My BS meter went off, simply due to the fact that hes offering a turn key site that makes $10k+ a year for $1750, it absolutely does not make sense. He is giving away money. He says whats wrong with offering people services? well the difference between him and other seo guys, is other seo guys dont hand you over a site too

if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If you run a business then the fact of matter is, you want to make as much money as possible. Him keeping the sites, duplicating and keeping the $10k+ each per year, makes more feasible sense

So if I buy 100 sites for $175,000 in twelve months that $175,000 will have turned into $1,000,000? Where do I sign up?

This is my honest review of the service I received from the OP.

Before I will go to my story let me start with saying I'm a typical bad forum leech (I don't contribute). I buy 'things'... and I think there's no reason for other buyers to go through the journey I did (unless they really want to).

Do it for laughs guys, not for business, the experience is extraordinary and one you will remember.

My dealings with Craig started last year.
I negotiated a deal for two tubes, worth $x,xxx which was totally fine by me at the time.

Funny things started almost immediately with him rushing the payment, but not being able to take it.
He suggested doing a wire to his girlfriend's bank account.

That alone should be a show stopper, but then I was in a really good mood (around same time I bought some decent premium sites and a whole network, all of GFY), so I was like - fuck it, I'm going to give it a go as the deal sat well within my monthly trial/error budget.

I did my checks. I wanted to find out whether his girlfriend actually existed. LinkedIn wasn't of help at all, then I thought maybe she was too young for it, so I tried Facebook. Bingo.
She was for real, and together they were really nice couple.

Her surname told me of her family roots (I have the very same).
Then I had this thought where I started to swear at the guy (all in my mind), as I couldn't believe how one could be that irresponsible.
How could one provide all details of his girlfriend to a person he didn't know, then I don't know american taxes - not a thing, but his actions could put her in a very awkward situation with the IRS.

Anyway, I thought if you are that stupid, I hope you will deliver everything you promise as surely you do consider the fact that if something goes wrong I will try to get my money back and that I may want to chose to contact the girlfriend.

I was praying the guy was for real.

Anyway...
I paid as agreed, they received the money, all was cool.

Craig (the guy), came up with server requirements and only then it was clear he needed a dedicated box with cpanel and with number of packages installed, nothing shady, some stuff required for streaming and all that.

It was a bit too high as per my personal expertise but as he was promising 20k a day per site I was cool with it.
He asked and on the same afternoon I bought another box just for him, with the specs he requested (all packages installed).

He also suggested a theme for domain names, and suggested 10 good ones, they were good according to this expert, so I bought all of them (not a problem, can be used for anything). At the end we went with one of the domains he suggested and with one of my niche premium domains. He didn't like it, while it was cool by me as every click on my niche is worth 5 times worth general, so I was able to deal with only half of the traffic that will end up on the general site (all domains he suggested had xnxx somewhere).

After I paid for the service and delivered everything that was requested from me I decided to wait and to give the guy a chance to deliver the goods.

I wasn't expecting wonders but I was expecting something more than just plain installation of automagick.com - I have nothing against the tool, I just don't know it.

At that point I started to be disappointed a bit and started to chat to the guy less often.

I was asking questions however; Craig was calming me down every time I had a query, he was saying that things are going well, he was trying to explain sites indexation and sandbox to me, then I'm like.. I don't really give a shit about this, I'm buying a service that delivers sites and traffic and I was promised exact volumes by exact days while not much was happening .

This guy started to be excited at some point and suggested adding banners here and there and then I checked the volumes and there was less than 500 visits a day on one (AWStats) and less than 10 (ten) visits a day on another one.
It was same week I bought nice (under 100k Alexa) fake tube.

I told him I preferred to wait. His tone was always very educational, he was explaining to me more than once how to earn money, how to be smart about things and how things work in general.
I showed him a number of my sites with their Alexa ranks to tell him mind your own business, stop being a teacher and deliver your part of the deal...

Some months ago I started to ignore him completely.

The guy is young (nothing against being young) and he lacks experience.

He positions himself like he was a guru (it does work for some), he tells things, but does not much more than talking.

He can put some sites together (both sites he did for me look same - just different logos), but that's it.
He is not successful at what he offers therefore it doesn't make sense to use any of his services.

The worst thing is (I'm a bit jealous of this) he lives his life like every day was his last one (it's a great attitude), however his fault is, he ignores the fact that time passes slowly day by day, week after week and the same applies to months and then clients that he promised things will be there asking.

Do not order anything from this guy, he has some terrible attitude, he lacks experience, he may sound intelligent (he might be) while he is stupid at the same time (my personal opinion).
He is also in a position to bring a lot of trouble (casually) to himself and ones he loves (his girlfriend - hope this has changed now!).

He is an ignorant (by choice) and therefore in my personal position should be ignored by people with money.

Unless you are looking for circus like experience then take paying him like paying for a comedy show ticket (the guy is unique).
If the money you want to use come from your investment pile, stay away from this kid.

That's it.

OKP, thanks for sharing, that was a funny read.

Cliff notes: Two sites were delivered that in no shape or sense lived up to the traffic/income volume that was promised and people are warned to do business with the OP.

Sound about right?

You're the guy that didn't pay me up or respond to any of my inquiries. The stats speak for themselves, Ive tried to reach you for 2-3 months now, within the 1st month you had 15kuniques , 2nd month around the same, 3rd month and growing, then I stopped working on your sites because you would not contact me what so ever and left your sites in mid design process. The point of the service , (Especially with a brand new domain name) is automation, ranking and traffic generation which = auto money using a custom script. If you use a brand new domain, your google sandboxed and SEO takes time. I left you with shitty half worked on sites after the fact that you would not respond to me.

You will in fact make 10k in the first year. I told you the process takes 3-6 months for brand new domains and you have me on seo for the year. Don't try to make up a false testimonial to make me look bad, that's funny, if my sites are making atleast 2500$ (though my domains are 3 years old and rank faster) then why do you not respond? Why do you not keep in contact?

I'm done arguing with people that are clueless to the service and what is offered. For the price I charge, that's a deal and a half. The point is auto pilot traffic which means auto pilot money and if I have to buy you a new domain, if you know anything about SEO, you'd know that you're google sandboxed for 3 months and can't obtain solid rankings but you WILL in fact get a traffic increase. I stopped working on your sites when you stopped responding to me, including the designs and left you with what you paid for.

Regardless of what this guy says, if he is even anyone at all, there's a spot left to take on another client. You WILL make atleast 10k the first year and as webmasters we all know that you're not going to get rich your first year.

So please, keep twisting words, bashing my sales thread and I will keep on keeping on, I know what I offer and I have proof over the last 3 years i've been running this service.

15k hits in the first month isn't bad wouldn't ya say? I think I did you a solid there and did everything proposed until you stopped contacting me or replying to me.

So, yes, I offer a badass auto tube service with a gold mine niche, no I will not rank you for granny dating or any other niche. If you want SEO, inquire with me on just that.


1 Spot open contact details are in the sig, the guy up there with the fake testimonial is made because he didnt get 100k hits in the first month with a brand new domain. lol

@Markul

Don't believe a word this guy says, if you do then I don't know what to tell you. Screenshots have timestamps on them, payouts and the works. The traffic snaps back that up. Might of been a funny read, but a very untrue read and the guy didn't pay me up as he was supossed to because he's another gfy scammer. Funny where are all of the bad testimonials from other clients of mine ive had over the past 3 years? Read my post and thread post history if you want proof.

btw to the ex client who left the crappy untrue testimonial, I left your website dead in the water a few months ago when you refused to contact me or make any payments.


Here's a testimonial left above from a client who posted a reply to this topic and has been working with me for a year and half now continuously :)

Inquire within :)

Those screenshots are a snap of earnings withdrawn , nothing shady about it , I dont deposit any money into juicy, I just earn from it and ill post another screenshot confirming that as well.

My 2 top earning sites that I have ads on with simple layouts are xnxxcom.tv and xnnx.biz take a look for yourself bud. I don't soop up the layouts on these, they are seo'ed , meant to auto rank, auto update and bring in the bacon. The design aspect of it is, these sites used to bring much more hits and I had to rebuild them in september, I snapshots from when they were booming too but I had a shady partner get our server wiped, cut ties with him and started over in september 2014.

Juicy was our lower money earning but none the less contributed to the 1500-2500+ a month not including CPA networks.

heres the snaps, these are just 2 of the PPC networks we use to make cash for the two sites I listed above that were relaunched in september after being down for 8-12 months.

http://i62.tinypic.com/106x65e.png

plugrush top earning

http://i57.tinypic.com/1z6y054.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vn18xl.png

Im just shutting this thread down now, this has gotten way out of hand and now this thread is ruined because starting with trolls and people who like to harass me about my service. What I offer is legit and you will see a nice return within the year. That's all I can say at this point. When you don't pay me, I stop working on your sites, simple as that. To the false testimonial above, good job, lyings not the way to go.

Consider this thread done.

Not sure why you are bringing all this on yourself mate, but as you chose to do it, here we go:

The below is a series of short chats between myself and the OP, there are no changes there apart from domains/urls being masked.

The chats are in sequence with dates.


As with every new deal I want to know what's included, the more I get, the better, right?

I really like you confirmed everything in a particular way, with time frames, numbers and listed other things that will be delivered. Exactly what i was looking for!



I did ask you for some references, domains, contacts, people you knew, then I noticed something I didn't like that much:

Building sites, then moving sites, considering current prices of dedicated servers... it wasn't that great, still wasn't too bad.


I really liked the fact you were trying to be helpful and full of advice.
I also promised more business if there will be good business between us, the I clarified we will be reviewing the deal, it was excellent you confirmed exactly what I wanted you to confirm.
How I offered you an escrow and how you got it to 50% down payment.

And a short one to confirm you received the money.

So then you got the money and went quiet.
A week later...

No work done yet, but still positive on my end and motivating you to doing something.

Almost a month after receiving agreed amount of money.....
A quick summary where we were, right?

Then you did push the sites live,sites weren't doing anything while you were getting excited about any increase, while it wasn't anything within that was agreed nor expected.

I almost forgot about you and went for holiday, then did some shows...
I wasn't there for you so you threatened me to put the sites down, nice one mate!


I mentioned a comedy show and trust me, some of your phrases above are like straight from a good ticketed show, well it was a ticketed show as I paid for it.
Got the comedy I paid for, one could say I did a good deal...



Anyway
Everyone deserves his chance, you wanted one, I gave you one
You said to me you had problems with people so I commented

Probably most people would be loosing it with you already, like really loosing it.
I really tried my best to keep myself cool pal.

When I told you I wasn't happy with the result, you offered me a refund.
I also provided you with some benchmarks to et you know how business actually can work.

So you see kid, you said it yourself.
I do business, I win some, I lose some, I accept it.
The point is you have to accept is as well.

You are not reliable at all, like nothing, zero, nada, nic.

I have nothing against you as a person, while you are a terrible person to deal with, you a dreamer that is not even honest with yourself.
How could you expect me to pay you other half while you didn't deliver anything. Traffic speaking you delivered 2.5% - 5% of what was promised. You didn't miss it by 5%, nor 10% nor 20%, you did miss it by 95%.
Not to mention you did nothing for a month while occurring costs on my side (server just for you so you could spread your wings).

There is no reason for you to losing it like this over here man.
You promise things you don't deliver, then you cry like a child, you forget for some business is business and you do it according to rules. You don't deliver you don't get paid.

On multiple occasions I showed you understanding and even a compassion and this is clear in the dialogs above.

I offered you help with things you wanted and I was straight with you regarding everything or so I think I was.

You didn't do much with it, your choice.

It's just when I read your topic I remembered our chats, your attitude, your over-promising, your under-delivery... and then I thought there's no reason for anyone here to go through I went myself.

You pointed out I kept ignoring you for last couple of months.
Why are you surprised? What did you expect? You didn't do your bit, so I moved on and did more business elsewhere.
Sir, you are not the centre of the universe, not even of our galaxy, not to mention you are not the Sun and trust me there are other people there that have similar skills and some of them they do deliver.

You do have some skills and probably you could deliver some services at some point.
You have sites that work for you, only problem is they don't work work your clients (well, my experience with you wasn't perfect).
Change your $150 a week into $150 a day then grow it more.
It will feel good.

Again,
Stop loosing it at me (and others), it doesn't give you anything.
Just move on pal, and do your work for yourself.

Good luck in your future ventures.

So he was pawning that shitty xnxxcom.tv site off on you for all that damn money? That's the shitty site that is getting all the Chinese and indian traffic that he took off juicyads when I called him out because they show where the hits are coming from so you don't overpay for shitty traffic. He calls everyone a fucking noob and he acts like auto posting shitty videos is his brand new idea and that it's great for SEO. Go away kid you are a fraud, here's a true review and not one for an account you created that still sucked.

***You also say they are going to ban me for calling you out! GTFO! They need to ban you before you fucking rip someone else off with your bullshit LLC Michigan Garbage***

Im not reading all of that garbage. Your a liar and I havent heard from you in almost 3 months. Im shutting this thread down because idots like you trolls have ruined it. Good going, you win.

Ill keep making money as I always do and keep the method to myself. Have a good one trolls.

I get worldwide traffic, Youre a moron bigove73, a huge moron sure I get a lot of indian traffic but I also get a lot of US UK AUSSIE GERMAN,THAI,ASAIN and every other country you can think of. You still have no clue what your talking about. This thread needs to be closed because you're all a bunch of fucking morons. LOl and when I say Moron thats the tip of the iceberg. That shitty xnxxcom.tv site made me and my partner a lot of money, with worldwide traffic. You're an idiot. Gtfo my thread.

Admin, please close this thread, obviously these people are trolls, liars and morons.

http://i61.tinypic.com/fp2te9.png

Theres your shitty xnxxcom.tv site for ya, you tool. lmao. Thats called automation and SEO baby. Hey wheres that admin?

btw, copy and pasting and editing conversations is very simple, a child can do it. Again, admin please close this thread.

I am sorry man, but those sites don't get a lot of traffic. Not anywhere near what you claim and that screenshot from juicy, you can't read because it's too tiny.

Also I am hearing excuses. If you are as good as you say, you'd have no problem proving your goldmine sites. I think the guy that wrote the review sounds pretty honest.. hell he's even good humored about loosing those money he paid you.

No admins will close your thread, you started this mess so deal with the consequences :winkwink:

So my screenshots of my traffic and snaps of earnings mean nothing? Alrighty then. The guys review was very wrong and stopped contacting me after he didnt get 100,000 hits by the 2nd month for a granny dating site. Thats not in the terms.

I'll keep my method and service to myself, I did it on the side for easy cash anyways, theres one good testomonial and one long bad one that in my opinion is garbage, if you think he's sincere then im not going to go out of my way to change your mind. Stats, earnings, all of it adds up, on a bad month 1500$. This guy wanted me to do miracles for him that werent in the contract of what I offer then he disappeared and I stopped working on his sites. Thats how that went. They were getting about 15k hits the first couple of months then dropped after I stopped working on them because of no response.

I've never scammed anyone on this forum and you can look at my posts and threads to see proof of that over the last couple of years.

All I can say is that testimonial is not 100% true. As I said he got mad because he didn't hit 100k hits by 2nd/3rd month like I did for a site irrelevant to the niche I provide. At that time google rolled out algo changes as well which always suck.

For my own sites we were rocking up until march, we had server problems throughout the month and it killed our sites traffic which we are now recovering from at a pretty fast rate.

There's two sides to every story and he's the only customer I've ever had complain in the past couple years of doing this. Take that into consideration as well.

That's all I got, and thats my honest side of the story.


Now heres my "shitty" site recooperating from our server problems,

http://i58.tinypic.com/1qo328.png

Agreed, as it is so simple to edit, amend and change the meaning, I didn't edit nor correct any of my typos and mistakes in there. Original writing in there so you could find it quicker.
On another note, if you claim I did change anything, please provide an example, can you?

I'm telling the truth here, I provide examples and quotes of you proving my points.
I hope quoting you isn't enough to say I lie?

Already explained to you, I'm not obliged to talk to you, the other way around possibly as that's the money flow. I was there for you to provide you with everything you needed to provide your part of the deal. I realised you can't do that, so didn't want to waste my time. (apologies if it hurts your feelings)


My review was very detailed, not wrong.
I stopped contacting you after not two but after loosing 4.5 months with you and not because I was angry, but I simply moved on (like already explained numerous times)

Read our chat's history or simply read my posts above.
You promised between 10k to 20k a day per site, with this said you weren't happy about my granny niche and you did mention you can't guarantee the volumes there. Again, per my posts above, this was fine by me and all I wanted was equal efforts when working on both sites.
Bare in mind the other domain was proposed by yourself, and that was the one when I was expecting that traffic (again, already cleared this in my posts above).

Can I ask you to have one more look at our chats?
The numbers you agreed to deliver they didn't come from me. I asked you what was included (having no idea at that time) and what should I expect, then out of the blue you provided them. (again, already quoted by me on the previous page!)

Don't go mad at others when they hold you to your own words.



Those are your stats, not one of your clients.


I didn't want you to do miracles. I wanted you to deliver what you proposed yourself and then what you promised to me.
If you would promise me 15k a month site then I would have no reasons to complain, somehow you promised me something completely else where you missed your target by 95%.

(If someone thinks it was unreasonable for me to assume the service was possible to get at all - let me say it is possible. Before and after the deal with OP I bought sites here that were meeting criteria proposed by OP within same money.)

Like I previously commented I decided to provide a review so others would have a chance to think twice before trusting your promises.
Clearly you promise a lot, much more that you can deliver, this is a risk you decided to take and now you should not be surprised when one decided to go a bit granular like he goes about his own business, right?



My testimonial is true, I did it according to my best knowledge, if you think I missed something, please provide examples, till you do it, it holds.


I din't go mad, did I? (if so, can you provide a quote, a phrase I ever used, both privately or publicly (on this forum) - anything where I would call you some bad names or examples when I lost my cool, maybe something when I got angry at you?).

Listen, I think the worst I called you was calling you a kid, I didn't call you a scammer, I didn't call you a thief, I didn't call you a liar (I could and I could provide evidence).
I didn't call your services a garbage (a word you use when describing my posts).

I only shared a review of the service I received, that was it.

On top of this I don't even wish you bad, actually I wish you all the best and have expressed that in my original post I think.

I'm only saying your service isn't what it says on a tin, it isn't what you are promising, so your clients can't expect what they are paying for.

You are are the one who is going mad here (if anyone), you seem to be upset about me stopping communicating, but honestly what did you expect?
It didn't work for first couple of months, how could I assume it will later?
Not worth it, time could be better spent elsewhere (and money).

Man, sure. Maybe you only over-promised to me. Maybe it was with me only when you played this all knowing super duper seo guru who could move mountains if he wanted.
If so, and sure as hell it's possible, then ask your other customers to speak up.
Wouldn't they help a great provider? (I would!)

Listen man, no need for you to continue like this.

If I was you I would probably say sorry to me for over promising and under delivering while taking money for it.

I wish you luck in future.

How's that working out for you?

I remember OP on blackhatworld.com lol. I have to say if he charged $50.00 for a site, he could easily lure us in and it wouldn't be so bad if he didn't deliver as good as he promised. $1750? Seriously you can buy your own OVH server for a year and setup shit Wordpress sites and hope something takes off by trial and error. If he charged lower and didn't talk like a noob from warrior forum he maybe would have a chance with inexperienced people who need to start off like that. Making thousands on juicy and plug can happen. But the sites I see doing that have Alexa rank 7,000 and are super quality. Not with a free template that looks like a Godaddy porn parked page with a pulse. So sell your shit like these Indians on blackhat do for $50.

This thread is retarded. Why would he want to sell an auto pilot money maker and not just do it all himself and keep the profits for himself. Why doesn't he just setup the sites himself, like one per day with help from cheap freelancers and clear millions.

So you have a method to create a 10k annual revenue stream but want to sell it for less than 2k? Don't tell me, you have medical expenses and need quick money? Or is it that you don't have time for maintaining the site and need to move onto other projects?

The self review by your account with two posts was funny, keep em coming!

This is an old trick from people that sell and promote audio books and commission junction shit from warrior forum and blackhatworld. The fundamental luring of doing your website with massive profits are fine and dandy if you have a trick. Getting an email list of old people who like audiobooks is great. These Indian landing page people do that on BHW and put your Adsense banners and put fake $7,000 a month screenshots up.