Originally Posted by Deej (Post 16604685)

I personally am not convinced of why were there.

By being there we are not directly protecting our own country.

Originally Posted by joshll (Post 16604713)

and the states are like what ? 17 trillion dollars in debt ?

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 16604734)

I don't get it either. Wasn't Obama voted in so he would END the war not add more troops? So confusing.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16604838)

Well, Bin Laden was in the mountains of Afgan, which is like hiding your keys in the Rockies for someone else to find. Being that we help put he structure of Gov in, we took it apart and tried again.

If we pull out of Afgan, they will simply take over. Like they are doing, somewhat, in Pakistan. But being that Pakistan is an actual Gov with a military, etc... we are working with them, rather than taking them over first to take over someone else.

Today we aren't fighting more, we are helping more... yes we still fight, but the war direction has changed. Instead of 'taking over Afgan' we are presenting the idea of 'working with the Afgan people' to make it safe for them.

We need more troops because we can't patrol the areas we clean out... for example when they clear miles of roads, right now we have to re-clear to get back to camp... if we could patrol it, we wouldn't have to do that.. making things appear safer, thus allowing Gov, control, order, trust to be restored.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16604838)

Well, Bin Laden was in the mountains of Afgan, which is like hiding your keys in the Rockies for someone else to find. Being that we help put he structure of Gov in, we took it apart and tried again.

If we pull out of Afgan, they will simply take over. Like they are doing, somewhat, in Pakistan. But being that Pakistan is an actual Gov with a military, etc... we are working with them, rather than taking them over first to take over someone else.

Today we aren't fighting more, we are helping more... yes we still fight, but the war direction has changed. Instead of 'taking over Afgan' we are presenting the idea of 'working with the Afgan people' to make it safe for them.

We need more troops because we can't patrol the areas we clean out... for example when they clear miles of roads, right now we have to re-clear to get back to camp... if we could patrol it, we wouldn't have to do that.. making things appear safer, thus allowing Gov, control, order, trust to be restored.

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16604698)

We are inviting more terrorist attacks against us simply by being over there, they hate it, they can't stand it, and they are willing to die in order to get us out of there...

Would you like it if Afghani tanks and soldiers were all up in your neighborhood here in America? Doubt it...

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 16604876)

we should pullout completely and let nature take its course over there...

Originally Posted by fatfoo (Post 16604954)

30,000 more troops to deploy? Wow.

They should make a musical called "Osama vs. Obama" - it will sell well.

Obama - I will not send Americans to their death unless completely neccesary
Osama - We will terrorize Americans and hide in mountains and behind a tree

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 16604734)

I don't get it either. Wasn't Obama voted in so he would END the war not add more troops? So confusing.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 16604876)

we should pullout completely and let nature take its course over there...

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16605012)

Well he did end the war on terrorism. Just did not get much coverage.



You know that expression, you break it you buy it? Well...

We just need to stop fucking up countries and then letting nature (bullies and wackos with guns) to take its course. We need to do the right thing and finish what is needed until the Government can run itself.

I just wish all the money we wasted in Iraq was spent there instead.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16605088)

I care not about no pipe line.
I care about countries we fucked up first.

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16605024)

lol, it has nothing to do with their "government running itself," it has everything to do with protecting the pipeline.

There are tons of countries in this world where the government is all fucked up... but are we invading them with an attempt to "help them rebuild?" lol, of course not, because there ain't no oil there, its in Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16605115)

We need the Gov to be able to run itself, protect itself, so it can protect our Oil Line that gives us strategic advantages over Asia Countries mainly China.

When you can control the regions natural resources that they limited amounts of, you control the Country. This is why China has been on a mission to find its own resources.


It's so simple, but simple minded people think it's a big'ol conspiracy.

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16605147)

Yea, people like JFK:

"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding it's sphere of influence.......... It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly-knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. It's preperations are concealed, not published. It's mistakes are buried, not headlined. It's dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." - JFK

Oh but wait, JFK must have been a simple-minded tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nutjob... my bad...

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16605012)

Well he did end the war on terrorism. Just did not get much coverage.



You know that expression, you break it you buy it? Well...

We just need to stop fucking up countries and then letting nature (bullies and wackos with guns) to take its course. We need to do the right thing and finish what is needed until the Government can run itself.

I just wish all the money we wasted in Iraq was spent there instead.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16604990)

Wow... for like the 100th time this year people have informed us of what we already knew. With you guys being so informed, why are you posting on GFY and not not protesting, making websites to inform people, passing out letters, getting signatures, going on the radio and ACTUALLY doing something about it?


Now back to your normal programed life where we still have troops in Afgan doing an actual job....

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16604970)

The TAPI Pipeline



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/imag...e37e1a2d98.gif

Within Asia, there's something called the "Golden Crescent", an area of illicit opium production. Afghanistan's major export is opium, where i'm sure the CIA would love for it to flourish to further embellish & embrace organized crime. That's one reason for occupation, but there's another motive - transit of the black gold from one of the last bastions on the planet with a huge reserve of oil & gas...

So where's the oil and gas?

The Caspian Sea and gas fields in Turkmenistan, that's where. There is now a sense of urgency to extract these reserves as peak oil has now been reached. Experts estimate the Caspian could hold "possible reserves" of up to 233 billion barrels of oil. By comparison, Saudi Arabia has 261 billion barrels of oil and the United States 23 billion!

The TAPI pipeline will go through Afghanistan and the quasi-government ran by karzai (who was apparently an ex-employee of Unocal, the US oil company who were involved with a memorandum of understanding for the pipeline proposed build way back in 1996). Afghanistan will get huge transit fees for this pipeline, hence the blatant corruption that's going on with Karzai's 'smoke 'n mirrors' tenancy, as he was bought many moons ago and bent over the proverbial barrel.

Proof that oil is the reason...

Look at the map; notice the deaths of military in and around the proposed pipeline, especially Helmand Province. The TAPI pipeline will begin construction in 2010, hence the urgent surge in troop requirements to secure the route.

It's also interesting to note, that a brand new highway was constructed between Herat and Kandahar which the Afghans thought served no purpose, but of course it does serve a purpose because the pipeline will run alongside the highway!

So whilst the Taliban occupy the highlands and poppy fields, the military are busy safeguarding the proposed Herat / Kandahar silk route. If more troops are sent in the name of democracy and fighting Taliban resistance, just expect more casualties of war in and around the this key region, thus corroborating the real reason for the war...OIL.

Oh but wait, nevermind all of that information, we're just there to "get Bin Laden." :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16604838)

Well, Bin Laden was in the mountains of Afgan, which is like hiding your keys in the Rockies for someone else to find. Being that we help put he structure of Gov in, we took it apart and tried again.

If we pull out of Afgan, they will simply take over. Like they are doing, somewhat, in Pakistan. But being that Pakistan is an actual Gov with a military, etc... we are working with them, rather than taking them over first to take over someone else.

Today we aren't fighting more, we are helping more... yes we still fight, but the war direction has changed. Instead of 'taking over Afgan' we are presenting the idea of 'working with the Afgan people' to make it safe for them.

We need more troops because we can't patrol the areas we clean out... for example when they clear miles of roads, right now we have to re-clear to get back to camp... if we could patrol it, we wouldn't have to do that.. making things appear safer, thus allowing Gov, control, order, trust to be restored.

Originally Posted by Glenn Beck (Post 16605690)

I think you underestimate the power that whining on a porn industry forum in front of a handful of people who barely give a shit yields.