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polle54 01-20-2009 01:21 PM
Today I became a software engineer!
 
And it feels great!

Seeing the result of the last 4 years of work is delightful :pimp

What kind of education do you have??

MetaMan 01-20-2009 01:27 PM
self educated self taught self made,

how does it feel wasting 4 years of your life while you end up working for the man knowing deep inside your heart you fell into the "mold" of society. now sit back boy, pay your taxes and dont ask any questions!

polle54 01-20-2009 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 15362272)
self educated self taught self made,

how does it feel wasting 4 years of your life while you end up working for the man knowing deep inside your heart you fell into the "mold" of society. now sit back boy, pay your taxes and dont ask any questions!
Hehe it feels better than you could ever imagine :thumbsup:thumbsup

How did you become so bitter, did you once enjoy life as well?

The last 4 years of my life has been the greatest so far and I am looking forward to going towards new adventures with my own company :)

Alky 01-20-2009 01:30 PM
your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats

leek 01-20-2009 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alky (Post 15362304)
your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats
hahahahah
:thumbsup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Voodoo 01-20-2009 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 15362290)
Hehe it feels better than you could ever imagine :thumbsup:thumbsup

How did you become so bitter, did you once enjoy life as well?

The last 4 years of my life has been the greatest so far and I am looking forward to going towards new adventures with my own company :)
Live it up! In 4 years the world is going to end. 2c

polle54 01-20-2009 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alky (Post 15362304)
your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats
"Engineer in Information & Communication Technology" directly translated.

In Danish: "Ingeniør i Information og Kommunikationsteknologi"

But it is software engineering :)

Sosa 01-20-2009 01:34 PM
Congrats :) now code me an app

brand0n 01-20-2009 01:35 PM
can u code iphone aPPS?

polle54 01-20-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brand0n (Post 15362349)
can u code iphone aPPS?
I am better with WIN CE and WIN Mobile I must admit, I have only glanced at the Iphone apps.

blazin 01-20-2009 01:42 PM
Congrats.... have the same degree from some time ago... I imagine it's moved on somewhat and you've embraced the latest technologies and methodologies since I did it though :)

It does help in the real world believe me.

doridori 01-20-2009 01:43 PM
bachelor degree in economics.

MetaMan 01-20-2009 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazin (Post 15362411)
Congrats.... have the same degree from some time ago... I imagine it's moved on somewhat and you've embraced the latest technologies and methodologies since I did it though :)

It does help in the real world believe me.
not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!

WebairGerard 01-20-2009 01:44 PM
congratulations on earning your degree :)

polle54 01-20-2009 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 15362340)
Congrats :) now code me an app
thanks and here you go:
C#

Code:
public class MetaMan
{
 public ValueOfAction OpenMouth()
 {
    return ValueOfAction.None;
 }

 public List<ValueOfAction> CloseMouth()
 {
    List<ValueOfAction> returnlist = new List<ValueOfAction>();
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.Relief);
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.BetterWorld);

    return returnlist;
 }
}

public Enum ValueOfAction
{
  None,
  Relief,
  BetterWorld
}

polle54 01-20-2009 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WebairGerard (Post 15362427)
congratulations on earning your degree :)
Thanks and thanks for the last couple of years of great server hosting :thumbsup:thumbsup

Kram 01-20-2009 01:51 PM
Tillykke ...

polle54 01-20-2009 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kram (Post 15362471)
Tillykke ...
Takker, du har en CSS fejl på din dailyjerk.com når den ses i Google Chrome.
Din topliste smutter op ved siden af første række thumbs.

Ellers fin side synes jeg :)

AmigoPorn 01-20-2009 01:55 PM
Congratulations man :thumbsup

fris 01-20-2009 01:58 PM
most people i know that are either senior software engineers, network admins, and 90% of them are high school dropouts, and yet they work for fortune 500 companies.

tenderobject 01-20-2009 02:02 PM
hey congrats man!

margarita 01-20-2009 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 15362434)
thanks and here you go:
C#

Code:
public class MetaMan
{
 public ValueOfAction OpenMouth()
 {
    return ValueOfAction.None;
 }

 public List<ValueOfAction> CloseMouth()
 {
    List<ValueOfAction> returnlist = new List<ValueOfAction>();
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.Relief);
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.BetterWorld);

    return returnlist;
 }
}

public Enum ValueOfAction
{
  None,
  Relief,
  BetterWorld
}
You could stay in school another 1 or 2 years to get to C++ level :winkwink:

John-ACWM 01-20-2009 02:04 PM
Pretty much self-everything.
Congrats on your achievement! :thumbsup

polle54 01-20-2009 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 15362424)
not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!
Hehe only two out of the whole class graduating this month is without a job and one of them is going traveling.
I think everyone in Denmark with a IT engineering degree can get a job. There's still around 50k free IT related jobs in Denmark.

In Canada it might be a whole different story, can't say anything about that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 15362512)
most people i know that are either senior software engineers, network admins, and 90% of them are high school dropouts, and yet they work for fortune 500 companies.
I see the same tendency for network admins but not for software engineers in Denmark. I think it's under 1% in the big companies in Denmark (Systematic, Terma, National Bank, Saxo Bank, Mærsk, Vestas Wind Systems) that doesn't have a 5 year plus education.
Google and Sun is another story, I am aware of that, but that's like hitting the jackpot. They hire extremely talented people, regardless of education, and can't say I am Sun nor Google potential.

Quote:
Originally Posted by margarita (Post 15362545)
You could stay in school another 1 or 2 years to get to C++ level :winkwink:
Hehe we started out learning C and C++ but I must admit I like managed code as C# and VB.NET better :)
I used C and C++ a lot of some embedded Robot control projects.

Machete_ 01-20-2009 03:19 PM
Grats man!!! nice to have it on paper

smack 01-20-2009 03:49 PM
formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

Machete_ 01-20-2009 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363141)
formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

when negotiating a salary or job, formal education is king

polle54 01-20-2009 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363141)
formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)
There's multiple ways to achieve most things :)

If you have some strong references, your way can be faster depending on your ability to sell yourself. Otherwise you are just a littlebit fucked if you want a job. Without strong references or an education -> no callback -> no chance to present yourself and your skills. Even if you do get a callback you will have a hard time convincing them you are the man for the job since you have nothing to show.

Obviously I like my way better, otherwise I would have chosen differently.

jay23 01-20-2009 04:04 PM
I have been a software engineer for all most 20 years (Well my degree says B.Sc, Comp.Sci) and its the worst market carrier path to get into if you are in US. Just read the job board www.dice.com.

I am doing well because I moved into running my own software company and hope you do that at some point in your carrier.

smack 01-20-2009 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15363158)
when negotiating a salary or job, formal education is king
no, actually it's not. :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 15363194)
There's multiple ways to achieve most things :)

If you have some strong references, your way can be faster depending on your ability to sell yourself. Otherwise you are just a littlebit fucked if you want a job. Without strong references or an education -> no callback -> no chance to present yourself and your skills. Even if you do get a callback you will have a hard time convincing them you are the man for the job since you have nothing to show.

Obviously I like my way better, otherwise I would have chosen differently.
that's why you need to write a good resume, know how to sell yourself, and bring examples of your source code.

Chr0makey 01-20-2009 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 15362424)
not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!
I can assure you he has plenty of experience and some very good references. He would have done just fine without the degree, but he will also do much better with it.

Congrats polle54 :thumbsup

woj 01-20-2009 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363141)
formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)
software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same... :2 cents:

Machete_ 01-20-2009 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363278)
no, actually it's not. :)

here in Denmark it is..

BVF 01-20-2009 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 15363480)
software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same... :2 cents:
You're correct in general...I was getting a masters in Process oriented software engineering and what we did was formulate the requirements for the software and develop the logic and "architecture" of the program. We weren't even trained in programming except how to know how to read it....

smack 01-20-2009 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 15363480)
software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same... :2 cents:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users? needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.

BVF 01-20-2009 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363651)
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users? needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.

A programmer to a TRUE Software Engineer is like a Carpenter to an Architect....

Spunky 01-20-2009 05:18 PM
Congrats on earning your degree

smack 01-20-2009 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15363718)
A programmer to a TRUE Software Engineer is like a Carpenter to an Architect....
well i guess i should have paid for that schooling so i knew the technical terms. :1orglaugh

in my opinion if you call yourself a programmer and aren't involved in the entire development life cycle of the software you're useless. fucking sharepoint can generate code.

conversely, if you're a software engineer and you can't program, i would also consider you useless.

i guess i just always assumed since working for myself that other other places operated the same way i do. there is a problem and software needs designed, so you sit down and figure out the scope of the project then make it happen and test it.

woj 01-20-2009 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smack (Post 15363651)
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users’ needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.
If programmer is the same as software engineer, why is there a separate section for it?
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Computer programmers write, test, and maintain the detailed instructions, called programs, that computers follow to perform their functions."
vs
"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work"


Salary:
"Median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $65,510 in May 2006"
vs
"In May 2006, median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $85,370."

BVF 01-20-2009 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 15363796)
If programmer is the same as software engineer, why is there a separate section for it?
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Computer programmers write, test, and maintain the detailed instructions, called programs, that computers follow to perform their functions."
vs
"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work"


Salary:
"Median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $65,510 in May 2006"
vs
"In May 2006, median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $85,370."

I already tried to tell him.


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