TGP/freesites/blogs and 2257
 

OK I'm looking to see ideas on what some of you are planning in regards to operating free sites and dealing with 2257 the way it's been proposed.

I personally don't think even text will be safe in the long run, as I believe they intend to target them as well.

I haven't seen any affiliate programs come out and say they will provide the needed material, so that puts us guys that operate free sites between the rock and a hard place.

Honestly the only way I can even see a free site remaining legal is to run your own pay-sites and build the free sites around them and just promote your own sites and the few affiliate programs that will provide the 2257 info.

So I'm wondering what others plan to do?

Hmm I guess I haven't heard of the changes. I have always just had a text link at the bottom linking to the sponsors 2257 page.

That doesn't cut it anymore.

what if you are using 10-20 sponsors in your free sites? you just make a page for all of their 2257 infos?

It doesn't matter anymore because that no longer cut it. They expect secondary producers to have the records themselves.

damn thats "OUCH"! :( so no sponsors want to do their stuff?

Wow thats fucking bullshit. Hopefully the girls I launch take off so I am no longer an affiliate :P

And also your 2257 info must contain YOUR name and YOUR address of where you keep your records.

Sucks to be a US based webmaster. Some programs will provide the info, others will not. At this point, the secondary stuff is still up the air, at least on the level of how it will be applied. Considering the pace of current 2257 inspections, they will get around to secondary producer webmasters about the same time that Britney Spears kids get arrested for selling drugs in Hollywood.

Meet me in the Bahamas.

It just seems like more and more they want to make the person responsible for their content on their site and all the sites that they link to. I know that recently there has some been precidence set for this, but wow this new 2257 crap is just stupid. If the person who took the photos has the proper records, why can't you just provide that contact data?

yay that sucks.. so, there is new future for noob adult webmaster like me.. or even the big guys! :helpme

i hope the law about this should atleast be change for secondary provider.. how if you are not in the US? but your hosting is a us based company? this wuld suck for us for sure!!!!

Most people are going to shut down their TGPs. That way they will not be arrested and thrown in jail. In a few weeks, there will be no more TGPs or freesites on the internet.

Don't we all wish. I remember the last time this was all going down, so many noobs selling their stuff for dirt cheap money. Maybe this will get the ones who are not in it for the long run, giving too much away for free, to fall away and let us make some money.

Yeah it may be a nice anal cleansing honestly

right....

If you are an American citizen you still have to comply with US laws, reguardless of where you live. If you do business with US customers, you have to comply with US laws.

Hope this helps...
 

Don't confuse the 2257 record keeping statement with the "custodian of records" documentation that indicates the actual info on the "actors" held at the company who has the actual rights to the content...

The two main parts of the 2257 is a statement saying "actor(s)" are 18+ and the actual street address on where the "custodian of records" is located ...

There is no real reason why adult web master should not have a 2257 statement on their website(s)... Now getting all the "actors" personal information may be a very different story; now if you are just an associate of an adult program then just indicate that your not the "custodian of records" keeper, but who actually does hold such records on the "actors"...

If you buy content and have the rights, including the "actors" information then yea... you must indicate your place of business in your 2257 record statement linked off of your adult site(s) at the very bottom on where the legal types can examine such records...

Spend a few thousands and get yourself some legal advice if you have any questions...


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I'm not asking about a statment.. I assume you haven't read the new regulations, because they intend to treat any secondary producers the same as a primary. Meaning you need to have full records and be your own custodian of records.

There is no more pointing to someone elses custodian of records page. You yourself are now required to have all of the records, under the new guidelines.

Are these not two separate statements? Everyone who isn't a US citizen and doesn't have a presence in the US will have US customers.. What will make us follow 2257?

Nothing, but if they decided to make you a target they could likely legally go after you. The last group of guys that got busted doing online gambling were Canadian citizens with their company set up in one of those Caribbean islands.

However, that didn't stop the US from grabbing them when they set foot on US soil. So if you do biz with US customers, if you don't follow US laws you could be subject to them coming after you.

I guess you'd have to be a pretty big fish, and even then they'd have trouble with this one.. An international company breaking another countries.... RECORD KEEPING laws? ;)

Yea right crockett... your full of shit !
 

Perhaps you should hire a law office or two as to clarify things for you... I'm not going to waiste my time teaching you...

Since you seem to have all this knowledge then what is your website(s); since there is a difference between theory and practice and since you are talking like an expert this should be very easy for you...

I would like to see you back up your mouth with a proper adult website displayed...

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I didn't ask you to teach me anything. I asked how other "webmasters" planed to deal with the new changes to 2257. It seems you have no clue what the new changes are being you think a simple link is still ok.

Perhaps it's you that needs to consult a lawyer..

2257 is bullshit American law. So no I don't see why non-American should have to abide by it. China and Iran have anti-porn laws. Does that mean you wouldn't sell to Chinese and Iranians if you could making money off that traffic? Sure you would.

If you have a text site you are fine for the moment.

I stopped promoting everything except for 2 sponsors right now, I used to promote like at least 10 before.

One of the sponsors I am using is Naughty America. They DO give out model id's to gold status affiliates. Try them, they rebill excellent and have a ton of sites so never run out of sites to promote.

Check it out here

Yes, I am losing a lot of money by not promoting some of the other stuff I was using before, but there's not much I can do.

Sorry, but for this you are wrong.

If you are an American citizen, you must comply with US law if you are living and / or operating in the US. Companies and individuals who live outside of the US are no more subject to US labeling laws than a European radio station would be subject to the FCC.

We don't export a product, we sell traffic. My surfers are entirely 2257 compliant.

Do you plan on traveling to Iran or China anytime soon? I'm sure if you did, and they found out what you do, breaks one of their laws. Well I'm sure it would likely cause you trouble once you entered their countries.

You are crazy if you think being an American citizen and just moving offshore allows you to ignore US laws. Ask the guys from Netteller how well that worked out for them.

You can ignore the laws - but then you risk coming back. Kinda hard to check their "arrest on arrival" list before landing. :)

What I'm still unclear about is whether an International citizen COULD make a list for breaking this US law? I mean it's meant for US citizens and companies! I mean with this logic, I already can't go to china? You'd think you'd have to do something bad *in* china to be arrested for it? They could arrest me just for having my websites? I guess china can do what they want..

But I have a hard time believing they're going to make a big list of non-american webmasters to arrest on arrival

I don't think so, so it's likely a mute point right now for non US citizens. Unless you became a target. In reality, if you do business inside the US with US customers, then legally you are bound by US laws, even if you live outside the US.

Now if you would be put on an arrest on arrival list I have no clue, I would doubt it unless they had you targeted for something. Meaning they likely wouldn't arrest you for not complying with something like 2257 but if they suspected or had proof you were deal in CP or something like that then they likely would.

Would likely work the same for any country, not just the US. It's just like when China and Germany were threating webmasters out side their countries a few years back.

Anyway this isn't a topic about what's right or wrong or what a govt can or can't do. Rather a topic asking what other webmasters plan to do. Seems no one has any plans or they don't care yet.

Good points. I think everyone is waiting for the final decision before making any panic plays, because things could change. It's pretty clear that free sites as we know them from the USA are going to be a thing of the past though, when reality sets in. I don't think many people really get this yet.

What will probably happen is webmasters will still do nothing, make no changes (or make the wrong ones) and wait for people to start getting busted. When webmasters start crying here that they have to go to court and are facing jailtime - then people will start to pull their sites and make plans.

so with the internet live and kicking I have to comply not only with US laws but with every god damn country on the planet.. right? thats kind of tricky and I'm pretty sure that seriously few US webmasters have studied norwegian laws ..

In the strict sense of the law yes. If you do biz in a country, in most cases you would be required to follow their laws. I just depends how each country considers the Internet in regards to doing biz.

Now it's unlikely, you would ever become a target by another country, unless you were scamming or producing illegal content. So in most cases it's a mute point. However I don't think I'd travel to China and tell them I sell porn online, same with Germany or the UK.

For the average person out side the US, it likely won't be an issue. However I'm inside the US and a US citizen so it is an issue for me.

At this point, the only way I can see operating a legal free site, would be if I onlt deal with programs that provide me with 2257 info, or run my own paysites and just promote them.

So you wanna say these won't fly anymore:
http://pornaccess.com/2257.php
http://deluxepass.com/usc2257.php?tpl=2&cat=tn
http://www.pornpayperview.com/compli...ont_delete.cfm

Right?

Just wonder...