this new site one-ups today's tube sites in terms of accessibility - so, what's next?
 

http://www.sexgrid.com


And of course, constant one-upping happens in every industry.

So, what's next? HD tube sites?

Jon Clark will claim to have the first ever Hd Tube site.

technologically i don't see anything amazing with this. just layout and displaying the vids on one page.

i can do that

www.dirtyhut.com


edit: unless you mean the vids being high res.

they aren't HD thats for sure.

you can't do hd unless you have the card for it, the right source, and the right monitor. this doesn't even get close to hd picture.

Oh and what happens is simple, programs get nervous and add another xsale that is not really explained.

searchable, archived content, videos pulled and categorized from other tube sites, lots of stuff you can do to make it better

maybe "get paid for viewing tube videos" is next ;)

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that all of the videos are from naughty america, but no where on the page is a banner or link to naughty america to make any sales from this content? all i see is dating and cams links. big surprise.


edit: just an observation, i'm done wasting my time with this sort of thing.

That's a pretty crappy site. :2 cents:

Single video pages allow you another chance to deliver ads and it also creates a larger footprint in SE's. They also allow for "related videos" and "random videos" sections that would further entice the viewer.

Having so much flash loading on the page at once makes the page very bloated. If the page lags when you scroll, then that's a good indicator that there's a bit too much on there.

Yeah, I don't see any links or banners that link to the content owner, and instead the site depends on upsells to dating and webcams. No scene titles or descriptions which could lend to SEO goals.

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy site.

No technological wonder but its very innovative. I think users will like this layout and there is potential for the site being the first to do it. In a cut throat business, every one-up counts

Very cool.

^^^^^^also what he said.

on a side note:


im getting pretty peeved about people saying they have HD content over the web.

half of them who claim it have no idea what it is or takes to view HD content over the web. many are not delivering HD, but they are sure as hell using it to market their shit. :2 cents:

Exactly.

The traffic pool will never be the same again.

Definition of a porn freesite has changed.

being the first one to do it, yea, theres a ton of shit thats not perfected that you can point out. In time, it can come into place.

If i was to take this approach, I would let them play X amount of videos and dive them into the standard tube layout with a very similar look and feel. Hey, if all it does is hook a surfer to stay on YOUR tube site, its effective.

too slow. got bored. left.

What is there to perfect? The only thing they've perfected is removing the basic sales, SEO, and some usability elements from the standard tube site. Loading more than one video on the same page isn't very accessible if it's bloated to the point where it'll turn surfers away.

It's a different concept, but I wouldn't consider it a one-up in usability or marketing. :2 cents:

I posted this idea on GFY not to long ago. I am sure this guy that made the page read my post. Its obvious to me this is along the lines of a way MGP can save them selves.

Submit a page like this with 6 flash clips on it a few banners over to MGP's that will take them and this idea will take off well. Tubesites wont have a chance on that.

Tubesites are cool, but it would be better to have a page with multiple play spots.

At tube sites no one gives a shit about a search engine or niche category. That was proven with TGP and MGP. You just make a link that reads what the nich is and link it to a page with about 6 flash clips on it. Bang. DOne EZ MODE>

I have no idea why Tube sites have come in so strong they are silly to me, other than tube sites survived by stealing content and long clips so that prolly has alot to do with it thier success.

Its certainly not the tube script itself, most tube scripts are pure shit I not seen one I like yet.

thats a killer one-up.. from any video clicked to full screen is my fave..

Tube8 smokes that shit hole.

no, the goal is to get them to pull out their wallet in the least amount of clicks possible. unless you are running a traffic brokership, where all you do is send your leecher traffic to other people for $, your main goal is to get that card out of their pocket. why would you want to let them watch X number of videos and then "dump" them to a tube site? imho thats a terrible waste of even leecher traffic. at least pull the shady shit that some tubes do and send them to a "get premium status now for 5 bucks" or some shit. those premium access levels to tubes are just bullshit upsell speak where they say you get faster connections, yadda yadda, its a scam upsell at best. at least get some money out of them. where is the money in letting them watch X amount of videos and then sending them to more free videos, when we all know the average person searches for what he wants, beats off, and is gone in less than 5-7 minutes? tubes have sacrificed the ultimate goal of getting traffic.

(to tube owners)
yah, they managed to get it, now what you gonna do with it fuckers? you trained people to not buy porn. good job. good luck with saturated fake dating ads and dreams of getting your pee pee wet.

So let's say I'm recording with a camera that natively records 1920x1080 resolution. And I'm converting it to 1280x720 resolution. Do you not think that's HD?

I'm pretty sure if I'm following HD spec, it's HD.

And yes, it's being delivered "over the web". But tell me, what do you think it takes? I don't think the feat is very miraculous, frankly.

there are no descrips. - no way to find what i like - this site a few notches down from the tubes.

good luck with that. nice try though.

Airek, this is one of the biggest problems with the business at this moment. Webmasters still think they control the surfer. You dont! I agree, you wanna get a sale with the least amount of clicks as possible, makes sense. But surfers are not the same anymore, way savvier... The business is not teh same anymore cus of all the free content out there. If you cant deliver the goods to a surfer, theres a ton of other sites that will. you need to hook em.

So, i understand the mindstate of get the dollar out as soon as possible but getting a surfer to pick your site as the their go to place for free porn, a bookmark, some loyalty even if its short lived, is very important.

With SexGrid, the point is if a surfer hits it, its something new. they will hang out and give it a shot. If you deliver good quality content and more importantly and great experience within those few moments, you can get them over to your tube site and get the sale out of em at the right sponsor. Where as a surfer hitting a site thats just like the rest of em and dosnt even stick around or give it a decent chance.



As for Premium memberships, calling it "shady shit" or a "scam upsell" is bullshit. I sell premium memberships to my free users for 9.83.

If they are a free member, they cant watch over 15 vids. With Premium they can watch as many as they want.

If its a free member, he can only watch LOW res vids in 420x340. Whereas Premium can watch bigger and full screen vids in HIGH res.

Gutter Premium users get every video on Gutter.com in 3gp and mp4 formats, high and low. Free users dont get mobile.

Premium members get way over 200+ feeds on Gutter Tv and on Hustler Vivid TV.

And yea, we do give Premium users streaming priority :upsidedow


Shady? Scam? I dont think so.

Nothing new with this, have seen at least 50 of these in the last six months. Its just another form of a tube site, don't consider it one upping.

I'm not talking about your site. Take a chill pill. You're far too defensive. I've been doing this many many years longer than you have and I understand the mentality of the surfer just fine. Don't take things so personal. :2 cents:

kinda slow... *closes site*

What exactly do you consider HD, Airek?

Eh, as far as tubes go, i give that site a 2 out of 10.

Not taking it personal bro, but when you mention tube sites in general, then say they sell premium memberships (which fits my bill) then you say they are shady or scam upsells... kinda puts people like me who run a legit operation in front of the bullet. I know its not a personal attack, but...

A lot of people here look up to you and take a lot of what you say with very high regard. That comes from your experience in the business and your reputation which is inarguable. When you say something which is not a personal attack but it fits my exact bill, some of those people may correlate and put me in the same category. Not trying to come off as snappy bro, just wanna make sure I dont get rolled up with shady shit :thumbsup

next time i will say illegal tube. you know that i like your model and who talked to me extensively about it in the very early stages of gutter. both of them actually. my apologies for being harsh.

fyi, icq me, i have something to point out to you on tubeclicks.

:)

airek

you always impress me :)

The challenge is how to get high-definition TV signals into a computer, without hooking it directly to a cable line.
HDTV is a HUGE bandwidth hog. Transmitting HDTV signals in real time, using usual MPEG-2 compression standard, means sending data at 18 to 20 megabits per second. The typical user connection, delivers data at only 1.5 to 3 Mbps, of course there are faster out there but we are talking typical.

Even with new compression format, MPEG-4, it's not just a compression issue, it's an issue of transporting the signal over the Internet. In order to get around this issue some companies have adopted proprietary players (an example is VUDU) that use buffering and error correction to compensate for the lower speeds.

I think this is what A1r3k is referring to when he says most people do not know what it takes to view your content in HD

:2 cents:

Thanks Airek :thumbsup:thumbsup

For the record:

Fresh runs what I think is probably one the best tube models in the industry. It's very efficient, it definitely monetizes, and it is sticky. My comments should have been more clear. As I am still in an unsettled state about illegal tubes my comments were directed at them.

Fresh is on the right side of the fence.

Amen brotherman. Tube Clicks is cooler than the other side of a pimp's pillow.

yup. sorry for the confusion everybodies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You the man dude, thank you for totally clearing that up. I really appreciate it :)



on icq with airek, this dudes a mobile goldmine :thumbsup

It's more of an issue than just bandwidth speed. As I found out when I went to encrypted h264 .mp4's on claudia-marie.com s members area. Streaming on the web puts the load of processing on the USER.

I can stream as many full length vids as I want on her members area at the same time, doesn't even make the cpu of the server budge.

BUT, if you encode them at a high bit rate...then the USER can not watch them without it constantly stopping and starting and "stuttering" etc.

I originally encoded at a variable bit rate of 2-6 megs per second. The vids looked awesome. Not even a tiny bit of pixielation even when there was a lot of fast movement and big titties flying around.

And I had no problem watching them on my computer. But, what I didn't take into account is the fact that most surfers out there have their computers loaded down with resource hogging programs that are always running in the background.

90% of my user base were writing me and bitching that they couldn't get the vids to play correctly. So I had to re-encode everything down to 1200 kilobits per second. Had to do some tweaking to get it to look good. But now I'm happy and so are my customers.

Bottom line is...as of now, there is NO way to stream "real" hd. And it's not the bandwidth speed that is the issue. It's the cpu on the users end being overwhelmed. The higher the bit rate, the more cpu is used on the user end.

Having said that...tube sites are't using encrypted streaming or h264 .mp4's anyway. They are simply setting up light http on their server and streaming .flv's. So they aren't gonna be doing anything special anytime soon until they spend some money. And I don't see that happening either.

Quality post. Quality content. Good read. :2 cents:

Robbie great post but I do have to disagree with one point. There IS a way to stream HD and there is a way to view it on your computer but it requires an external device such as the VUDU set top box full HD 1080p- although you saw really nice non pixelated video it was not true HD - :2 cents:


sorry now back to the topic at hand

With the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised :1orglaugh