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cykoe6 07-25-2008 07:36 AM
Noam Chomsky on Pornography
 
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Pornography, says the sage of MIT, is "disgraceful," "a humiliation and degradation of women." Does it matter, the interviewer wonders, that most porn performers "choose to do the job and get paid?" Chomsky offers this labored analogy in response: "The fact that women agreed to it and are paid is about as convincing as the fact that we should be in favor of sweatshops in China where woman are locked into the factory and work fifteen hours a day and then the factory burns down and they all die. They were paid and they consented, but it doesn't make me in favor of it." And for all of you porn consumers out there, Chomsky wants you to know that if you get "pleasure out of the humiliation of women [you] have a problem." So how do we improve the lot of porn performers? By banning "the degradation of woman" and "eliminating the conditions in which woman cannot get decent jobs; not permit abusive and destructive behavior."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SNlRoaFTHuE

tony286 07-25-2008 07:41 AM
working as waitress can be much more humiliating than working in porn.

Mutt 07-25-2008 08:01 AM
i love out of touch eggheads who know nothing of which they speak

stickyfingerz 07-25-2008 08:02 AM
Noam Chomsky is a complete moron and always has been. Long before he made this retarded statement. :2 cents:

tony286 07-25-2008 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14505688)
Noam Chomsky is a complete moron and always has been. Long before he made this retarded statement. :2 cents:
you might disagree with man I do also but he is far from a moron.

Princess Ellisa 07-25-2008 08:10 AM
You know I loathed this guy in university, in my 3rd year English class he kept popping up and now I see just because we studied him doesn't make him brilliant... he is even more of an idiot than I originally suspected.

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 08:14 AM
Those who work in sweatshops do not have the choice to work anywhere else... How the fuck does that compare to the majority of porn actresses? lol While you have some porn that do humiliate women... id say most is just straight fucking.. and if fucking on camera is degrading, then he should talk about how much of a victim the porn actor is too... lol

PR_Glen 07-25-2008 08:30 AM
he has some brilliant thoughts on a lot of subjects but this is definitely not one of them. What he should have said instead was "I do not know anything about the subject so I can not make a comment on it that would have any value." but when you are thought of as a genius for too long you end up thinking you know better than everyone else on everything i guess...

buzzy 07-25-2008 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net (Post 14505758)
Those who work in sweatshops do not have the choice to work anywhere else... How the fuck does that compare to the majority of porn actresses?
Because most of them are crack addicts that can't get a job anywhere else?

xmas13 07-25-2008 08:43 AM
I've always said far left and far right are equally lethal ideologies when it comes to adult business.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831299/
I Really Hate My Job (2007)
Plot: 'Every day is another day closer to the day I'll never have to do this again.' Five women, one restaurant...

His bio says "anarchist", "socialist" and influenced by "Karl Marx".

What did you expect from this frustrated moron? Words of praise?

xmas13 07-25-2008 08:44 AM
Chomsky should stick to his original area of expertise, linguistics.

Noam Chomsky
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:))))

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 14505850)
Because most of them are crack addicts that can't get a job anywhere else?

Most of them? give me a fucking break... What sites are you joining? Dirty Danza sites? While there is certainly girls that do drugs in an excessive manner, this is for the most part a lifestyle that they chose... Not all have been raped... Plenty of webmasters here do drugs in an excessive manner.. we know some names... some very succesful.. Are they victims? No... People need to take responsibilities for their decisions and actions... Sweatshop workers in China dont have any decision to make.. Its do or die

woj 07-25-2008 09:22 AM
I always thought he is a pretty bright guy, pretty surprised he would say that..

SykkBoy 07-25-2008 09:38 AM
He's a bright guy, but it doesn't mean he's never wrong...like he is in this case...

plsureking 07-25-2008 09:44 AM
haha who's gonna agree with him on gfy :1orglaugh

Brujah 07-25-2008 09:47 AM
He's not absolutely wrong though, there's still enough truth to what he's saying. Porn is one of the few career options that can attract those who are self-destructive and assist them in further destroying their lives.

CaptainHowdy 07-25-2008 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 14506165)
He's not absolutely wrong though, there's still enough truth to what he's saying. Porn is one of the few career options that can attract those who are self-destructive and assist them in further destroying their lives.
:2 cents: ...

Juilan 07-25-2008 10:03 AM
Brilliant on other issues, puritanical and not progessive on this one. Nobodies perfect.

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 14506165)
He's not absolutely wrong though, there's still enough truth to what he's saying. Porn is one of the few career options that can attract those who are self-destructive and assist them in further destroying their lives.
alcohol, gambling, fast food, prescription meds, etc.. can do the same.. :2 cents:

Burridge 07-25-2008 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net (Post 14506294)
alcohol, gambling, fast food, prescription meds, etc.. can do the same.. :2 cents:
none of those are career options :2 cents:

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Burridge (Post 14506347)
none of those are career options :2 cents:
the parallel is ofcourse that self-destructive or people with deep unresolved issues can also destroy their lives further with things we take for granted such as those I mentioned... Things that Id think Chomsky doesnt find immoral or unacceptable ..

Pleasurepays 07-25-2008 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14505572)
working as waitress can be much more humiliating than working in porn.
ha!

thats kinda funny... if you take personal accountability out of the decision making process... and consider that the list can certainly get long as to what is "degrading" and "humiliating" you could then use the same logic to insist that everyone who participates or benefits directly or indirectly has "a problem" which is basically everyone.

testpie 07-25-2008 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14505551)
Banning the degradation of women? There goes your freedom of choice, and ergo, state of sexual equality as a woman if Chomsky gets his way...

Burridge 07-25-2008 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net (Post 14506408)
the parallel is ofcourse that self-destructive or people with deep unresolved issues can also destroy their lives further with things we take for granted such as those I mentioned... Things that Id think Chomsky doesnt find immoral or unacceptable ..
i don't think it's possible to take a career in porn "for granted". A career in porn isn't as accessible as being able to engage in gambling, eat fast food or even acquire prescription meds (legally or not).

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Burridge (Post 14506548)
i don't think it's possible to take a career in porn "for granted". A career in porn isn't as accessible as being able to engage in gambling, eat fast food or even acquire prescription meds (legally or not).
you miss my point dude..

pornguy 07-25-2008 11:15 AM
Sadly what he says can be easily used to help shape america.

xxxdesign-net 07-25-2008 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Burridge (Post 14506548)
i don't think it's possible to take a career in porn "for granted". A career in porn isn't as accessible as being able to engage in gambling, eat fast food or even acquire prescription meds (legally or not).

I should have said "see as normal or acceptable" instead of "take for granted"

Trixie 07-25-2008 03:07 PM
Ugh. Being anti-porn and anti-sex work is like a cult that renders even the brilliant totally fucking retarded. Not much can be more humiliating & degrading to me as a woman than some smart ass pseudo-liberal pseudo-feminist telling me I'm too fucking dumb to know what I want to do or when I'm being humiliated & degraded.

He makes it sound like I and women like me are just stupid animals who need real humans like him to do the thinking for us. It cracks me up that he can go around championing free speech when it comes to freaks who claim the holocaust never happened, but women's speech and their choices should be suppressed and limited.

Couldn't even stand to watch the video but thanks for posting something that's actually thought provoking here on GFY.

mynameisjim 07-25-2008 03:33 PM
The mainstream movie business has never chewed up and spit out any actors either. Nor has the mainstream music business created a bunch of washed up, drug addicted former stars.

The entertainment business is tough and exploitative no matter what facet you happen to be involved in.

MediaGuy 07-25-2008 05:45 PM
Chomsky uses his left-wing bias to interpret history nowadays, which is fine.

Hi wor in linguistics prior to becoming this media darling was more impressive.

This "opinion" he might have on us is ludicrous... what, is he running for office now or something?

pr0 07-25-2008 06:01 PM
people start thinking that way when their dick doesn't work anymore...

thats my theory

ucv.karl 07-25-2008 10:24 PM
He didn't know what "The Hustler" was?

So he just did the interview without taking 10 seconds and searching google?

This is self-ownage at its finest.

klinton 07-26-2008 01:58 AM
he is somehow right

Klen 07-26-2008 02:06 AM
That is complete bullshit.He said that like woman choosed to do porn as they dont have any other choice.Then why somany woman with college degree rather doing porn instead that for what they did go to college ?

yahoo-xxx-girls.com 07-26-2008 02:17 AM
Wait one second !
 
Sexuality is just a part of humanity and for Noam Chomsky to make remarks that he has on the subject of ladies making their sexuality public, as being degrading; only shows his personal level of comfort on the subject. His logic seems to show a contempt for those who express themselves publicly in regards to their sexual acts. If people over 18 wish to make their lives public then why the attitude to degrade their choice of life style... Its Noam Chomsky who is putting down others in this instance...

Trixie 08-01-2008 01:05 PM
A little follow-up quote here with Howard Zinn of all people also being an idiot about sex work (with commentary from Audacia Ray):

http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/2008...-sex-industry/

DaddyHalbucks 08-01-2008 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 14505905)
I've always said far left and far right are equally lethal ideologies when it comes to adult business.
Good point.

:upsidedow

Connor 08-01-2008 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14505572)
working as waitress can be much more humiliating than working in porn.
So so true Tony.... you know, to be COMPLETELY honest with you, I think often it's more degrading to be the one PAYING for porn than the one being spotlighted in porn. This isn't 1970... women aren't in the same unbalanced reality that they were in 20 or 30 years ago. It's not like it's a choice between porn and starvation, as it is with the people who work in sweat shops. This quote proves that people can be smart and capable in some areas, and TOTALLY CLUELESS in others.

Some advice to Noam... no matter how much you claim to advocate for women, you're STILL not going to get laid when you look like this:

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/noamchomsky.jpg

But maybe your mom will be proud.

Connor 08-01-2008 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 14506165)
He's not absolutely wrong though, there's still enough truth to what he's saying. Porn is one of the few career options that can attract those who are self-destructive and assist them in further destroying their lives.
That's not what he said though, is it....

polish_aristocrat 08-01-2008 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cykoe6
Pornography, says the sage of MIT, is "disgraceful," "a humiliation and degradation of women." Does it matter, the interviewer wonders, that most porn performers "choose to do the job and get paid?" Chomsky offers this labored analogy in response: "The fact that women agreed to it and are paid is about as convincing as the fact that we should be in favor of sweatshops in China where woman are locked into the factory and work fifteen hours a day and then the factory burns down and they all die. They were paid and they consented, but it doesn't make me in favor of it." And for all of you porn consumers out there, Chomsky wants you to know that if you get "pleasure out of the humiliation of women you have a problem." So how do we improve the lot of porn performers? By banning "the degradation of woman" and "eliminating the conditions in which woman cannot get decent jobs; not permit abusive and destructive behavior."
sounds like Rhesus


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