bill was introduced in the US Congress last year and a bill was also introduced in NY State I believe. Depending on the language of the bill, these could also apply to use of images in our business.

Its an evolving area of law.

It is funny, there is never a push to reduce the number of laws and the number of lawyers in the USA.
This is how a society enslaves it's population by shaking financial compensation.
Do you want money? Do you want money?
Then let's have 1 million lawyers and laws for everything !

MaDalton 06-26-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 23148822)

i keep saying that GFY must be in a very sorry state if they let him back in just to drum up some traffic

CaptainHowdy 06-26-2023 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23148685)
Not really. I jacked off to Carrie Fisher in that gold bikini. :pimp

One of my first infant chubys indeed . . .

2MuchMark 06-26-2023 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 23148142)
What do you guys think. Especially models that were young and left us too early, One of my best friends Amber Rayne left us way early. I remember being with her at a Sharks game in San Jose and actually talked about this very thing. She actually said she wanted her videos to be used long after shes gone.

Don't do it. She has passed away, and so should any fantasy. Out of respect for her, her family, her work, and to show that the porn industry has at least a few things good about it, retire her images and clips.

CaptainHowdy 06-26-2023 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 23148926)
Don't do it. She has passed away, and so should any fantasy. Out of respect for her, her family, her work, and to show that the porn industry has at least a few things good about it, retire her images and clips.

I'm all for fantasies dying down so I'm right here with you . . .

plsureking 06-26-2023 06:55 PM

answer from a content owner:

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 23148786)
i cant believe any of this is being discussed or considered after money was paid out and consent forms signed. yall must be richer and have more scruples than me. but left unchecked (esp with amateur models) once you take one down, the line gets longer, and soon you dont' have a site anymore. because youre trying to please video girls/guys who have already been prepaid. please dont be soft leave all the content up you own, sell it forever. anything else is a bad business model, just deal with the heat and hate

answer from a guy who says he doesn't really work in the industry anymore:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 23148926)
Don't do it. She has passed away, and so should any fantasy. Out of respect for her, her family, her work, and to show that the porn industry has at least a few things good about it, retire her images and clips.

its that simple :2 cents:

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The Porn Nerd 06-26-2023 07:33 PM

Bottom line: it all depends on how much cash the dead actress is making you. If it's a lot, you keep it up forever. If it's a little you take it down, who cares (but only if requested).

Look Chang 06-26-2023 08:47 PM

Museums do not remove erotic sculpture of women when the model is dead . . . :2 cents:

https://greecetravelideas.com/wp-con...-Milos-min.jpg

Alex CZ 06-27-2023 09:02 AM

I have some old Danny O content and its selling like hot cakes. So, no for me.

amacontent 06-27-2023 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 23148478)
If I owned a site, I would take it down. Y’all are kidding yourself saying it’s the same as Carrie Fisher in Star Wars. 9/10 times here we are talking about young women who died of drugs or suicide.

Brad

So if a main stream actor dies of an OD. should all his movies be removed from NetFlix and platforms like that.
Google the list of famous actors dying from OD. Its astounding


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