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EscortBiz 12-24-2009 11:08 AM

End of the year tip to paysite owners
 
I guarantee you this change will help you generate way more signups, but I understand because this change involves some work you will tend to want to find excuses why I am wrong.

Plain and simple stop giving surfers the names of the stars featured in your sets. Most tours use the same format and that is telling the surfer ?Lexi bell and Bridget B?.?. What you just did is send a massive amount of traffic to google etc. with the keywords:

Lexi bell
Free lexi bell videos
Bridget b movies
Etc etc

For the surfers that know its lexi bell they don?t give a fuck they know, for those who don?t know lexi bell they wont join because you said lexi bell, so whats the point?

Now your saying ?but by posting their names ill get more SE hits? well sweet fucking dreams, you are not coming up for any pornstar names on page one anyway and if you come up even for position 3 it wont matter as the big sites in position one and two have a zillion galleries to keep your surfer happy and busy.

For 2+ years I have been doing my tours like this, I have seen a serious increase in joins. I do see some non-members with balls emailing me stuff like ?hey the girl in this weeks update wearing the blue fishnets, whats her name?. Now we all know why hes asking her name, its not because hes looking to mail her money.

Enjoy and happy holidays people!

Les Grossman 12-24-2009 11:33 AM

Interesting.

I have to ask though, what about girls who are not famous. True amateur girls, never seen before. Do you think it matters then?

Zuzana Designs 12-24-2009 11:37 AM

Great advice. So do you just give the models "fake names" ?

Tanker 12-24-2009 11:41 AM

don't use any name

that's the point if there is a name then they go straight to google and you lost them!

TheDoc 12-24-2009 11:41 AM

When you correctly research your phrases for terms people actually search for you can capture a much larger group of traffic through long tail keywords, and when you actually research them, you can easily take #1 on a vast amount of phrases people search for daily.

The loss to people going out and looking for the phrase, wouldn't cancel out the gain from using correct ones.

You're also talking tours... Your affiliates can use tours without names if you like.

datatank 12-24-2009 11:42 AM

good advise for sure

datatank 12-24-2009 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679645)
When you correctly research your phrases for terms people actually search for you can capture a much larger group of traffic through long tail keywords, and when you actually research them, you can easily take #1 on a vast amount of phrases people search for daily.

Hello
What does that have to do with what Mr Eb posted?

TheDoc 12-24-2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank (Post 16679649)
Hello
What does that have to do with what Mr Eb posted?

Well, if you do 10k hits a day, and you remove some shit and do 9k hits a day, your ratios get better and your sales may not have slipped.

When you do research correctly, you can take 10k hits a day to 50k hits a day.

Is anyone here going to argue that removing 40k hits a day is smart because you think people may leave your site?

No, of course not...

Bhunter 12-24-2009 11:47 AM

It makes some sense :thumbsup Thanks for the tip.

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Grossman (Post 16679626)
Interesting.

I have to ask though, what about girls who are not famous. True amateur girls, never seen before. Do you think it matters then?

do not give them a reason to leave or go to google, so either first name only or no name

Va2k 12-24-2009 11:49 AM

Awesome info Eb, Merry Christmas.

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679654)
Well, if you do 10k hits a day, and you remove some shit and do 9k hits a day, your ratios get better and your sales may not have slipped.

When you do research correctly, you can take 10k hits a day to 50k hits a day.

Is anyone here going to argue that removing 40k hits a day is smart because you think people may leave your site?

No, of course not...

sorry you make no sense, I tried to understand what you are saying but I cant, my advise is tried and tested.

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fungus (Post 16679668)
Awesome info Eb, Merry Christmas.

merry xmas to you and your family mr T

Robbie 12-24-2009 11:53 AM

Good tip for most paysites. Especially the myriad of paysites who put their shit on autopilot and the owner has no "hands on" input at all. 99.99% of the sites out there can definitely profit from this advice.

The other .01% (or as I like to call them the "real" guys) will find ways to monetize what they do. Including making sure that their text is written in such a way to ensure they are sitting at the top of any search for the text that grabs the attention...whether it be a name or a phrase.

LickMyBalls 12-24-2009 11:55 AM

Didn't you mention you had some "interesting" reviews coming out on livereviews.com around Christmas time?

TheDoc 12-24-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16679667)
do not give them a reason to leave or go to google, so either first name only or no name

What kind of ratio and amount of sales would you need to see to disprove this theory of yours?


I have MANY sites doing 30 through 100+ sales a day, with model names on every single tour.. with ratios under 1:300... are you going to tell me if I remove my model names, which instantly drop 1,000's of quality se hits daily, hell hourly, per tour...

That my ratios will improve and my sales won't drop, when the majority of type-ins are SE sales?


Sorry, I don't think you know how to actually market on the search engines.. not trying to slam you, but you're game is dating, not search engines.

Roald 12-24-2009 11:56 AM

Merry Xmas ;)))

JustDaveXxx 12-24-2009 11:57 AM

WOW!! Thats a serious Xmas gift from a very successful hands on program owner who tests everything he does with his own money.


No theories, no maybes, no ifs, ands or butts, EB has learned this by doing this.

Roald 12-24-2009 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679682)
What kind of ratio and amount of sales would you need to see to disprove this theory of yours?


I have MANY sites doing 30 through 100+ sales a day, with model names on every single tour.. with ratios under 1:300... are you going to tell me if I remove my model names, which instantly drop 1,000's of quality se hits daily, hell hourly, per tour...

That my ratios will improve and my sales won't drop, when the majority of type-ins are SE sales?


Sorry, I don't think you know how to actually market on the search engines.. not trying to slam you, but you're game is dating, not search engines.

Doesn't it all depend on where the traffic is coming from in the first place?

datatank 12-24-2009 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679682)
What kind of ratio and amount of sales would you need to see to disprove this theory of yours?


I have MANY sites doing 30 through 100+ sales a day, with model names on every single tour.. with ratios under 1:300... are you going to tell me if I remove my model names, which instantly drop 1,000's of quality se hits daily, hell hourly, per tour...

That my ratios will improve and my sales won't drop, when the majority of type-ins are SE sales?


Sorry, I don't think you know how to actually market on the search engines.. not trying to slam you, but you're game is dating, not search engines.



How many total sales a day are you doing now days?
"Many" sites doing 30-100 sales a day?

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 16679689)
Doesn't it all depend on where the traffic is coming from in the first place?

I would say it depends on how much traffic you get, then from the places. Yeah if you get listed on a bunch of "Free" terms for a paysite, it's going to suck... but that doesn't happen.

All a paysite needs is more, more, and more... if you send me more traffic, I promise you I will make more sales.

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679682)
What kind of ratio and amount of sales would you need to see to disprove this theory of yours?


I have MANY sites doing 30 through 100+ sales a day, with model names on every single tour.. with ratios under 1:300... are you going to tell me if I remove my model names, which instantly drop 1,000's of quality se hits daily, hell hourly, per tour...

That my ratios will improve and my sales won't drop, when the majority of type-ins are SE sales?


Sorry, I don't think you know how to actually market on the search engines.. not trying to slam you, but you're game is dating, not search engines.

are you joking?

I can post quality keywords im listed in top 3, and in most cases many of sites I personaly own are listed many times within the top 10 of those for good keywords (good for exactly the niche im in) like "spanking videos" or "ass licking" to 1000's of other keywords, as far as dating goes, I didn't shoot over 4000 exclusive movies for dating sites, its for my paysites that I have been running for many many years.

Again if you get 100 joins now and you have model names on the tour, and you are like 99.9% of paysite owners that dont get SE hits off model names, yes REMOVING those will be removing a SERIOUS traffic leak.

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank (Post 16679690)
How many total sales a day are you doing now days?
"Many" sites doing 30-100 sales a day?

Depending on the day, the promo, combined interests, 100's of them daily... I'm in a totally different game than 99% of you, I'm not here to say I'm better/bigger, because I know I'm not.

I have given out advice for years... I just don't want people to think "this" is the answer to making more sales, it's not.. period, point, blank..

You want more sales, take more action - period!

Roald 12-24-2009 12:12 PM

so, when we put up a link for lets say Brazzers, they see Shyla Stylez on the tour, they do a seach in Google and they clicks the 1st result coming right back to us......is that what you call a circle jerk?

lol

Basic_man 12-24-2009 12:12 PM

This comment really make sense. :thumbsup

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 16679740)
so, when we put up a link for lets say Brazzers, they see Shyla Stylez on the tour, they do a seach in Google and they clicks the 1st result coming right back to us......is that what you call a circle jerk?

lol

Aye, in the reverse, your size creates new search volume on models all the time. Including misspells, typo's, and phrases like: Where can I buy XXX model DVD's..

If you can't get a sale out of that, you don't have a page up.

datatank 12-24-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679732)
Depending combined interests, 100's of them daily..


Are you including topbucks and what not?

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679732)
Depending on the day, the promo, combined interests, 100's of them daily... I'm in a totally different game than 99% of you, I'm not here to say I'm better/bigger, because I know I'm not.

I have given out advice for years... I just don't want people to think "this" is the answer to making more sales, it's not.. period, point, blank..

You want more sales, take more action - period!

this is taking action, fixing your tours exactly

you simply have a problem agreeing with anything, but you need to put your bad habits aside, and sometimes see things for how they are

GrouchyAdmin 12-24-2009 12:15 PM

If you want to keep from saturating your niche, best to not mention it at all. Then, only those "in the know" will come through and your ratios will be amazing.

Really.

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank (Post 16679753)
Are you including topbucks and what not?

Umm... I don't work for TB :) and I think my numbers would be a tad big larger.

Barefootsies 12-24-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679682)
What kind of ratio and amount of sales would you need to see to disprove this theory of yours?

TheDoc enjoys these threads and challenges.


EscortBiz 12-24-2009 12:17 PM

http://thedocblog.com/about

you might want to update that

BFT3K 12-24-2009 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 16679755)
If you want to keep from saturating your niche, best to not mention it at all. Then, only those "in the know" will come through and your ratios will be amazing.

Really.

Exactly - traffic is overrated!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Good advice!

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16679754)
this is taking action, fixing your tours exactly

you simply have a problem agreeing with anything, but you need to put your bad habits aside, and sometimes see things for how they are

Roughly 12 years my program opened the first mulit-tour paysites... Yep, I started it.

I have been split testing paysite tours, 100's of them, if not about 1000, for that many years.


I'm sorry, my experience with this greatly out ways yours.

Barefootsies 12-24-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679766)
I'm sorry, my experience with this greatly out ways yours.

.... and it TheDoc has a fault, which he clearly doesn't, it would be modesty.


BFT3K 12-24-2009 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679766)
Roughly 12 years my program opened the first mulit-tour paysites... Yep, I started it.

I have been split testing paysite tours, 100's of them, if not about 1000, for that many years.

I'm sorry, my experience with this greatly out ways yours.

Although I am 100% onboard with the Doc on this one, I hope the advice of the OP is taken by everyone else. Less competition with searchable model names is a great idea!

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16679772)
.... and it TheDoc has a fault, which he clearly doesn't, it would be modesty.

Says the man doing a handful of sales a day VS. the man that has helped people make tons of money in this Industry.


You're an odd stubby stalker, all I can say.

EscortBiz 12-24-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679766)
Roughly 12 years my program opened the first mulit-tour paysites... Yep, I started it.

I have been split testing paysite tours, 100's of them, if not about 1000, for that many years.


I'm sorry, my experience with this greatly out ways yours.

my daddy is stronger than yours

you sound like a baby

TheDoc 12-24-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16679777)
Although I am 100% onboard with the Doc on this one, I hope the advice of the OP is taken by everyone else. Less competition with searchable model names is a great idea!

Thanks :)


I like competition though, lets me know the market is making money and I can take my part of the pie.

But if everyone dropped of the engines today, but me... man I would be damn happy the competition just left!

Barefootsies 12-24-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16679781)
Says the man doing a handful of sales a day VS. the man that has helped people make tons of money in this Industry.

*shrug*

Funny how elitists take things so personal from their mountain top.

I would have thought that someone so established and great could take a little humor. Since I was simply kidding around in the first place. Guess not. Oh well.

Carry on.
:pimp


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