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DVTimes 09-15-2006 05:08 PM

Do you support xpays?
 
Do you support xpays? or do you think they are just being greedy?

After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

squishypimp 09-15-2006 05:09 PM

nah its their rights they deserve some sort of royalties

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:09 PM

Yes Adult Warden supports XPays enforcing their copyright ownership

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

Everything is available for free online...Doesn't mean its legal...

Check out www.torrentspy.com - There is paris's video there...There is also windows...and office...and scripts...Doesn't mean its okay

Tempest 09-15-2006 05:12 PM

XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..

How would it kill them? Not allowing them to act like they have the video and not? If they are providing the video for sale thru Xpays then its allowed? Seems pretty simple to me?

I don't see how it has a impact other then keeping people from being able to make money off copyrighted content that they have no rights to

Far-L 09-15-2006 05:14 PM

As a content company owner I wholeheartedly support Xpays. The videos are owned. Just because they were pirated doesn't make it right for those who profit through illegetimate publication/endorsement of them.

BigRod 09-15-2006 05:15 PM

I totally agree, copywrite law must be upheld!

DVTimes 09-15-2006 05:16 PM

Surly this tape is not the same as content you make.

This was home made.

Its also been out a while.

Tempest 09-15-2006 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Warden
How would it kill them? Not allowing them to act like they have the video and not? If they are providing the video for sale thru Xpays then its allowed? Seems pretty simple to me?

I don't see how it has a impact other then keeping people from being able to make money off copyrighted content that they have no rights to

If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

LiveDose 09-15-2006 05:21 PM

As business owners they are entitled to defend any copyrighted material which they own the rights to. And yes as long as the owners have never ever illegally downloaded any copyrighted mp3's or movies then yes I support them.

After Shock Media 09-15-2006 05:26 PM

I need a third option. Unsure.

I support copyright ownership and the ability to profit or not off of it.
I also support that fair usage should be upheld for the partial use (clip, story, review, so forth) of newsworthy items and or celebrities. Even if the reviewer does not send sales, traffic, or pay royalties to copyright holder. Though I feel they would be liable if they sent traffic to someone else who did not hold the copyright and sold them the video.

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

Even in this situation...Why would you not link to Xpays in reference to where to get the video? If not even to make the sale but a place to get the video.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-15-2006 05:31 PM

I don't know all of the details of the case, however I don't think this is a frivilous lawsuit inasmuch as Evan (Xpays) has made it abundantly (and redundently) clear, that Xpays will go after copyright violaters - they provided plenty of fair warning.

When you dabble in the gray area, be prepared, and when you get into the darker areas, look out.

I think you would be hard pressed to find many content creators who believe copyright infringement is okay, and the same is probably true for most people that own or are granted rights through the licensing of copyrighted content.

Kind of hard to operate a business if everyone is stealing your content and reaping profits that rightfully belong to you.

ADG Webmaster

OldSchoolJim 09-15-2006 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.

Good riddance i say....i think you should have to pay a royalty...i hardly think people are writing "news" about the clips anyhow....after all...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??

pocketkangaroo 09-15-2006 05:34 PM

I support his right to go after people. If he took the risk in paying big bucks for it, he should be the only ones profiting from it. I do think his gloating about lawsuits and scare tactics do scare away potential affiliates.

selena 09-15-2006 05:35 PM

Based on my limited knowledge of the situation, I'd have to say that yes, I do support xpays.

sicone 09-15-2006 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.


What???

hmmm, how about sending all the traffic from that to the sponsor who owns the content.

Doesnt seem like that hard of a concept to me.

And yes, I 100% support Xpays in this

scottybuzz 09-15-2006 05:40 PM

I see it pretty black and white really.

Xpays own the video

Other businesses were selling the video without xpays permission via there own billing.

Say I had gone and ripped mrskin etc website and copied the code and made a complete copy. Would this be allowed ? no. They have copyright over it.

Same with xpays.

Just because this video is majorly popular does not make the law all the colours of the rainbow.

I laugh at some of the hypocricy, that when someone steals someones normal porn content. all hell is blown loose on the forums and everyone agrees with the original content holder and calls the other a theif and a scammer.

Same with xpays, they own the fucking video! therefore noone should copy it.

I do not see how some people on this board are sticking up for those at fault.

quite beyond me.

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:40 PM

I am really surprised and bothered by the poll results thus far

scottybuzz 09-15-2006 05:42 PM

I also believe xpays have gone the right way about this aswell. They warned people before hand. they made threats and thankfully they have gone through with those threats. Good riddance to theifs, whoever they may be.

scottybuzz 09-15-2006 05:42 PM

^ The judge will decide if they are guilty or not though

SomeCreep 09-15-2006 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Do you support xpays? or do you think they are just being greedy?

After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.

What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

Damn I just noticed that...Interesting to see who voted which tho

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 05:46 PM

Does this mean we can rip the content of the sites of the people who voted no?

scottybuzz 09-15-2006 05:49 PM

hahahaha wouldnt they keep up a fuss at that adult warden lol!

Ive had a few people comment on my site foxyreviews at how I have brooke skye etc on there and how the owners could easily sue me, but I got permission first :) always a smart thing to do

Tempest 09-15-2006 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Warden
Even in this situation...Why would you not link to Xpays in reference to where to get the video? If not even to make the sale but a place to get the video.

So every person out there that runs a blog and posts about it with screen captures and maybe a video clip should be forced to sign up to XPays first? Even if they're primarily mainstream? What about new agencies?? Is XPays going to make every news agency out there pay them or put up links to them for using the term "Hotel Heiress"? This lawsuit opens up more issues than just copyright infrigement.

Tempest 09-15-2006 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicJim
...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??

You're smarter than that.

Tempest 09-15-2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?

Pretty smart, not.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Didn't notice that.. That's going to push it to one side and end up not being truly representative.

scottybuzz 09-15-2006 06:00 PM

ahh tempest has a good point. maybe my point is not so clear cut

Barefootsies 09-15-2006 06:33 PM

I agree they should have the right to enforce their copyright on it.

I think it's been made clear for a long time that this video, much like Playboy, Perfect 10, and Suz Randall are shit you need to stay away from (amung others).

However, I do not agree with the way this is being blown up into a huge issue. It's going to send a ripple effect to others who are int he celebrity niche, even those NOT in hardcore.

It reminds me of the stuff with the RIAA a few years back.

I'm not saying the Xpays should not enforce it. Nor that they do not have the rights, because they obviously do. I just do not agree with the broader implications this brings.

:2 cents:

Brujah 09-15-2006 08:04 PM

I'm split 50/50 for several reasons, and I think they could handle it much better and make a lot more money. However, I hesitate to do much business with them and am constantly reconsidering it because they are always trying to sue someone, always threatening people, including affiliates, getting their own affiliates pages DMCA'd, etc.. It's just EASIER to avoid them and their program, and easier to stop finding traffic to send them.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 09-15-2006 08:19 PM

I support them 100%.:thumbsup

baddog 09-15-2006 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..


why do you think that?

ronbotx 09-15-2006 08:28 PM

Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?

http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

baddog 09-15-2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Its also been out a while.


not so long that the copyright has expired

Adult Warden 09-15-2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronbotx
Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?

http://207.46.19.60/presspass/press/...rcementfs.mspx

So...since they got sued they can't sue others?

baddog 09-15-2006 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest
If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.


you think as an affiliate they are going to deny allowing you to use their sponsor content?

baddog 09-15-2006 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Warden
I am really surprised and bothered by the poll results thus far


Only one name surprises me, and I sure wish he would post his opinion . . especially since he sells content.

nico-t 09-15-2006 08:33 PM

this poll is useless...


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