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mattsbeachhouse 08-03-2008 10:51 PM

Research for documentary
 
I have posted in other threads about a documentary I am working about the adult industry. In coming up with my research, I would like to ask some questions of those who wish to answer.

In trying to understand just why the internet is such a viable vehicle for porn, what were the major reasons for getting involved in porn? Was it the money, the girls, etc...? What is the typical type of equipment content providers use for production?

If anyone would care to explain just how being an affiliate works. Nothing to complex as it will confuse most viewers. How do webmasters/affiliates obtain traffic? Do they rely solely on content made available by the sponsor or do they use their own produced content to drive traffic to the sponsors site?

What can a relatively new webmaster expect to make in adult the first year?

I am sure I will come up with other questions later on. If you do not mind being referenced for this research, please state so.

Thanks.

mattsbeachhouse 08-03-2008 10:56 PM

More questions.

Do gays and minorities suffer from the same types of discrimination in adult that they experience in the traditional job market?

Deej 08-03-2008 10:57 PM

where is this being published?

mattsbeachhouse 08-03-2008 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 14556578)
where is this being published?

Its not being published anywhere. Its for a documentary film. Distribution is currently being worked on and should be decided here fairly soon (depends on the outcome of pay cable deal). Worst case, it will be made available on the web.

Deej 08-03-2008 11:44 PM

Hrrmmm... great research idea, but...

A lot of affiliates dont too much care for mainstream media...

Myself, it wont effect me, but one reason youre not getting a lot of responses is due to the fact that when our industry is dawned a light upon to the public, It brings people that either dont know what their doing and just want to think theyre working in porn or god forbid the ones that actually might know what theyre doing and become competition. No one wants any percentage of traffic taken away.

Some will answer questions, but as you can see, no one is jumping to fill your answer box

:2 cents:

noize 08-04-2008 12:02 AM

For me, it started as a fun side project of producing low end fetish content for a guy's website. After 6 months of that, I realized that I could make cash shooting for myself as well. Over the years, it grew and grew. I now shoot for 3 video lines of my own, and run a handful of sites including my affiliate program. I now do it for the fun, the cash, and of course running around with hot women shooting kinky content is always a plus.

The internet is the most viable vehicle for me, since as a start up I was able to start making an immediate return on my product. Within minutes I can start to make cash from a new video that I put online.

I look at the online adult industry as tapping into a money network. You earn your position in it buy either providing content, running a program, or being a webmaster (at least on the very basics). Some people do just one thing, some do all. But you need all 3 to keep the network alive. Person 'A' shots the content, Person 'B' gets the content online and provides tools for webmasters (person 'C'), Person 'C', takes those tools and finds the end users who buy the content. Again, this is all a very basic explanation of what is really takes.

The gear people use is way to broad to explain, from point and shoots to near Hollywood levels.

There is a little of my 2 cents. If you want to reference me, contact me.

noize 08-04-2008 12:03 AM

That said, I agree with Deej.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 09:09 AM

friendly bump

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 10:20 AM

Fuck that shit, don't answer this guy. No offense to the poster but like the other guy said, we don't want to create even more competition.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 10:45 AM

Dude, how is this creating more competition? You do realize this segment is a small part of the documentary? But hey, dont answer me. I can only go with the information I have collected and if it ends up painting you in a bad light, then who's fault is that? Furthermore, nothing I say, do, film, etc... is going to have any bearing on your competition one way or another. Thank you for assuming I have that kind of pull with the viewing public though.

klaze 08-04-2008 10:52 AM

This dude is a dumbass...

Forget about competition their's just no reason to tell this guy why or how you do what you do..

The dumbass thinks research is just asking questions..

In an earlier thread you said you had friends in the industry who shoot content... Why don't you ask them these very simple newb questions?

and why are you calling yourself a webmaster? I thought you make films that expose the truth?

Deej 08-04-2008 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14558519)
Dude, how is this creating more competition? You do realize this segment is a small part of the documentary? But hey, dont answer me. I can only go with the information I have collected and if it ends up painting you in a bad light, then who's fault is that? Furthermore, nothing I say, do, film, etc... is going to have any bearing on your competition one way or another. Thank you for assuming I have that kind of pull with the viewing public though.

If a bad light is painted... its from the painter...

I'm simply saying people won't be ready to tell you much. This was gone over recently about mainstream media exposing affiliate work and how one starts.

It all falls under my previous post here...

I'm not saying that anyone here has stuff to hide... not unlike any other industry... But people won't be quick on exposing our industry to the general public...

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14558562)
This dude is a dumbass...

Forget about competition their's just no reason to tell this guy why or how you do what you do..

The dumbass thinks research is just asking questions..

In an earlier thread you said you had friends in the industry who shoot content... Why don't you ask them these very simple newb questions?

and why are you calling yourself a webmaster? I thought you make films that expose the truth?

Klaze, you can read right? I am not a webmaster, I am a film maker. I stated so in my other thread.

I do have friends who shoot content. Read again slowly so you understand this....they SHOOT content...NOT market or put it on a page. SHOOT. Do you need a definition?

And a little lesson for you on journalism my dimwitted friend, research starts by asking questions. Depending on the answers, a journalist then knows where to focus their efforts in order to get the story instead of wasting time chatting it up with morons (Klaze) while there is a bigger and better story to be covered somewhere else. Understand that keyboard cowboy?

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 14558634)
If a bad light is painted... its from the painter...

I'm simply saying people won't be ready to tell you much. This was gone over recently about mainstream media exposing affiliate work and how one starts.

It all falls under my previous post here...

I'm not saying that anyone here has stuff to hide... not unlike any other industry... But people won't be quick on exposing our industry to the general public...

Deej, I certainly understand where you are coming from. While I would probably be as guarded as they are regarding my industry if they were similar, the industry is already begin exposed in a negative way. Thats not to say that there isnt a positive side to the adult industry but right now the public is unaware and not very sympathetic because they have not seen the positive side. Most public's view is the attitude that Klaze shares. I am trying to change that image.

CurrentlySober 08-04-2008 11:22 AM

You are a fucking joke. Reading your blog your a filmamaker that needs to have a camera donated. You talk about 'bring out the truth'... The latest post on your blog clearly reads what your really thinking:

Quote:

Last night, I got to thinking about why so many people are leered into the adult industry. Could it be because many are sex fiends and this was the quickest way to score the hottest chicks or make some quick cash for doing something that they do for free already? It is possible that many love the thrill of doing something that they know most people would frown on in society, rebels if you will. Could it be that these same individuals who work in the adult world were the social outcasts back in high school but find that they can now score the captain of the cheerleaders and make a video to document their conquests? Or could it be because these people simply have no other options in life and college wasn?t for them? Is it possible that they were absued as a child and this has carried over into their career choices?
And thats what you think isnt it? So now its up to us to tell you different or disprove your thoughts you allready have on us...

Just fuck off

Deej 08-04-2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14558705)
Deej, I certainly understand where you are coming from. While I would probably be as guarded as they are regarding my industry if they were similar, the industry is already begin exposed in a negative way. Thats not to say that there isnt a positive side to the adult industry but right now the public is unaware and not very sympathetic because they have not seen the positive side. Most public's view is the attitude that Klaze shares. I am trying to change that image.

Well... the ones that "hate" porn... theres mostly no convincing them of anything positive..

Im talking about the bible belt people and the repubs coming down on porn that fill the general public with thoughts of CP. Do a little number on 2257 and how it has nothing to do with the children, but government control. If anything they are endangering the lives of models by making it near impossible to not make their true identities public.

You will hurdle a massive feat if you convince any of them of anything positive. This industry knows that no one fights CP more than us.

If you want to shed a positive light, dont focus on affiliate work or production, but the daily duties we perform to keep our industry clean. Go back on the negative light and challenge them. people will help you in that department. but not how we make money.


Something like that...

Im famished - time for chinese food

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner (Post 14558734)
You are a fucking joke. Reading your blog your a filmamaker that needs to have a camera donated. You talk about 'bring out the truth'... The latest post on your blog clearly reads what your really thinking:



And thats what you think isnt it? So now its up to us to tell you different or disprove your thoughts you allready have on us...

Just fuck off

Hey, fatman, where does it say I need a donation? I said we would accept a tape less work flow camera is all. Trust me when I say we are ok equipment wise. Tape less cams would have made dailies easier to cut and share.

Right now, I have no pre-conceived thoughts...but asses like you and Klaze are sure making it easier to come up with them. Those same questions are the same questions that news reports tend to focus on and areas I want to help disprove.

I guess the consolation here is that guys like you and Klaze only represent the small portions of the assholes in your industry. Thanks for bringing it out.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 14558772)
Well... the ones that "hate" porn... theres mostly no convincing them of anything positive..

Im talking about the bible belt people and the repubs coming down on porn that fill the general public with thoughts of CP. Do a little number on 2257 and how it has nothing to do with the children, but government control. If anything they are endangering the lives of models by making it near impossible to not make their true identities public.

You will hurdle a massive feat if you convince any of them of anything positive. This industry knows that no one fights CP more than us.

If you want to shed a positive light, dont focus on affiliate work or production, but the daily duties we perform to keep our industry clean. Go back on the negative light and challenge them. people will help you in that department. but not how we make money.


Something like that...

Im famished - time for chinese food

Deej, trust me, 2257 will be covered extensively and the fact that the industry probably fights child porn than the federal government will be made known. I actually already have a segment I am working on talking about "good of the children" and how any time someone wants a law or control of someone else, they always play the child card.

I am covering all of the story, not just bits and part. I want to provide a fair, unbiased representation and that means I cannot leave out parts that deal with money, after all, I am positive that is why many became involved with adult to begin with.

Deej 08-04-2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14558867)
Deej, trust me, 2257 will be covered extensively and the fact that the industry probably fights child porn than the federal government will be made known. I actually already have a segment I am working on talking about "good of the children" and how any time someone wants a law or control of someone else, they always play the child card.

I am covering all of the story, not just bits and part. I want to provide a fair, unbiased representation and that means I cannot leave out parts that deal with money, after all, I am positive that is why many became involved with adult to begin with.

well of course, other than photographers that truly enjoy the beauty of lights and curves...

we're all here for the money... some get a kick out of working with naked ladies im sure... but i doubt they stay because of it.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 14558917)
well of course, other than photographers that truly enjoy the beauty of lights and curves...

we're all here for the money... some get a kick out of working with naked ladies im sure... but i doubt they stay because of it.

Deej, allow me to thank you for actually understand my goals with this project instead of flying off the handle. I assure you I have the purest intentions and will not let your industry down.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14558519)
Dude, how is this creating more competition? You do realize this segment is a small part of the documentary? But hey, dont answer me. I can only go with the information I have collected and if it ends up painting you in a bad light, then who's fault is that? Furthermore, nothing I say, do, film, etc... is going to have any bearing on your competition one way or another. Thank you for assuming I have that kind of pull with the viewing public though.

1. I don't think you have any pull, I don't even know you or your intentions to publicize your so called documentary.

2. Nobody said anything about being painted in a bad light. All I said and a few others is that little fucks like you have nothing better to do than expose an already highly competitive industry to retards.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:15 PM

You are a douchebag, I'm exposing you.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559040)
1. I don't think you have any pull, I don't even know you or your intentions to publicize your so called documentary.

2. Nobody said anything about being painted in a bad light. All I said and a few others is that little fucks like you have nothing better to do than expose an already highly competitive industry to retards.

And apparently morons like yourself have nothing more than to do than make up fake chats? So please produce the IP please.

GrouchyAdmin 08-04-2008 12:28 PM

Idiot vs Troll: We all lose.

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DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559168)
And apparently morons like yourself have nothing more than to do than make up fake chats? So please produce the IP please.

Produce the ip on aim? Are you on crack? You are a coward.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 12:35 PM

Funny thing is I JUST signed up for an AIM account, and funny thing is MattsBeachhouse was available. So I took the opportunity to discredit you and made a nice little screen cap. Please notice the time in the bottom right corner as this name was created after you decided to make a thread "to expose me". Would you like me to post them to further discredit you moron?

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559222)
Funny thing is I JUST signed up for an AIM account, and funny thing is MattsBeachhouse was available. So I took the opportunity to discredit you and made a nice little screen cap. Please notice the time in the bottom right corner as this name was created after you decided to make a thread "to expose me". Would you like me to post them to further discredit you moron?

Yeah I own Photoshop too. Stop harassing people.

CurrentlySober 08-04-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559222)
Funny thing is I JUST signed up for an AIM account, and funny thing is MattsBeachhouse was available. So I took the opportunity to discredit you and made a nice little screen cap. Please notice the time in the bottom right corner as this name was created after you decided to make a thread "to expose me". Would you like me to post them to further discredit you moron?


I might be fat, but you are full of shit....

Cool thing is though... I CAN GO ON A DIET !!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559228)
Yeah I own Photoshop too. Stop harassing people.

definitely not photopshopped. But hey, we both know the truth.

Jman 08-04-2008 12:38 PM

Only KB is allowed to make documentaries in the industry ;-)

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559233)
definitely not photopshopped. But hey, we both know the truth.

Yeah call me when you get 5 views on youtube with your "documentary" I'm sure I can help you get a few more hits. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559248)
Yeah call me when you get 5 views on youtube with your "documentary" I'm sure I can help you get a few more hits. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dude, face it, your little scam did not work. Surely a smarter man would have at least secured the AIM name and then posted a screen shot if they wanted validity. Credibility doesnt seem to be your strong suit.

DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559270)
Dude, face it, your little scam did not work. Surely a smarter man would have at least secured the AIM name and then posted a screen shot if they wanted validity. Credibility doesnt seem to be your strong suit.

Well Photoshop seems to be yours so I guess :thumbsup for you. You know what you did you slimey fuck.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559281)
Well Photoshop seems to be yours so I guess :thumbsup for you. You know what you did you slimey fuck.

Maybe you will end up in the docu. What programs do you run again?

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DatingGameExpert 08-04-2008 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14559302)
Maybe you will end up in the docu. What programs do you run again?

You need to end your bogus career in film making if you think that you aiming me and then denying it is going to make for a good story. Nobody cares about you or your stupid blog, nobody cares about your idiotic cowardly attempts to deny something you did. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Get the point?

klaze 08-04-2008 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse (Post 14558688)
Klaze, you can read right? I am not a webmaster, I am a film maker. I stated so in my other thread.

Biography:
Newbie Webmaster
Location:
Miami
Interests:
Chicks and football!
Occupation:
Webmaster/Producer/Director

And why in the other thread are you asking about how to be an affiliate and make money off traffic? I had to be nice enough to tell you to make money off the traffic your "documentary" would generate..

But you rather go the same direction as the rest of us..

Why?

Quote:

I do have friends who shoot content. Read again slowly so you understand this....they SHOOT content...NOT market or put it on a page. SHOOT. Do you need a definition?
So then why are you asking easy to answer technical questions and asking people you don't know for equipment?

Your friends shoot in adult they gotta know the people who are buying and marketing the stuff..

You are going about this ALL wrong!! You are on GFY asking about the adult industry.. You're fucked!

You better be privately contacting the high post count people and talking to them one on one.. :1orglaugh

Quote:

And a little lesson for you on journalism my dimwitted friend, research starts by asking questions. Depending on the answers, a journalist then knows where to focus their efforts in order to get the story instead of wasting time chatting it up with morons (Klaze) while there is a bigger and better story to be covered somewhere else. Understand that keyboard cowboy?
Your questions are soo basic. It shows you have no fucking clue other than you woke up one morning and said I want to make a documentary about the porn industry..

You better network your ass off at the next conventions/parties and make friends with the popular people fast.

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGameExpert (Post 14559357)
You need to end your bogus career in film making if you think that you aiming me and then denying it is going to make for a good story. Nobody cares about you or your stupid blog, nobody cares about your idiotic cowardly attempts to deny something you did. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Get the point?

Listen cock chugger, people who lie and pull stunts like you don't always seem to conduct themselves well. If you are willing to go to such great lengths by faking a chat, then what does that say about your character? Maybe you fake other things. Maybe you don't want the true story to come out. It will. And trust me, this segment is only small part of your industry. But I will say this, at least you provide enough negativity to keep the docu appearing unbiased. Woot Woot bitch!

mattsbeachhouse 08-04-2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14559395)
Biography:
Newbie Webmaster
Location:
Miami
Interests:
Chicks and football!
Occupation:
Webmaster/Producer/Director

And why in the other thread are you asking about how to be an affiliate and make money off traffic? I had to be nice enough to tell you to make money off the traffic your "documentary" would generate..

But you rather go the same direction as the rest of us..

Why?



So then why are you asking easy to answer technical questions and asking people you don't know for equipment?

Your friends shoot in adult they gotta know the people who are buying and marketing the stuff..

You are going about this ALL wrong!! You are on GFY asking about the adult industry.. You're fucked!

You better be privately contacting the high post count people and talking to them one on one.. :1orglaugh



Your questions are soo basic. It shows you have no fucking clue other than you woke up one morning and said I want to make a documentary about the porn industry..

You better network your ass off at the next conventions/parties and make friends with the popular people fast.

Klaze, I dabble in the web, but not in adult. The questions I am asking are simply for back stories. There is a lot of misconceptions out there such as any Joe could pick up a MiniDV cam for $200 and make porn. By asking these types questions, I am merely collecting information to discredit a lot of wrong information being reported.

Heres what I don't get. Dateline or 20/20 runs a report on your industry, paints you all to be the child porn money hungry abusive mother fuckers and you all get upset and angry. But when someone who wishes to be honest and present the other side of the story and focus on the positive side, you get all upset again and do everything you can to cause problems. One would think that ANY positive coverage would be welcomed since the majority if not all coverage has been negative.


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