Tired of getting your sales stolen?
 

Then you need to contact the programs you push and tell them they need to file lawsuits against programs stealing traffic via spyware and other related products (Zango)

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Something needs to be done NOW or this shit will continue until affiliates are a thing of the past and programs just steal from other programs. Round and round we go...

All it takes is a class action lawsuit against a big program such as AFF...

or someone could just own zangos servers and forward all traffic to www.hai2u.com

wow... that'd be fucking sweet!

I don't mind zango. I just buy ads from them and steal back the sales they are stealing.


:winkwink: j/k.

mmmmhmmm O_o

adapt or die. the law of the jungle is still in effect.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh troll. so who's fake nick are you?

bump in the trunk

That's just disgusting.....

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porno jew is pry someone doing this fucking codec installing...

sperm I totaly agree with you. It is going to take us standing up as an industry to get some of this shit stopped.

That's the problem actually, everyone thinks we ALL have to be together on fighting this one, but it doesn't really have to be the case. In reality, any sponsor getting their visitors hijacked at point-of-sale can file a suit against Zango and whoever bids on hijacking the visitor on their domain name. So all it takes is a few sponsors to file class action against these clowns and they're toast.

I'm sure that you'll do your part and take a lower payout to help pay for the lawsuit.

Thing is, if the lawsuit won't happen, sponsors themselves may end up taking considerable paycuts. :)

I think the every day webmaster should ban together, take time away from everything they do, spend the extra money and efforts, to fight spyware. It's your money, sales, and traffic..

Or do you really want someone else to spend the money and time to protect your money and traffic?

I have something in the works, something very good for this whole situation...

So how to you suggest that I, as an affiliate, file a suit against either Zango or their advertisers for hijacking traffic I send to any sponsor? What argument would you bring up in court, in order to explain the loss I am taking due to this?

Is it a class action suit? :Graucho

Adult Sponsors are relying on the old "beer and pussy at convention" defense, hoping that anyone with enough money to afford a lawyer in the right jurisdiction will be on their suckup list and they won't have to worry.

Sponsors knowingly paying for "stolen" or redirected surfers (especially now that Zango has paid a fine for misleading or downright fraudulent installs) are running a huge risk that someone will pop up and paper them over.

SPONSORS! WAKE UP! The alarm clock is going off, do something before someone does it for you, with teeth.

zango will bend over and take it very soon

The problem is you don't know what Zango is. It's not spyware. It's legal, thats the bitch. I have Zango members - so how in hell am I going to prove loss?

Zango was hit for some nasty crap they did, or they say affiliates did. Point of that case showed they can and did get away with it. Until you can prove "Zango" is doing illegal/forced installs - you have no case.

You can send a C&D on keyword bids on your domain, but you can't sue them unless you own the trademark.

Who are you fucking kidding???

Go visit the majority of big sponsors paysites..

Who's fucking in the pop-up & consoles? AFF!

I dropped all promotion of mayors money because they advertise Adult Friend Finder..

I dropped many sponsors & will continue to drop every single one of them that promotes AFF or Cams.com or any of their products.

Their was one the other night I was going to consider promoting, but nope.. fucking AFF console so fuck them too.


you know what.. I think we need to make a thread & list every single sponsor that promotes AFF or sends traffic to AFF..

Zango as an application may be legal. But the advertising methods employed by them aren't. I believe there have been lawsuits where people got fucked for bidding on competitor's names on PPC engines and stuff like that. How's Zango any different? And if that doesn't work, see the quote in the first post of this thread. I believe hijacking a potential client at the point-of-sale could prove to be heavily frowned upon by any judge, as well as the FTC.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/11/zango.htm

"Consumers' computers belong to them, and they shouldn't have to accept any content they don’t want," said Lydia Parnes, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "If consumers choose to receive pop-up ads, so be it. But it violates federal law to secretly install software that forces consumers to get pop-ups that disrupt their computer use."

That's the problem, they aren't stealing a clients at the point-of-sale. They POP an exit, which they are allowed to do, and they can reset the cookie, which is legal for tracking.

Its not normal spyware where it shows a different join page or redirects you to a new location. It just pops a ad..

Cool, let's go back to the McD/BK analogy I used earlier. You're hungry and on your way to enter BK, when someone from McD stands in front of you as you're about to walk through the door, with a huge sign advertising McD. Think that would fly? :winkwink:

This is about the biggest thing webmasters could do as a whole. The problem is GFY is only a small % of webmasters. Many people over the last several months have said they dropped Zango backed sponsors

Yet ranking wise, on alexa at least, it doesn't seem to have hurt them at all.

I can see, record, and track this..

With Spyware I can't see it, track it, it changes every day, instead of 1, its millions, I can't stop it by calling the police. With my visitors they often do not know they are being taken away.

Zango isn't spyware, I can see it, but I can't stop it, I can't call the police, I could block the visitors but I have Zango members, so that would be stupid.

Doesn't make it less shady and just because they haven't been challenged in court yet doesn't mean it can't be done successfully. All you need is a slick lawyer. :)

Not only do we need to drop zango backed sponsors, but also drop those who promote & send traffic to zango backed sponsors.

Lately, I've been checking sites & I will remove every single ad, link, gallery etc to any sponsor that promotes AFF.

What also pisses me off, is friggen sponsors who pop an AFF console IN FRONT OF THE TOUR YOU'RE SELLING!!!

That won't help. ANYONE can bid on ANY domain name with Zango. So just because you send traffic to sponsor X doesn't mean AFF won't bid on that domain name to intercept your traffic. Worse yet, someone else can bid on that domain name using the same sponsor and simply have Zango pop a console to overwrite the set cookie containing your refid.

Won't work.

HUH ????

Can someone explain to me what AFF and Zango are doing? I haven't been here is awhile.

If enough webmasters told sponsor X that they're going to drop traffic because sponsor X is promoting AFF, I think sponsor x would likely consider dropping their advertising campain for AFF. What I suggested was not so much about zango, but about stopping traffic to those who support zango's biggest client.

When people started to do that to cams and aff, all they did was start to turn an even more blind eye to bullshit content theiving pieces of shit, and they take the traffic from there. They are having a hard time finding enough greed sucks to push their contest thread along around here, I think most people have figured out that they don't want to do business with them at this point.

i have seen spyware for aff since 2001 when i first got infected by one... they dont care its all about greed

fucking eh I would. If with Zango in the mix I do 10 35PPS/day versus w/o Zango I do 15 25PPS/day I'll take the 15 sales.

i think informing your surfers of whats going on would be the best thing. let them know what zango is and does and inform them of the latest tactics people are using to get the installs (ie: "codec" installs).

using smokeys notification script, redirect zango infected surfers that visit your site to an alternative page informing them that they are infected, why they should remove it, and how to get it off their systems.

education is the real cure for this problem.