Technically, is Thai tranny a man or a woman?
 

How do you see them when having sex as man or a woman? gay or straight?

They're men.

gotta agree with warchild

born with a cock = man

And a tranny still has a cock right or am I confusing things.

they'll be whatever you want them to be, baby :)

they both, like ying and yang

Depends on whether you define gender in mental or physical terms. Psychologically, transsexuals are the opposite gender and seek to change their physical makeup to reflect that. To further complicate the question, imagine you meet and fuck a post-op transsexual. You never find out that he or she used to be a she or he. Are they a man or woman? The Turing Test creates a standard to define "intelligence" when dealing with machines. If a person can't tell that a machine is a machine through the course of a conversation, then according to the Turing Test, that machine has intelligence. If you can't tell you're fucking a transsexual, have they passed some sort of gender test? Can you argue that there's a concrete, non-subjective reality in which they will always be considered their original gender? Some may offer simple answers like, "Yes, once a [gender], always a [gender]," or "You are what you think you are," but the real question to be asked is a question that GFY has been asking since it's creation:

Would you hit it?

It's a woman if she's on all 4's and you don't see her cock... which means your not gay either. Nice huh?

Your all wrong...

It depends how hot she is!

they are people...

Don't know but they luv u long time

:2 cents: :winkwink:

:2 cents: +1

very camp men

they're called the third gender here.

fake tits, hormone therapy, no erection when getting pounded = girl

man tits, no hormone therapy, erection when getting pounded = guy

Dude.. My mom wants to know if you are ready for her spot.

:1orglaugh

a damn man sucker has nutts

Better than a woman...

they are women.. unless they introduce themselves as something different

They are transsexuals.

You guys are ridiculous. I'm guessing it's in the closet faggotry that makes you think that way.

If you're born with a cock and XY Cromosones, then you're a male. It doesn't matter how you dress or how you think, sorry, you're male. If you seek out these males for sex, and you're male, that's homosexuality. Cut and dry.

If you dress up a dog in a suit and pretend it's a person before having sex with it, you'd still be having sex with a dog.

If you had a 14 year old girl dress as a full blown woman, and she acted like a grown adult, guess what sex is with her? Child abuse.

It's cut and dry, retards.

Transsexuals are the beginning steps for human hermaphrodites. While yes, they are already some hermaphrodites out there, they are rare and transsexuals are the next step.

It's called evolution. Hardly retarded. Just a fact of nature. Humans are changing. WarChild, 5000 years from now the world may be ONLY trannies!

If they have penis, they're men...always!

Don't be ridiculous. It's not evolution in fact in terms of evolution it can only represent a dead end. Transexuals who think they are women, are of course not and thus CAN NOT PRODUCE CHILDREN. This is not how evolution works. :2 cents:

Just come out of the closet already man.

If I convince myself I'm a bird and dress up like one does that make the next phase of human evolution flight? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i was just gonna call WC an idiot then i realized he has some good points...

if at any point and time they had/have a penis = male

:2 cents:

That's a very narrow view of sexuality, and at the very least, a simplistic view of gender and perception. Even the industry you earn money in reveals a trend counter to your conclusions. The majority of transsexual porn consumers are heterosexual, and not homosexual as you may believe. Sexuality is a fluid and deep property that can very easily transcend your reductionism and so it's not "cut and dry".

I think once the complete all their surgeries and become physically the opposite sex fully that they should be respected as that.
Seems that in Thailand being transexual is almost a career choice.

Gender is not a state of mind no matter how you spin it. You can medically determine the gender of a person and it doesn't matter how they're dressed or what they think. That's why you're making this an argument abotu "sexuality" instead I guess. Homosexual queens are not women nor are Trannys. What they are is sexually confused. Perhaps it is evolution trying to end a path that's produced a dead end. Remove the ability and desire to create children, you've ended those genes.

As for this nonsense of transexual porn consumers being mostly hetrosexual, I don't buy it. That's closet homosexuality and it's rampant, it's not hetrosexual behavior period. I mean I can see I guess if you're in to women and you stumble on a tranny without knowing it's actually a man and are attracted to it. I can buy that as hetrosexual behavior. However, when you SEEK OUT trannys you're actually looking for "women" with a penis? You know what we call people with a penis? We call them men. Men that are attracted to men are homosexuals.

Chicks with dicks? No. MEN with BREASTS!

Actually, you were the first to make this argument about sexuality as you elected to present your views about what sexual orientation you need to be in order to be sexually attracted to transsexuals. So conversely, I suppose YOU felt the need to bring sexuality into the mix.

I see that you like to reference evolution for whatever reason, most likely as a way to invoke the idea that homosexuals or transsexuals are inferior as they cannot reproduce (since the bulk of your responses are routinely deprecating). And again, you're exhibiting a rather narrow view of sexual selection and evolved psychological mechanisms. If we have the brain structure and resulting consciousness that allows us a fluid gender or fluid sexuality, then this has more than likely developed over many successive generations and may lend to our species' fitness. At any rate, your presumptions are deeply flawed as you automatically assume homosexual and transsexual individuals do not want to have children and that they can't have children. They can, actually, and they do, actually.

As far as your insistence of "closet homosexuality", this is more than likely a result of your black and white reasoning. Anything that may not fall into your ying and yang outlook is automatically suspect. This is ignorance, plain and simple, which is a shame because you seem like an intelligent person otherwise. The inflexible mind is a dogmatic mind, and the dogmatic mind creates an automaton.

Men who are looking for a woman with a penis are, essentially, looking for a woman with a penis. Note the "woman" part of that sentence. And I'm not sure who the "we" is that you're referring to, but "we" over here understand that it IS heterosexuality, and not homosexuality.

I can appreciate your viewpoint but I sincerely disagree with it.

Well there are certainly men that are attacted to both men and women and there are certainly women attracted to both men and women. Bi sexuality as it's called is the gray area between hetro and homo sexuality. It still doesn't make a man dressed as a woman a woman, no matter what their brains might think of the situation.

Consider if you will what future Archaeologists would think when confronted with the skeleton of a transexual and some DNA matter. Sex would be determined purely from the physical characteristics with no thought to how the person dressed or what sex they considered themselves to be in their minds. It's really that simple I'm afraid. Sexuality does not transcend gender IMHO.

As for the evolution argument, I make that one in gest all the time and you've probably seen me do it in other threads. It's important to note that I didn't bring up evolution here first, it was brought up and I countered the ridiculous argument with this ridiculous counter. Of course homosexuality is not evolution trying to weed out dead ends, it's a wholey ridiculous argument and that was kind of the point.

Thank you for the clarification regarding the evolution stuff.

Archeologist or not, genetics or not, it comes down the whether you and I believe that gender is defined in psychological terms, physical terms, or both. I believe that the two are not mutually exclusive and they combine on a sliding scale to determine an overall gender. On the other hand, you believe that gender is determined solely on a person's biological makeup.

Agree to disagree and thank you for the food for thought.

They are human and that's all that counts :pimp

How come if someone believes in their brain that they are the opposite gender than they actually phsyically are that some would consider that to be a "female" trapped in a male body but at the same time nobody would consider someone with multiple personalities to actually be multiple people trapped in one body but rather mentally ill? Thinks that make you go hmmm...

you are a damn genius

i understand you don't understand, or are not willing too, but once you sit down with someone who had a sex change

they are of that sex, bottom line, that is who they are.

meeting a person 'before/after' is like seeing them night and day.. as the 'born sex' they are 'wrong' 'awkward' and just 'off'

with the new sex, it's like seeing someone come out of a depression or something, it's an amazing thing to witness, and lends new weight to the power of the mind over trivial things like matter and genetics

there is nothing regarding transsexuals that threatens your sexuality, there is no need to be defensive about it, or try and explain why we're 'hiding the gay' in us. i'm not gay.. so not gay, i simply don't care other peoples sexuality