ok this is my dog advice forum, lol, seizuring dog this time
 

Okay so we took our little 8 pound girl dog to the vet yesterday. She wasn't herself but she has been in heat and gets a little weird. We have been battling fleas too and she is allergic to them and its pretty tough on her. I just didn't want something bad to be wrong with her, but didn't think anything was really too wrong with her since she's been eating and barking at people so we took her in.

Almost $500 bucks later they ran every test they could, found nothing. She was all good, temp fine, they gave her an ultrasound nothing wrong with uterus, the dog was allergic to fleas they told us. We already knew that, we battle fleas her like crazy and flea bathe her and treat stuff as best we can, etc.

So they gave her two dewormers orally and told us to get antihistamines and heart worm meds which we did (but didn't give her any yet).

This morning 5 am the dog is on the floor in full seizure foaming at the mouth. We found bloody vomit, took her to the emergency vet. They gave her valium and seizure meds and an iv. Now she is back at the vet we were at yesterday.

This vet right away started saying it must be something worse, was going to send us to a specialist, until I brought in the towels with her bloody vomit. He said it couldn't be the dewormer, in 20 years he's never seen a reaction.

Now I look this shit up, they gave her TWO dewormers orally, and one it says should not be given with another. The doctor said he gives those together all the time no problem, to kittens etc.

Anyways just talked to the vet again right now inbetween typing this. The dog is still sedated and we have to see what she is like when the drugs wear off. They are saying maybe when they dewormed her one died and got into her brain. This is fucking terrible, my poor doggie.

Anyone know anything about these dewormers? They didn't even find any parasites but do this just in case. I am so heartbroken I don't even think I have the energy to blame it on the vet right now but seriously, could it be these dewormers?

They gave her droncit and strongid. If the dog doesn't come out ok we are going to put her down. :(

that's terrible, poor puppy! I had a similar case 14 years ago with my dog; 3 days back and forth from the hospital, and she finally died, and they never knew what it was.
One vet said it was her white cell blood count, another one said it was a reaction to Tylenol (I gave her a small dose because she was burning up).
The sad thing is that nothing happens when it is a dog that dies. The vets keep going about their days, and we are left heart broken.

I hope your puppy gets better soon, sounds like she had a bad reaction to those meds, some undesirable side affects include blood in the stool which indicates that they affected the stomach, same thing in her case because of the vomit.
If she is in good health otherwise this should be just a bad reaction and the vet will know next time to give her other dewormers to avoid this .
Think positive and ask for another vets opinion if needed.

Your dog has been mallicked.

First of all my heart goes out to you. It is just so tough having to deal with a fur baby being sick and not knowing how to fix them :(

To answer you question, yes. Deworming medications can cause seizures. It is rare but, it can happen especially if the animal has a severe parasite infestation or is ill.

You said your girl was acting 'weird' which is why you took her in. What kind of symptoms was she displaying?

I am hopeful she will pull out of this and sending lots of good thoughts your way :)

the vet is saying maybe a parasite got into her brain??? geesh, no clue. Yeah losing a pet sucks. I just hope she pulls through. :(

Man that sucks, I have been to the vet a few times in the last week. :( I hope the vet finds out whats going on with her, my do has an ear infection and she's on ear drops and steroids.


Hope things get better!

i'm sorry to hear about your dog. many vets are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and they usually do procedures to simply add to the bill and get more money from the owner, knowing how much owners love their pets.

if possible, i would go to another vet that is referred or has a stellar reputation in your neighborhood.

i hope your dog pulls through. i'd be heartbroken if something happened to my little guy.

Yeah I love to hate vets. This guy is super nice, so I have been the same back to him but they still just charge you so much for the stupidest things. And yeah the emergency vet didn't ask a fucking thing but charged us $300, and my vet says they gave her a steroid which he said could be bad if certain things are wrong with her. And there really isn't a whole lot I can do except bend over and let them ream my wallet while my dog suffers.

This is one of the worst place in the nation for dogs and cats. Not even a good pet emergency place. And the sad thing is they euthanize an animal like every 20 minutes down here in this area, it is bad.

thanks guys.

Honestly? Sounds like you need to go to a new vet. The seizure and vomiting are both possible reactions to the deworming meds he gave her and just because HE has never seen an adverse reaction in 20 years, does not mean they do not exist. I highly doubt she has a dead parasite in her brain although I would bet that she had an underlying illness (which is why you took her in) that he did not find so he just decided to deworm her and hoped that would "fix" her. By the way, did he even test her for heartworms before prescribing heart worm meds?

When she comes out from under the sedation and is strong enough to move, if I were you I would take her to another vet. This guy sounds a bit clueless.

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i certainly don't want to come across like i am diagnosing a dog via gfy but it seems quite out of the ordinary to jump to saying "maybe brain parasites". that's just not likely and very irresponsible imo.

Well I don't think the vet just wants to admit its deworming meds right away. I can't really blame him for not wanting to accept blame right off the bat. And these meds have recommendations, so it is all a gray area with animals it seems like.

Yeah they tested her for heartworms. They did a bunch of tests! Temp was ok, blood was ok, urine ok, ultrasound ok, no sign of anything although with the parasites they don't always find evidence of them depending on the cycle they are in. Unfortunately down here with the warm moist ground there are tons of parasites and it is a common thing they treat them for. I did correct him though, he said "she had parasites" I said "you guys didn't find any parasites" and he said "well she has a history of parasites" because we did take her there in 2007 and she was treated and recovered from what we figured must have been parasites when she was like 8 months old.

Should I follow up on this though? I really don't know what to do or have the energy to go at the vet. Already spent $500 and really don't want to just take her somewhere else for the same shit. I just think about all the unwanted pets out there and how far that money would go helping other animals, its fucking crazy. We are almost $800 into this and no clue what is going on, or if the dog will survive or have physical damage now from this seizure. ooohhh man I hate this. Got like 4 hours to wait still.

I'm so glad I have the best 2 vets in the whole world. One vet just does the shots every year ( a clinic where it's only $75 for all the shots about 1/2 price )and I get heart worm meds from him then we found a new vet who did the whole ear test as the other vet just does shots. Both vets love my dog and that's a plus as she's a pitt. She was happy as hell to go to the vet it was kinda funny how happy she was as I know she had to be in tremendous pain.

Aww i have two pit bulls myself and actually two vets just like you, they have had their records in a clinic with more staff and resources and that is their main vet but i also go to another doctor that has a more flexible schedule in the sense that if something is wrong and need to get them in right away i can do that there .It is good to be able to have two opinions when needed.
It is crazy this breeds tolerance to pain, my female got a really deep cut in her foot last winter that required surgery and 12 stitches but when i was running to friends desperate to ask for help cause she was bleeding alot she was just wagging her tail happy to see them. Silly dogs :P

Sounds like he did a lot of testing then and he was not 100% wrong to give the meds to her given the fact she has been exposed to fleas and has prior history of parasitic infestation. What I feel is irresponsible is him not treating this as an adverse reaction.

In any case, take a deep breath. There is a good chance that she will come through this ok. Stay positive and focused on her getting better. Once she is out from under the sedative then you can pick what route to take next.

Hang in there and keep us updated!

thank you Honez, just talked to the vet they say she is trying to stand up which is a good sign I guess. We are waiting for all these meds to wear off her to see what functions she has he said. I hope she is okay and never has another seizure. I don't know what to say about this deworming shit! fuck!

damn, that sucks.

That is an excellent sign :) Keeping those positive thoughts flowing for you!

Same thing happened to us. Our cat was given deworming meds and later that night started having seizures. She'd never had a seizure prior. Long story short, the seizures persisted a couple more days, but she survived them unharmed and it never happened again. Vet also told us he'd never heard of that reaction. Apparently it's not an isolated incident.

Did you have her tested for heartworms BEFORE you gave her the heartworm med? If not, do NOT administer any more wormers of any kind! Give her time to settle down, keep her hydrated(This may require IV) and watch her. GEt back to me on this!

I'll help you... stop fucking with deworming meds.. i got a new puppy he had worms from the guy who kept him.. heres what i gave him...

http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Essenti...6998333&sr=8-1

Its a digestive enzyme/probitioc for dogs.. I sprinkled a little with each meal.. then gave him the probiotic 2-3 times/day with a syringe on an empty stomach.. in 2 days his worms were gone.... u can google about probiotics/worms in dogs.. its 100% natural, replenishes his digestive flora, and has no side effects

As for fleas, please do yourself a favor and stop using conventional anti flea meds they fuck up the dogs liver..

Give him a bath with this shampoo:

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/produc...8-01cd8e3daf45

Then after the bath, spray doggy with this and massage into skin

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All these products are 100% natural and fixed up my new dog..

He has no flea problems anymore, no itching, he jumps on grass, rolls around, fleas jump on and right off... goodluck, stop spending money on vets.. they dont know shit

Also switch your dog to a solid pet food like http://www.primalpetfoods.com/ or
http://www.naturesvariety.com/

its what they were meant to eat.. dogs arent meant to eat baked cookies(dry food).. they were meant to eat raw meat/bones/organs

when i first got my dog apart from itching and worms, he had bad odor, fucked up skin, in 2 weeks of switching and feeding him good food he was perfect.. smells like roses now..

also thank me later

I haven't seen that type of reaction to dewormers, but I have seen it happen with too much flea meds, like a strong dose of frontline or advantage, etc, or a second dose given less than a month apart from the first. If the dog has been getting too much flea medication vomiting and seizures are par for the course.

anyway like i said, when i got my doggy he was diagnosed with few worms.. his poop was pure liquid and smelled crappy.. the vet gave me de-wormers, i googled their side effects and was like fuck no... and i went the natural route, and like i said, in 2 days he was cured.. went back a week later with poop sample, clean as a whistle..

i knew he was cured anyway cuz his poop became solid & had no smell and he felt better

What breed is your dog? Is is part Collie?

Thanks for that. I have been looking for a good natural pet food. :thumbsup

Some of you are so ridiculous it's amazing. I'll leave it at that.

Boy do vets love to trot out those heartworm medications, especially when they're standing around stratching their heads because they've done all the tests and still can't figure out what's wrong. Been there, done that. And they always say "It's just a precaution"

Meaning: "All the tests were negative but I'll still give your dog this medicine for something at this point all indications show he doesn't have"
I always took the heartworm meds from the vet and said that I will give them to my dog when we get home. Which I did, but after the first time, never again. But then they argue that it's also a preventative measure. Sure, but if it puts your dog in seizure mode I'd say better to look for another treatment, maybe a natural one like week's is suggesting, than risk going with the advise of a vet who is basically stumped on what's wrong.

Good luck with the pooch Chula.

yeah ive tried a bunch and the best one is primal.. its a good organic forumla, and they have so many selections.. i mix them up.. right now in the freezer i got lamb, duck, beef, chicken, and venison.. check out the different selections

http://www.primalpetfoods.com/product/list/c/7

yup vets nowadays love to over medicate our pets.... and im well informed so i look up side effects of everything before it reaches my dogs mouth.. if the side effects include seizure, liver problems, death, then fuck that.. i rather take my chances with a natural dewormer or probiotic

errr dogs need to be treated for heartworms continuously throughout there life

you dont just give a dog a heartworm tablet as a response to some symptom, and as for valium just fuckin wow

90% of people shouldnt even have animals as they can barely look after themselves

for the sake of your dog i hope it is ok

feel free to chime in... you always have good dog advice!

At this point she isn't doing good, has regressed... the vet said she either had a brain disease or hibernating distemper?? or possibly a parasite got to her brain? wtf

anyways she is pretty much a vegetable so far it seems... valium and phenobarbitol (sp?) should wear off in 4-6 hours, so at 4pm it will have been 6+ hours and I guess if she isn't responsive I am going to tell them to put her down... Her little body really went through a lot. She was twitching and twitching in my arms.

this is so terrible... I don't know how to react other than to be sad, not enough energy to be upset or deal with this worm shit.

She was tested for heartworms, it was negative... they didn't give her heartorm meds, I have the pill I was going to give her today.

What they gave her was tapeworm med and hookworm/roundworm med. Droncit and Strongid. I've googled them and all I can find is they say not to give strongid with other dewormers because the worms could get impacted in the intestines and injure them that way, nothing about a seizure. Everything says its a little tiny dose and won't hurt them. I don't trust pharmaceuticals!!!

What can I do? I don't know about proving all this and going after the vet? We've also spent almost $800 on these vet bills last two days. Fucking sucks!

She is overdosed on wormer and may well survive if you keep her hyrdrated. I had this happen once with a Husky and she lived to a ripe old age!

how long do I wait and see if she is okay?? but she had a horrible seizure, that is the problem... the vet closes at 6pm... I am supposed to call them in like 40 minutes, they close in a couple hours... fuck this sucks!

my dogs are tested for heartworms all the time...

yeah most people aren't responsible pet owners...

the emergency vet gave her valium... these assholes scooped her out of my arms and took her into the next room and did this without my permission... I wanted the dog to live WTF am I supposed to do? fighting with vets isn't going to help the dog.

READ THE THREAD, the dog hasn't received any heartworm meds, it was other meds. fucking retard

I would go there now and tell them to wait it out. This could take several hours or even all night but could end up being well worth it! They should not put the dog down simply because they are closing! There should be after hours personell there or someone who could wait with you. If not, never do business with such a chickenshit vet again!

Best wishes to you!

you think? so even if she is a little canine vegetable still after like 7 hours of seizure meds maybe she will recover? what if she has brain damage? fuck this is the worst thing to deal with... they don't have after hours personnel they tell you to deal with emergency vets and there's no way I am dealing with those assholes again.

I have a ten month old baby, its going to be hard to nurse a little doggy all night but I'll do what I have to... man fuck. seriously I don't know. She had a mean seizure, it was bad and was for a couple hours at least. We found her at 5am when husband was leaving.

good stuff! i am making a purchase.

my dog started having seizures right after he got his annual shots. We thought it might have been something to do with the shots but it turned out to be a brain tumor and had to be put down. The dewormer stuff could be non related especially if the vet thinks so, I would get an ultrasound on its head to make sure there are no tumors.

glad i could help.. so many good products out there if people spent the time looking for them..

onlynaturalpet is god sent though.. so many products and tens of thousands of reviews so u know what u are buying..

kinda like an amazon for natural pet products..

i never gave him any conventional anti flea stuff, no flea meds, collars, nada. just shampoo and spray and it works excellent.. dude has no flea problems even tho he loves fucking around outdoors in the grass.. :-)