Cry me a river - gmail
 

i cannot believe how many people are bitching that a free service provider is down, give me a fucking break how cheap can you get.

get a brain morans

shut your pie hole.

Im not so sure I see lots of bitching, more like astonishment.

When the part of the biggest internet property in the world goes down, people talk about it.

peace = war

price has nothing to do with it


imagine the chaos if google search went completely down

A lot of people use gmail. I have at least 5 different emails and still use gmail for a lot of important stuff.

the free option is a million times better than any paid option dumbass.

Then the people that say to quit bitching would be bitching.

Gmail is not free -- it is advertiser supported. It is also supported by those that choose to opt for corporate accounts.

I have all of my mail through their corporate account services and am down. Shit happens.

Not trying to be rude but thats dumb dude, really dumb.

I'm glad I don't. I've never trusted them. Fuck the system is designed to search your mail for keywords. If they can do it for advertising they can do it for anything.

You do not know shit for what you are talking about, you can pay for as good email service and be safe knowing your email is safe and backed up. Gmails servers could fry and all your free accounts could be lost and then you are the one who is dumb. You are dumb and do not understand how the internet works, go home to your moms basement.

i use gmail for a lot of things, just cause its "Free" doesn't mean nada.

I use gmail for the general public and my own mailservers for professional/business.

I don't see why you'd call people using Gmail or "free" mail services dumb; is business hurting and you hope to sell a few more dedicated servers this month ?

Actually no, i would not want a single one of you people who relay on gmail for your mail services. I have no interest at all selling corp accounts to idiots who think "free" should be used for biz accounts.

You may be smart enough to do your corp stuff elsewhere but most people do there biz with a free gmail account, that is stupid.

and its back up

My point is every email that was sent to anyone in the past 2 hours is prob never going to get delivered, unless you have a corp paid account with them.

The reality of it is, most people have a hard time getting their mail through if they use their own mailserver. How many people do you think actually take care to go through all the configuration (bounce management, rDNS, DKIM, Sender-ID, etc...) to ensure delivery? Not to mention, that even if they do all that you still have high risks of being "junked" if you have no prior sender reputation.

Gmail is a good solution for those people, as despite the fact spammers still use it to blast out mail, it generally hits the inbox 9 times out of 10.

:2 cents:

Tell me Mr. Hosting Provider, what does your servers do that Google's cant that make hosting email with you guys way better then them? Can you honestly say your servers are up more than one of the biggest companies in the world?

Wait is your argument that they have bots that check keywords in your email to show you relevant ads, which you think is invasion of privacy? What makes you think that because someone pays you $xxx/mo for a server to host their email on, you can't just jump in and read our emails yourself?

Google is HUGE, and is subject to more people wearing their tinfoil hats, more than you. Do you really think they are just out there to get as much info about you as possible, to just hand over to the government so they can bust you for something?

If you're so worried, why don't you stop doing shit that would make the government watch you?

I trust Google to host my email over you, mojohost, and hell, even over the exact people who host my business websites, you know, the stuff that actually makes the money for me, AmeriNOC.


It amazes me how many of you people ride those 9/11 attack is fake people for wearing tinfoil hats, yet you guys also wear one of the biggest tinfoil hats ever seen in regards to Google.

And they let you touch servers for a living?

Almost every email service around (that has users) has followed Google lead with functions and space available etc.

You are not the best in your marketplace, funny you think your customers are 'fucking idiots' for using a service better then you can provide. All we can hope is some are reading this.

good points

is there a tutorial anywhere of all the server configurations to set up for a linux box to improve your email?

you sound mildly retarded.

Works fine here

Well you have never hosted with us so talk all the shit you want, fact is and Ill say it right out. We own our own facility, we own our own routers, we own our own space, we own our own ips, we own several hosting companys around they world that you people will never know about, so when we get 1 or 2 people complaining out of 10s of thousands and thousands of customers our ratio for complaints is actually quite good. There is also people like you who have never used our service yet talk shit, which is cool, if you like being a poser.

I never brought up the fact that gmail goes through emails for keywords and so forth and I do not care that is not one of my points. My point is for a free email service yes it is great for personal email but not for corp email. The gmail servers are much more strict when it comes to relay and emails waiting in the queue. There is a lot of shit I am not going to waste my time explaining because you already have your mind set on my opinion being shit, but I have used gmail vs my own personal setup and there is a lot of reasons why I will never use gmail for my work related stuff, and I am sure any one else who knows anything about servers will tell you the same thing.

You make a very very good point there and for personal email I agree with you 100% however to me for someone who does not know these things it would be better to pay 10-100 dollars a month to get an enterprise solution.

Yes there are tutorials all over the web if you like to use linux for our email solutions, and I think linux is very good if you are not doing a lot of mail. You can hit me up on aim or icq if you need any help setting up a mail server or improving your current mail server free of charge.

I think I'm being the most naïve person out here....

I use gmail for 2 email accounts, 1 professional and one personal.
Both are free, unpaid, grattis whatever you want to call it, yet I use both on POP3S/SMTPS for free without ads etc etc and when it goes down, my mail client tells me by greying out the mailbox and when it comes back online I get my mail.

No ads, no moaning, encrypted and so what is the frikken problem?

Just configure your mail cliet to use google for you gmail accounts, and use SSL if your email client is smart enough to support it. No more ads, no more bullshit, blah. Out.

Not that I know of, I think the information is pretty scattered across many articles, blogs, etc...

Here's a quick list off the top of my head through which may help you:

- Make sure you're not an Open Relay
- Make sure you have a valid reverse DNS
- Make sure you have valid SPF records setup (you should setup both TXT and SPF type records even if most places don't use the SPF type just yet)
- Configure Microsoft Sender-ID (goes along with SPF records)
- Configure DomainKeys and DKIM (I always use both as DKIM hasn't taken over 100% yet)
- Verify your IP address is not on any lists or in a bad IP neighborhood and if possible, has no previous bad reputation
- Install some form of bounce management, whether it be custom or a third-party software

After doing all of that, you should be in pretty good shape. The next most important thing, if sending any decent amount of mail is keep your sending pattern/volume consistent. Once you build up a good reputation as a sender, then apply for the various whitelists/bulk sender approval with the major ISPs.

Hope that helps :)

I agree with 100% that he says.

Enlighten me Mr. Know-it-all. For your information, I have only used Gmail to host my email in the last year, but the previous 5 years, I've used my own servers.

You sure have a chip on your shoulder. I'd also like to know what hosts you own that I could never figure out, just to make sure I never host with someone who would blatantly call his customers idiots.

Never called our customers idiot's our customers pay for a real enterprise solution. I could care less if you host with us or not, the fact that you do not want to make your life easier, and you think just because I have used both gmail and my solution and like my solution better I do not know what I am talking about. How many fortune 500 companies do you think use gmail for there corp email? Well I can honestly say out of the 15 that we host, they do not.

Come back and talk to me when you actually want to learn something.

thanks for the list Varius, I've looked into this a few times in the past and like you say the info is pretty scattered... this helps give me some direction

(and thanks for the offer too joel)

Yeah, how about your customers (well, 1 in particular) that were complaining about download speeds incessantly only to find out thanks to another hosting company's in-depth investigation that they were throttled with Suavement...

I was with you for many many years and pushed a few kbs to host my dev server. At the beginning I signed up for (and had) a gbs port with no cap. Then over time, somehow I got capped. I moaned, you said it's my connection all is good etc etc bullshit bullshit.

Another host found out, I moved end of story.

And yes, per your last IM, you were talking to yourself, and before you carry your insinuations any further outside of IM, here is my email telling you to kill my servers (as if you could try and backtrace years of non-payment):

Dated January 14, 2008 11:10:03 AM CEST
sent to si-support at splitinfinity.com
and cc'd to pauline at splitinfinity.com

i don't fucking care who you host or not - i just know that i would never trust my stuff with someone with your attitude :2 cents:

I trust gmail more than any webhost. Sucks, but it is true.

ouch that would hurt

Same as gmail failed,enterprise mail can fail too.

500 gmail threads wtf

I usually don't reply, but man you're so stupid... you really think the biggest internet company in the world doesn't do backups of all the data they have ? they probably running 10+ of mirroring servers at the same time... they will NEVER loose any data