Why do some sponsors expect to pay $300 and get $600 products?
 

I raised this in another thread but think it needs asking in it's own.

Many sponsors today realise the effectiveness and benefits of having great content. They also realise it can't be shot on a shoestring budget, and can't be bought cheap even if it can be produced cheap. Great content has a value to it regardless of the price it costs to create.

A value in traffic by the affiliates it attracts, the galleries accepted, the surfers attention, conversions and retention.

So why do other sponsors think because a guy in the Ukraine who picked up a camera last month/year will shoot it for peanuts every one else should?

Are the making so little they can't afford to pay more?

Or do they not realise the difference between good and bad content? So to them it all converts the same.

Is it worth more to spend money on more traffic than it is to convert more traffic?

Running a paysite with good content is not hard, affiliates and surfers know the difference, it's also very profitable.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. So don't be surprised or complain if their work is bananas.

it's called a business competition , you better think about how to improve your marketing then trying to bust a cheap nut here :2 cents:

Plus - and thats the nr1 reason why were not buying content in the Ukraine - the mess 'content producers' in the Ukraine create with IDs and releases.

Photoshopped, not there, 'will send later', the horror stories.

EU content only for us. Period.

lol youre funny - Paul doesnt need marketing everyone knows him.

Who are you again?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Brilliant reply. Didn't expect anything else.

dude , I'll stick your wooden shoes up to your ass.

http://blogs.ipswitch.com/archives/You're%20Fired.jpg

Too true, I need to improve my marketing so I can shoot complete scenes for $300 a pop. :1orglaugh

So basically you're telling me that both me n Paul are right and Ukrainian content producers make one big mess of IDs and releases?

I didn't said that , don't put words in my mouth.

Paul is bitching about Star69 , it's obvious , ain't it ?

Star69 is a guy from Ukraine shooting some content , and recently I see many threads about him and many positive feedbacks from people who bought from him.

You really know what's going on about id releases or you just jumping Paul's wagon ? ask yourself.

If your quality so much better then "some guy with camera from Ukraine" then I guess he's not really competition for you , and therefore you shouldn't be worried and creating such provocation threads... :2 cents:

You truly do not have a clue do you?

I'm not bitching about Star69 at all. I'm bitching about sponsors who think they can buy good quality content for peanuts.

I'm bitching about sponsors who think shooters and models can work 8 hours and produce something that will make a surfer get his wallet out, OK an in general comment but true.

Even if it costs only $5 to produce why sell it for $300, if it will sell 20 times via a broker for $50 a pop?

Good content has a value that has no relationship to it's production costs.

Star69 is taking advantage of these guys, good luck to him. :thumbsup

noone mentioned star69 - Ive seen pics from him never dealt with him so I have no clue if hes cool or not

backup your acquisitions before you post something k

now you sounds much better Paul , that's good.

again as I said , it's all about competition.

everyone playing different strategies , your biz model is far away from being any standard.

anyhow , let's forget about this mysterious guy from "Ukraine shooting content" we are definatelly not going to point our fingers here , I'm glad you got the point.

good luck to Star69 as well.

Have to agree.

then who is some guy from Ukraine mentioned above ?

who are you trying to fool here ?

huh ?

Noone

I was talkin about general Ukrainian photographers, we all had our deals and stories, talked to the owner of a huge program on here yday bout this he told me an alike story as well.

Ripoff, fake docs, it happens and just more often with Ukrainian content producers.

Never said a word bout Star69. If he produces content and has all docs in place and hes good then Im sure many will OK him here.

shut up , fool.

Another guy who does not get it.

These guys are not competing with me, I don't want Eva and Katka shooting all day long for peanuts, I don't even want custom work. I'm talking about sponsors who expect to pay $300 and get something worth $600, the prices are relevant.

If you only want to pay rubbish, why do you expect to get quality for it?

The bottom line is if these guys could shoot content that was capable of selling 20 times at $50, again prices relevant, I could buy off them and make a nice profit and have the content for ever. So could any other content provider.

Which is fine.

If you read Star69's thread you will see guys complaining about "Russian" content. The models, clothing, props, make up, locations, images, photography, pornography are not up to scratch. All are complaining the product is not good enough, how many are offering to pay twice as much for the product so the producers can invest more in it?

why do you worry so much about others ?
If they're doing something wrong more power to you because
you'll get a bigger piece of the pie.

Of course there are many good shooters working on a good budget for good sponsors who understand the value of good content. Like Thinkx and many more.

When I talk about "Russian" photographers it's a bad term. there are good Russian shooters and I have bought from them.

I've seen work from guys in the US, UK, Germany, CZ, HU and other places which sucks. Yet most of them can direct me to a sponsor who is buying it. And it still sucks even if it's on his site.

One of the commonest problems is lack of investment. Shooting too much content on the day, models and shooters are not machines and do not create a lot of excitement much beyond a third scene in a day.

And of course lack of skills/experience. Very common mistakes that are repeated time and time again.

Every bad site on the Net harms the industry as a whole.

wrong, every bad site make the best ones stand out.
its a free market, if things wouldn't work out for them they'd stop doing it.

Who doesn't think like that.

Not nesseary,unless someone install spyware and dialers and other bad things on surfer computer

sigh
we're talking about content here.

Not everyone is blessed with your amazing intellect, Paul. Be kind to those less fortunate.

Maybe they expect low prices from you, because your content/style is overused?

lol don't mind me man I am just here to bug you ;)))

Paul..... Most of the sponsors you talk of aren't really sponsors but are really more like webmasers who have invested a few thousand dollars into web design and purchsed some content - and are trying to make money but really aren't.

same reason that some people want banners for 23 cents each and galleries 10 for 5 bucks. There are people out there that will do it that cheap, and then people start thinking that's the going rate. It's the same thing in any type of market.

Sorry but you are wrong, let's be honest about this we dick around, over sell, lie and mislead the surfer too often. If the "bad" sites were in the minority you would be right. As it is how many surfers say "Fuck this, my credit card stays in my pocket." Compared to those who willingly get them out?

Are you converting 1-100 or 1-1,000? And then what is the industry average?

Do you think it would be a better average if we delivered a better more honest product?

Surfers don't think with their pockets when they're horny.

man, do you think before you hit submit?

possible

rofl no. he's a pompous ass that just says the first thing that comes to mind and enjoys trying to prove that what he said is true/reality even though he knows it's not. I bet paul was on the debate team in highschool

but what do I know... I'm just a n00b.

Paul the only thing that has gotten me with the prices of some content people is sets of photos 40 photos 80$ and things like that. I am sure that they shot at least 200+ photos of each set. So lets see them.

HAHHAHA I don't post here much but I had to login to tell you what a fuck head you are.

deflate your ego for a moment paul, good content is good for business - I agree there, but to be so arrogant to say that bad content hurts the industry is a feat of a true asshole.

this business has always thrived on shitty content, think about almost every half assed porn dvd you've ever seen - they greatly outnumber the quality productions made but yet people still buy porn.

fact.. there are a certain fraction of people who will only wank to high definition full screen movies but the average joe could probably beat off to a stick figure with tits, poor content doesn't hurt the business FREE content hurts the business.

what hurts this industry is petty asinine content producers, webmasters, and program owners who'd rather squabble over whose fault it is the conversion ratio average is now 1:1000 than address the real issues like the government's assault on freedom of speech, the rampant increase of free content, and the lack of reputable agregators (by the way, without which there would be no revenue made from your high and mighty content)

you even stated that surfers and webmasters can tell the difference between high and low quality content (which is obviously true, anyone can look at a quality exclusive scene and know it's not some handy-cam job) but why does it have to cost big $$$? Because that's business and industry average right? Well some people compete on price and these shit-poor "developing" countries can get by pennies on the dollar. No need to be bitter - they obviously do a much worse job than you, but still there's no competition because surfers and webmasters can tell the difference so says you.

think on that for a while.

sincerely,

fuck you

because it's human nature.
next?

Debate requires that you have SOME respect for a difference of opinion. :2 cents:

Very true. So taking advantage of them when they are horny and then after you have their money disappointing them is a good, bad or irrelevance?

We are selling a months membership, not a 20 minute membership.

Yes BD I do think.

And I'm not talking about good/bad photography. I'm talking about porn shot on a budget that a good guy will not shoot for and could not get a product out that was that good.

Now everyone who shoots for peanuts can jump in and tell us how fantastic their work is.