The Arizona law is really bringing out the uneducated idiots
 

"If every state had its own laws, we wouldn't be one country; we'd be 50 different countries," said Thomas Saenz, president and general counsel of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

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Holy SHIT that is awesome, hahahahahahhah

And sad as it shows people have no fucking clue as to how this system of government is SUPPOSED to operate...

I still can't decide if this AZ law is good or bad

state rights are good.

and no doubt most here forget what the civil war was fought ACTUALLY over, it was NOT SLAVERY, it was state rights.

It is a crime to be in this country illegally, so it is not a state by state law. AZ is just the first state to actually made a bill on it and actually act on the law. I am disappointed so many people think AZ is bad for trying to fight illegal aliens.

Nice quote from a group that thinks illegals have the same rights as US citizens.

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. Just remember federal supersedes state.

I just wish california would be next to have that law

But in this case, it's the state passing a law because they are tired of the federal not doing anything

same with calis pot laws!

LEGALIZE IN NOVEMBER!!!

GO CALI!

wait, what? :1orglaugh

I guess he never heard of the 10th amendment, what an idiot! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That is classic! Where did you find that quote?





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The Fed rarely takes action until it's far too late. Too much politics are involved.

Think of the vast array of federal laws that were first state laws, the fed fought them. In the current day... think about medicinal marijuana, gay rights, gay marriage, the list goes on and on. Now skip back a few decades and think about civil rights in general. That shit didn't start up in the roots of Alabama, LOL.

How many laws does the federal government trumpet today that it originally fought? I bet that list would never end.

Oh I almost forgot... states rights, for the win.

They don't because they don't want to. The dirty secret is that the cheap labor of undocumented workers alone offsets the added burden to the infrastructure. The cost of a lot of food you get from California (which is substantial for any American) is subsidized by the cheap cost of illegals. A good segment of the Los Angeles economy is driven by sales tax, goods, and services to undocumented aliens.

Everyone thinks this is a simple matter, but in fact remove the illegals and you'd immediately feel the effect in higher costs to business. This is why politicians don't really want to touch this problem. Do you really think these big food corporations want to see a clampdown on immigration?

As long as they don't step all over the rights of the actual US citizens in the process. That's my problem with it. I don't want to live somewhere where you can be walking down the street and get asked (not a request) by The Man "Papers please."

I'm with you on this.

Smokers aren't profiled here though. Let's hope AZ follows through on that promise.

why don't you make all mexicans wear a yellow star on their clothes? or maybe in this case a yellow sombrero...

They wouldn't follow that rule either!

Because this is not Germany in the 40's

You got something against Mexicans?
You realize "Illegal Immigrant" applies to everyone not born in the US right?
That goes for WHITE Germans, Italians, Danish, French, British and everyone else on the planet.

Your post is proof that the profiling has already begun.

It's amazing how many people do not understand how our government is SUPPOSE to work. One law for New York is not going to work for CA or Florida. They are all different. Each state makes the laws that fit for that state. The executive branch should not be making 1 tell all law for the whole country. That is not how the system was set up...but thanks to so many clueless idiots the topic is coming up in the front so we can educate people on how it is suppose to be...

actually in the 40's most jews were already deported and dead

but if you make all hispanic looking people have their papers on them all them time - or get arrested if (god forbid) they might forget them at home - then you're not far from what Germany did to the jews.

Hooray for AR.!

I mean, I grew up in North Dakota and I vividly remember all the problems we had from all those illegals crossing the boarder for our cheap prices. They would cross in buss loads, buy all our crap and do god knows what with it. This of course required us to restock our shelves with more stuff... it was a vicious circle.

Especially the Germans. :1orglaugh

Not even close. :2 cents:

actually i don't understand what's going on there anyways - i don't know any other country where it's legal to be there without permit. when you enter the EU without visa or residency permit and they catch you, you are going to be arrested and deported. game over

ya know the ignorance around here never ceases. My wifes grandmother told us stories of waving flags so they German soldiers didnt shoot her as a child crossing street to go get food or something, and she always said, when you see people compare America to what the nazis did realize they are ignorant and never actually went though it. She told us how all her childhood friends were killed etc... when we start shooting hispanic kids in the street then we will be nazis, your country is prolly harsher than we are!

if you people really understood the nazi stuff you wouldnt throw accusations like this around.

Amazing. America is nothing like Nazi germany, god damn some of you people reach for anything to throw at America when you dont like what is happening here.

heres some advice, go talk to people who went through nazi treatment and ask them if we treat people like that.

Careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

The reason I say this is that there are plenty of states (offhand, I'd say 50 of them) that would very much like to have their own independent obscenity standard, their own policies with regard to violent video games, their own policies regarding what materials can and can't be transported across their state, etc. etc. etc.

(Yes, I know: each state has its own obscenity laws, but if they make their standard more restrictive than the Miller Test, then that standard is invalid. Just ask the state of Georgia, which is currently without an enforceable state obscenity law by virtue of the This That and The Other case....)

There are areas where the supremacy clause and the dormant commerce clause are very, very good things. There's also unintended consequences to consider: what happens if/when one of the states that borders Mexico, Canada, or a coastal state, passes a law that says "we aren't going to enforce our border at all. It's WIDE open.... come on in." ?

Granted, in this case, Arizona is arguably just saying "me too!" on the enforcement of existing federal laws, and that might prove the difference between this law and my hypothetical of a state opening its border. I haven't done compare/contrast on this new state law and the relevant federal statutes involved (I'll leave that to the courts), but IME, state legislators ALWAYS believe their laws are perfectly written and legally sound, even if/when the legislation in question is flawed to the core.

For those laughing off the notion and calling everybody who believes this statute has some potential Supremacy Clause related problems with it "idiots".... well, what can I say? Knowledge is not purely a function of intelligence, and you might not know as much about these things as you think. :2 cents:

It's the same here.
But it's one thing for an illegal to get caught if they're pulled over or whatever, and something else for police to ask every Hispanic person they see in Arizona for their "papers" to prove they are US Citizens.

when even Jeb Bush and McCain are worried about anti hispanic feelings i dont think i'm that far off :2 cents:

lol, man, you still did not get the point :2 cents:

but anyways, i got work to do

as I said your country is harsher than we are, we try not to split families from kids etc, you guys arrest and deport.

some nazi shit dude, check your own backyard before pointing the finger.

Do you have a link for this? LMAOOOOOOOOO

Edit: read over the post

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36778647

who gives a shit what their saying lets just make sure it stays law phil gordan tried to hit up city councel they said no also theres provisions in the bill that protect it.

2% of Illegal immigrants actually work on farms
over 750,000 illegal immigrants have anchor babies a year in the US
average cost of a birth about 10,000
you do the math
And thats not counting welfare
so yes we would really feel it, LMAO

I will be sure to mark this on my calendar as the one day you were in agreement with a Republican. Very selective, aren't you?

Where did those stats come from? I'd like to see a more detailed breakdown if they have it.