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cambaby 07-22-2010 10:23 AM

Google does not penalize for duplicate content
 
Otherwise every single syndicated news website on the internet would get no Google traffic, CNN, Yahoo News, etc all of these websites and even smaller hometown news websites obviously dont get penalized. Im not saying there is no penalization at all but theres gotta be some wiggle room... thoughts?

BestXXXPorn 07-22-2010 10:27 AM

It's simply a factor... I'm sure it's included in their algorithm :P

Nicky 07-22-2010 10:27 AM

I have found that It matters more in porn than mainstream, especially news.

ALso these news and portal sites have many visitors, low bouncerate and usually massive backlinks.

cambaby 07-22-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17355242)
It's simply a factor... I'm sure it's included in their algorithm :P

Obviously not a very big one

Agent 488 07-22-2010 10:28 AM

if you are cnn, no. the rest of us, yes.

cambaby 07-22-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 17355245)
I have found that It matters more in porn than mainstream, especially news.

Now this is what Im talking about, thank you for that insight, one of my mainstream sites has a news feed and I was worried about it affecting google rankings but so far no change.

fatfoo 07-22-2010 10:32 AM

Some dictionaries say there is more than 500,000 words in the English language. I think it's possible to create less duplicate content. It difficult to learn all the words.

Babaganoosh 07-22-2010 10:33 AM

The duplicate content penalty never has existed. It's a persistent myth spread by self-proclaimed SEO experts. The fools that tell you duplicate content penalties exist are the same fools that will try to convince you that pagerank matters.

sortie 07-22-2010 10:38 AM

Google does act quick if you redirect a domain though.

It took less than 30 hours for google to make one of my domains disappear.

:1orglaugh

Dirty Dane 07-22-2010 11:41 AM

It's opposite than "penalize". The first/original site is "awarded" by its publish time.

Same with single keywords. For instance, if you are among the first to promote a new keyword in this industry, like a new domain name, you will likely get some good positions for some time at Google index.

To maintain the position you need the relevance factor. Like backlinks and deeplinks. Yahoo, CNN etc. are credited with source links and that's why they get good position(s).

Many SEO "experts" tend to forget how important speed is. Just like breaking news is a sale factor, you can't duplicate publish time (google cache) and that's the "backdoor" into the algorithm. No matter how good writer and SEO "friendly" you are, you will lose attention and money if you can't "be the first" and take advantage of it into the peaks. No one can predict real world news, but there is always a time gap between knowledge and publish. In this industry, that depends on how close business relationships you have. And there are other ways, which I'm not going to post here :pimp

Cash 07-22-2010 01:10 PM

It's not penalized, but maybe you don't get good rankings. Probably, if you have many pages within a website with duplicate content, you get penalized. But, Google makes the difference between normal duplicate content, such as news, tourist offers, product specifications in e-shops, etc., and for example porn duplicate content.

PornMD 07-22-2010 01:42 PM

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Google does not penalize for duplicate content
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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17355219)
Im not saying there is no penalization at all

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cambaby 07-22-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 17355843)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Trolled.

UFGators2007 07-22-2010 01:56 PM

Anyone have any real life experience of traffic/rank changes after removing duplicates, or SEOing duplicates?

What about white labels and their main sites? If you look at the image source, many of these sites point to the "parent" / non skin site.

icymelon 07-22-2010 05:33 PM

my personal opinion is that if you duplicate it once no big deal. duplicate it twice not really an issue. but then as it gets duplicate more it gets less authority or considered less relevant.

Also the site duplicating it is an issue. If freeones ran rss feeds its going to considered more significant there than if you crappy blog runs it.

Deej 07-22-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17355879)
Trolled.

thats not trolled, thats an ironic observation, because i too laughed... i still read on, but the initial statement hit me with awkwardness :thumbsup

trolling constitutes repeat offenses...

Highest Def 07-22-2010 05:40 PM

Penalized is the wrong word, but if you search google and go through the first 10 or 20 pages, you will see this message..

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In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 794 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
Duplicate content doesn't get you eliminated, just pushed WAYYYY back.

PornMD 07-22-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17356466)
thats not trolled, thats an ironic observation, because i too laughed... i still read on, but the initial statement hit me with awkwardness :thumbsup

trolling constitutes repeat offenses...

Simply put, his post is bullshit. Google omits "similar" results and he himself indicated it's a factor even if it's a small one. Citing monstrous authority news sites like CNN to say dupe content contains no penalty was just silly. So you mean Google doesn't penalize some of the oldest most respected news orgs in the world for duplicate content? No shit? That's called COMMON SENSE. People expect to see those sites in the results - if they didn't, they would use a different search engine. Google's algorithm being complex is for the sole reason to put sites like those up high in results and fly-by-night sites not so high (for instance, sites that ONLY copy from others and have nothing else to offer, hence...*drumroll* dupe content penalties). Sometimes they fail, but for the most part they don't.

SEO is 99% common sense. What would your objective for search results in your search engine be if you were Google? Give people the results they're trying to find, right? What tactics would you use to fulfill that objective? Answer that and you're more of an SEO expert than most people claim to be.

I thought I'd forego all that with ":1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh" but apparently the OP was butthurt with the irony I pointed out.

cambaby 07-22-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 17356551)
Simply put, his post is bullshit. Google omits "similar" results and he himself indicated it's a factor even if it's a small one. Citing monstrous authority news sites like CNN to say dupe content contains no penalty was just silly. So you mean Google doesn't penalize some of the oldest most respected news orgs in the world for duplicate content? No shit? That's called COMMON SENSE. People expect to see those sites in the results - if they didn't, they would use a different search engine. Google's algorithm being complex is for the sole reason to put sites like those up high in results and fly-by-night sites not so high (for instance, sites that ONLY copy from others and have nothing else to offer, hence...*drumroll* dupe content penalties). Sometimes they fail, but for the most part they don't.

SEO is 99% common sense. What would your objective for search results in your search engine be if you were Google? Give people the results they're trying to find, right? What tactics would you use to fulfill that objective? Answer that and you're more of an SEO expert than most people claim to be.

I thought I'd forego all that with ":1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh" but apparently the OP was butthurt with the irony I pointed out.

No Google does not penalize for duplicate content, now please go and make more pages with duplicate content. Thank you that is all.

Agent 488 07-22-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 17356551)

SEO is 99% common sense. What would your objective for search results in your search engine be if you were Google? Give people the results they're trying to find, right? What tactics would you use to fulfill that objective? Answer that and you're more of an SEO expert than most people claim to be.

https://encrypted.google.com/search?...D8N5a0Moqq0eML

grab a brain moran.

Deej 07-22-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17356594)
No Google does not penalize for duplicate content, now please go and make more pages with duplicate content. Thank you that is all.

no offense but the statemen t was irnoic an dyou arent convincing thousands of people with a thred with absolutely no proof besides speculation.

Perhaps your right.,, but not only does numerous other sites and storeis claim otheriwise.... but so does your own post...

Dont get all bent out of shape... just refute with something solid.

Deej 07-22-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17356598)

grab a brain moran.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cambaby 07-22-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17356600)
no offense but the statemen t was irnoic an dyou arent convincing thousands of people with a thred with absolutely no proof besides speculation.

Perhaps your right.,, but not only does numerous other sites and storeis claim otheriwise.... but so does your own post...

Dont get all bent out of shape... just refute with something solid.

Im not bent out of shape... there is a reason I am making a thread here like that. Thankfully not all of you are clueless. Move along thread over.

Deej 07-22-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17356607)
Im not bent out of shape... there is a reason I am making a thread here like that. Thankfully not all of you are clueless. Move along thread over.

gotcha dog! :thumbsup

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-22-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17355219)
Otherwise every single syndicated news website on the internet would get no Google traffic, CNN, Yahoo News, etc all of these websites and even smaller hometown news websites obviously dont get penalized. Im not saying there is no penalization at all but theres gotta be some wiggle room... thoughts?

Google should just hire you because you're so fucking smart

Barefootsies 07-22-2010 07:27 PM

Matt Cutts has spoke on this.

It depends on the type of site, and what is seen as an 'authority' type of thing.

To think a corporate America site is going to have to play by the same rules as a small fry affiliate marketer is insane in the membrane. It doesn't work like that.

cambaby 07-22-2010 07:30 PM

Keep making those pages boys!

Deej 07-22-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17356632)
Matt Cutts has spoke on this.

It depends on the type of site, and what is seen as an 'authority' type of thing.

To think a corporate America site is going to have to play by the same rules as a small fry affiliate marketer is insane in the membrane. It doesn't work like that.

your logic exudes hate from from my pores...

Deej 07-22-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17356634)
Keep making those pages boys!

the unduplicated ones?

Next you'll be saying that non duplicate content is penalized...

If your OP were true... youre not gaining anythign as the ones eliminating their dup cont are doing just fine without your help ...

truly... im boggled...

Deej 07-22-2010 07:35 PM

I really do wonder if people will change the methods out of laziness and heresay rather than results...

fris 07-22-2010 07:36 PM

not penazlied in any way, just doesnt get indexed

Deej 07-22-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fris (Post 17356642)
not penazlied in any way, just doesnt get indexed

well, that itself has to be considered penalization unles sof course you only blog for hobby rather than gain...

Barefootsies 07-22-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17356635)
your logic exudes hate from from my pores...


Deej 07-22-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17356699)

you shut your fucking mouth, that was a compliment and not a warrant for retaliation...

Barefootsies 07-22-2010 08:41 PM

Cool It Champ. I was Busting Your Balls.
 
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17356702)
you shut your fucking mouth, that was a compliment and not a warrant for retaliation...


cambaby 07-22-2010 08:54 PM

ROFL loving it!

Relentless 07-22-2010 08:57 PM

1) Never believe anything Matt Cutts says. He works for the company that wants to stop you from gaming the system.

2) Original text absolutely matters. If you have exlusive, original text on a terrible site with infrequent updates it will not help you. It is one important factor, not the only factor.

3) You are not CNN, Yahoo, The New York Times, Huffington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX etc... and Search Engines are able to differentiate your blog from CNN or the BBC.

Barefootsies 07-22-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 17356768)
You are not CNN, Yahoo, The New York Times, Huffington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX etc... and Search Engines are able to differentiate your blog from CNN or the BBC.


Deej 07-22-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17356743)

jimmy fllon is cool in my book ... even with his tie tucked...

so i will stay calm...

yabate 07-22-2010 10:28 PM

>>> JFGIT <<<

Lets see...

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Q: Do I have duplicate content? Am I being penalized for it? What should I do about it?
A: In most cases, having duplicate content on your site does not mean your site is penalized. Read this article right now. If you're still concerned or want to know more, read these articles (you're not the first person to ask about duplicate content!):
Sites.Google

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What is duplicate content?
Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Most of the time when we see this, it's unintentional or at least not malicious in origin: forums that generate both regular and stripped-down mobile-targeted pages, store items shown (and -- worse yet -- linked) via multiple distinct URLs, and so on. In some cases, content is duplicated across domains in an attempt to manipulate search engine rankings or garner more traffic via popular or long-tail queries.

What isn't duplicate content?
Though we do offer a handy translation utility, our algorithms won't view the same article written in English and Spanish as duplicate content. Similarly, you shouldn't worry about occasional snippets (quotes and otherwise) being flagged as duplicate content.

Why does Google care about duplicate content?
Our users typically want to see a diverse cross-section of unique content when they do searches. In contrast, they're understandably annoyed when they see substantially the same content within a set of search results. Also, webmasters become sad when we show a complex URL (example.com/contentredir?value=shorty-george〈=en) instead of the pretty URL they prefer (example.com/en/shorty-george.htm).

What does Google do about it?
During our crawling and when serving search results, we try hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has articles in "regular" and "printer" versions and neither set is blocked in robots.txt or via a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one version to list. In the rare cases in which we perceive that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. However, we prefer to focus on filtering rather than ranking adjustments ... so in the vast majority of cases, the worst thing that'll befall webmasters is to see the "less desired" version of a page shown in our index.
Link to post and preventing methods

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Duplicate Content & Multiple Site Issues
More and more site owners are concerned that they might get penalized accidentally or overtly because of duplicate content. If you run mirror sites, will search engines ban you? If you have listings that are similar in nature, is that an issue? What happens if you syndicate content through RSS and feeds? Will other sites be considered the "real" site and rob you of a rightful place in the search results? This session looks at the issues and explores solutions.
Read about Agenda day and listen to speakers.

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Read this:
Duplicate Content & Multiple Site Issues
by Greg Grothaus
Engineer, Google Search Quality
August 12, 2009 - SES San Jose

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The Duplicate Content "Penalty" Myth
In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 20 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
"my site is not returned unless I click on the "In order to show you the most relevant results...."

"sounds like you've triggered a filter which has caused Google to believe your site/page is of low quality"

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"I get this [message] when I do a site: search ... I'm worried that they [google] have omitted [my pages] as they see them as duplicate content ... and thus will penalize."
Duplicate content generally refers to... Mostly, this is not deceptive in origin. Examples of non-malicious duplicate content could include:

* Discussion forums that can generate both regular and stripped-down pages targeted at mobile devices
* Store items shown or linked via multiple distinct URLs
* Printer-only versions of web pages

Google tries hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has a "regular" and "printer" version of each article, and neither of these is blocked in robots.txt or with a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one of them to list*.
*per query
Read slides! And listen about duplicate content And read whole post

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Little or no original content
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One of the most important steps in improving your site's ranking in Google search results is to ensure that it contains plenty of rich information that includes relevant keywords, used appropriately, that indicate the subject matter of your content.

However, some webmasters attempt to improve their page's ranking and attract visitors by creating pages with many words but little or no authentic content. Google will take action against domains that try to rank more highly by just showing scraped or other auto-generated pages that don't add any value to users. Examples include:

* Thin affiliate sites: These sites collect pay-per-click (PPC) revenue by sending visitors to the sites of affiliate programs, while providing little or no value-added content or service to the user. These sites usually have no original content and may be cookie-cutter sites or templates with no unique content.
* Doorway pages: Pages created just for search engines
* Auto-generated content: Content generated programatically. Often this will consist of random paragraphs of text that make no sense to the reader but that may contain search keywords.
* Scraped content: Some webmasters make use of content taken from other, more reputable sites on the assumption that increasing the volume of web pages with random, irrelevant content is a good long-term strategy. Purely scraped content, even from high-quality sources, may not provide any added value to your users without additional useful services or content provided by your site. It's worthwhile to take the time to create original content that sets your site apart. This will keep your visitors coming back and will provide useful search results.
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Handling legitimate cross-domain content duplication<<<--

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