Taken from the sworn testimony by Stuart Lawley, in the INTERNATIONAL CENTRE FOR DISPUTE RESOLUTION.
ICM Registry, LLC, Claimant, v. Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN"), Respondent.
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Sponsorship issues because that was the only thing that the report had failed us on. Sponsorship. So we were explaining what our community was, as I am hopefully doing to you gentlemen today, and how we got the support. And we showed them -- one of their leading publications in the adult space as a group called X-biz with a news web site. They had run a poll amongst the wider industry to say, what do you think of, you know, .xxx and 22% of the respondents said -- 22% said horrible idea. Hate it. About 57% said, yeah, we think it's a good idea, and 17% said really we don't give two hoots either way.
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If you read the whole 300+ pages ( source:
http://www.teamclickcash.com/icm-testimony.pdf ) you will see that ICM was rejected several times because of the "sponsorship" requirement was not met. They could NOT show proof that the sponsoring community wanted .XXX. ICM asked for an independent review process (IRP) stating that ICANN had errored when they concluded that ICM did not meet the sponsorship requirements. The only information they provided to the IRP was to reference an xbiz poll.
Thanks xbiz and your poll! It appears that was the ammunition needed by ICM to get over the hurdle of the sponsorship requirement.
Does anyone else kind of find it odd that only 22% of the people who replied to the xbiz poll said they were against .XXX and the other 78% said they either support it or didn't care either way???
Here is the link to the XBiz poll:
http://www.xbiz.com/polls/poll.php?id=119287 interesting, it's a blank page now.
By comparison, here a GFY poll run during the same time:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/714663-icann-approved-xxx-vote.html (88% against!)
Now why would an Xbiz poll show that only 22% of the people were against it. Does that seem right to everyone else? Does that seem
accurate? I can only wonder how that poll came to show those results, which were later used as proof of sponsorship (only proof) and was enough to ultimately get .xxx approved.
Let's look at some more facts.
Joan Irvine, CEO of ASACP:
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ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."
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Source:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html
Not willing to take an official position, but yet campaigning to be the first person in line to work with and accept money from ICM... but you were non biased and just waiting to see where the chips would fall and didn't care either way.
Letter from Joan Irvine, CEO ASACP to ICANN
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ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.
I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).
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Source:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html
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My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year.
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Source:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html
Working with IFFOR (aka ICM) is no different then working with the govt to get a grant??
Joan Irvine and her thoughts about Johhny V, posted in her rant about why more people wouldn't donate to ASACP.
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Recently, when meeting with ASACP?s sponsors in North Carolina, I went to see JohnnyV and had an opportunity to meet his family. Johnny V has volunteered his time for years and truly believes in the ASACP mission and now I know why.
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Source:
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=news&item=860
Johhny V goes to an ICANN meeting in Columbia, represents himself as the "director" of ASACP and speaks in favor of ICM.
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He introduced himself as the owner of I-Bridge International and ?the director of the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.?....?I'm here to offer my support for dot-xxx and for ICM... ?[My work with ASACP] involved efforts within the policy, editorial and legal departments of the largest search engines in the world,? he continued.
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Joan comments regarding what took place:
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ASACP Chief Executive Officer Joan Irvine admitted she was surprised when informed about Van Arnam?s remarks. Johnny V was given the honorary title ?Volunteer Corporate Outreach Director? to facilitate his interaction with large companies and search engines on behalf of ASACP, most recently in association with the Safer Adult Sites process. Irvine described Van Arnam as ?very, very passionate about child protection? and said he has been an excellent ambassador for the organization, but he does not speak for ASACP.
?Mr. Van Arnam attended and spoke on a personal basis about child protection at the ICANN meeting in Cartagena, Colombia,? Irvine told YNOT.com. ?However, from the transcripts it may have appeared that he represented ASACP. This is not the case.
?ASACP appreciates Mr. Van Arnam?s commitment to child protection and looks forward to working with him on future projects,? she added.
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Source:
http://www.ynot.com/content/116351-i...s-victory.html
So, Johnny V, who knows that Joan and ASACP has stated several times that they are *neutral* on .xxx flies down to Columbia to speak in support of .xxx at an important ICANN meeting and represents himself as a DIRECTOR of ASACP. Knowing that he is going against everything that Joan has said for years and against a person that thinks highly of him, he still does this. And Joan's response, well we were a little shocked but we look forward to working with Johnny more in the future? Are you kidding me?
FYI: Joan was so upset that a month later ASACP gave Johnny V an ASACP award. Congrats Johnny, well played Sir!
ASACP Tim (now current acting CEO) states that even if .xxx becomes a reality, the ASACP will NOT get a cut.
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Originally Posted by ASACP Tim
"Did you not at one time support .XXX? Or am I confusing you with the FSC? One of you at one time were going to get a cut per domain."
Already answered above. I do not know how to put it more clearly than that.
No.
ASACP has never supported .XXX
ASACP is neutral on this issue for the reasons previously stated.
If .XXX becomes a reality ASACP does not stand to receive a "cut per domain"
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Source:
http://www.gfy.com/it/1001450-industry-insiders-speak-dot-xxx-icm-claims-victory-post17769805.html
Alec Helmy, president of XBIZ and founder of ASACP, listed as Treasurer of ASACP.
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Originally Posted by Joan
Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP.
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Source:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html
Truth: Alec Hemly listed as "Treasurer" for ASACP.
Source:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...6a6b7a0-9O.pdf
Alec Hemly listed as being on the advisory board but conveniently no one is listed publicly as treasurer.
Source:
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=aboutus
Alec Hemly being accused of supporting .xxx and letting Stuart Lawley join xbiz forums to try to get approval.
Source:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/978028-mike-south-step-inside.html
http://www.xbiz.com/news/119378 Alec Helmy will be queried by "guest interviewer" and online adult veteran Johnny V.
Oh, How the dots keep getting connected... I'm just glad that it is AVN that owns GFY and not Xbiz so this post wont be deleted right away.