ASACP's official statement on .XXX - GoFuckYourself.com

Joan · 06-02-2005, 01:40 PM

I was surprised about the current postings on GFY on .xxx and ASACP. All this information has been available to the public since 5/17/04.

I would like to make a few statements.

1. The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography and protect children on the internet. It does this by providing a CP reporting hotline. It also provides an Approved Member program which offers the benefit to its members of monitoring their sites which provides proof to government agencies that these adult sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well.

2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."

3. Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP.

4. Recently, ASACP changed its name to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection to more effectively represent its members and nonprofit status, and work in harmony with government agencies and mainstream associations. The organization`s prior name and site no longer reflected the depth of its expanded mission. (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html).

5. ASACP has provided a child pornography reporting hotline since 1996 and sends over 3000 validated reports to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and other relevant international hotlines annually. Last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html).

The P2P PATROL initiative, which represents a voluntary collaboration of technology and related service companies along with government agencies and trade groups, offers programs focusing on education, deterrence, and enforcement for combating online child pornography, and operates the P2Ppatrol.com website.

CPHotline.org is a valuable tool complimenting P2P PATROL in helping consumers who inadvertently encounter CP to recognize, remove, and report it.

6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method.

7. As indicated by their work with the P2P Patrol, ASACP is pleased to help other groups be more effective in their efforts. On May 17, 2004, ASACP wrote a letter to IFFOR supporting their efforts to protect children;

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community."

8. As stated in the letter of 5/17/05 9 http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...msg00061.html), "ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", just as it was negotiation with P2P Patrol (refer to #4 above).

9. My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year.

exportyourbiz-com · 06-02-2005, 01:41 PM

Non-existant sig spot.

tranza · 06-02-2005, 01:43 PM

See sig...

Ok, now I'm reading it...

Socks · 06-02-2005, 01:43 PM

How many people are seriously going to report CP using their cellphones? Is this really worth your time?

Nader · 06-02-2005, 01:44 PM

Good read Joan,

Thanks for all the info! Keep it up

polish_aristocrat · 06-02-2005, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

How many people are seriously going to report CP using their cellphones? Is this really worth your time?

is this really important now?

cherrylula · 06-02-2005, 01:45 PM

gofuckyourself.xxx looks tough

Pete-KT · 06-02-2005, 01:45 PM

Very nice writeup answered some of my questions

mardigras · 06-02-2005, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

See sig...

Ok, now I'm reading it...

LOL!!!

dropped9 · 06-02-2005, 01:46 PM

se sig i think

fireorange · 06-02-2005, 01:47 PM

Fuck you and your sigs and fuck the wannabe internet police aka ASACP

TDF · 06-02-2005, 01:47 PM

60 dollars a year for a registrar..

Aly · 06-02-2005, 01:48 PM

Thanks Joan.

chipmunk · 06-02-2005, 01:48 PM

Thank you Joan for clarifying some of the fact from fiction! This was a very good read!

-=Chipmunk=-

invasion · 06-02-2005, 01:52 PM

Thanks Joan and Gracie

Much appreciated

why does everyone hate when only others want to help - no matter how good or bad it is?

Holly · 06-02-2005, 01:52 PM

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

Socks · 06-02-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

is this really important now?

Ask the original poster, they wrote it, I'm asking. Or are there only a few acceptable things to ask about a post.

Perhaps you can make me a list of things I can talk about. I'll then run it by my mom, and get back to you for final signoff.

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 01:53 PM

As was posted in another thread, most people will not say what they really think because they are afraid to offend an anti-child porn organization.

Every right wing pro-censorship anti-porn group claims they are doing what they do in the name of protecting children.

If you say anything bad about ASACP, you are helping the terrorists!

Rui · 06-02-2005, 01:54 PM

Sorry but this whole .xxx thing still stinks...ALOT

polish_aristocrat · 06-02-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

Ask the original poster, they wrote it, I'm asking. Or are there only a few acceptable things to ask about a post.

Perhaps you can make me a list of things I can talk about. I'll then run it by my mom, and get back to you for final signoff.

this thread is discussing the biggest challenge for the industry since its beginning and you're asking off topic questions

directfiesta · 06-02-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

Agreed. And they know it... why otherwise would they want to make it mandatory ?

Will take the dust off my .ca names ...

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

It's a trap. If anyone criticizes people who are against child porn, then they must support child porn.

If anyone is against .xxx or the new 2257, they must support child porn.

If you don't support Bush, you support the terrorists.

SykkBoy · 06-02-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

It's a trap. If anyone criticizes people who are against child porn, then they must support child porn.

If anyone is against .xxx or the new 2257, they must support child porn.

If you don't support Bush, you support the terrorists.

holy shit, you and I agree on something....this better not become a trend ;-)

Socks · 06-02-2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

this thread is discussing the biggest challenge for the industry since its beginning and you're asking off topic questions

and you're arguing with me.

wjxxx · 06-02-2005, 02:02 PM

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Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

holy shit, you and I agree on something....this better not become a trend ;-)

I think we often agree on free speech issues, if not too much else.

Regardless of politics, anyone who supports a free society should be concerned about free speech. Too bad most don't seem to be.

Trax · 06-02-2005, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

well said

if the asacp approved that shit they can suck my dick
that easy

Aly · 06-02-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

well said

if the asacp approved that shit they can suck my dick
that easy

Have you read this thread? ASACP is not in a position to 'approve' a registry.

Damian_Maxcash · 06-02-2005, 02:12 PM

.....and that ends this advertorial for ASACP.

Cliff Notes: "ASACP has no view whatsover on .XXX"

SleazyDream · 06-02-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Thank you Joan for clarifying some of the fact from fiction! This was a very good read!

-=Chipmunk=-

agreed

great answer joan

xxxjay · 06-02-2005, 02:13 PM

Joan - you might want to take a look at this...you guys are getting slammed pretty hard:
http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/news/vfrd0605.cfm

TopBucks_Juan · 06-02-2005, 02:13 PM

Good Stuff! Joan & Gracie,

You all do a great job over there and we are behind you 100%.

CaptainHowdy · 06-02-2005, 02:13 PM

See sig, 2257 COMPLIANT!,

Connor · 06-02-2005, 02:18 PM

Joan -

I'm glad that you replied, and I have a tremendous amount of repsect for you personally. I'm sorry that we're on opposite ends of this issue, and I'm sure there will be other issues on which we both agree. Dot XXX will never be one of them, however.

The problem is that ASACP in fact DID support the creation of dot xxx. That's what you're doing when you send in a letter to ICANN during the application process saying that you "applaud" and "support" ICM. You are helping to make something possible that affects the ENTIRE industry.

I don't know who at ASACP made that decision... was it the advisory council? Was it you personally? Whoever made that decision made a choice that affects a whole lot of webmasters, and made it IN SPITE of the fact that the only public industry meeting on .XXX resulted in a DOWN vote. If that choice goes bad for a lot of people then certainly you can see how they would be a little upset at the people who affected their business. ICM needed the support of industry groups in order to get their application approved. Your organization helped tham get that approval, and without that approval we wouldn't be facing the significant censorship threats that we are now facing.

As far as comparing this to applying for funding... come on Joan, that's not a very effective way to explain this. There were strings attached to this funding, and to accept the money you had to support something that can significantly harm the industry. Will the funding be worth it when some Senator tries to make dot XXX mandatory? Will the funding be worth it when Visa decides only people on .XXX sites will be processed? I thought the adult industry was doing a fantastic job supporting ASACP. In Sacramento, I can't think of how many times I plugged ASACP to one of the senators or councilmen I spoke to on behalf of the industry. So many companies have stepped up with donations. Weren't we as an industry doing a good enough job supporting ASACP? Why did your organization have to accept funding from ICM when you KNEW that doing so could result in all kinds of problems for the adult industry as a whole?

Frankly Joan I don't think you're in a defensible position. All this may be old news to you, but it's not to a lot of the industry. And I think it's only going to get worse when the first congressman announces his plan to make dot XXX mandatory and the industry is facing YET ANOTHER big legal fight, this one brought about by small groups of people INSIDE the industry. And if private industries start using dot XXX against us... oh man!

I spoke with you about this several months ago and pointed out some of my concerns. I asked you to consider revoking your support of dot XXX, but didn't hear back from you. I didn't know at that time that ASACP was getting funding for their support. I know that funding is important for any organization, but there HAS to be a point where the damage caused by accepting the funds isn't worth it.

SykkBoy · 06-02-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

I think we often agree on free speech issues, if not too much else.

Regardless of politics, anyone who supports a free society should be concerned about free speech. Too bad most don't seem to be.

probably ;-)

very true, most only care about keeping their own speech free and could give a fuck about anyone's speech...

Holly · 06-02-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

It's a trap. If anyone criticizes people who are against child porn, then they must support child porn.

If anyone is against .xxx or the new 2257, they must support child porn.

If you don't support Bush, you support the terrorists.

I'm waiting for a congressman somewhere to write some legislation for Little Janie's/Mary's/Julie's/insert-cute-kid-name's Law, that calls for stiffer penalties for child molesters and then just piggyback the .xxx on it.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Have you read this thread? ASACP is not in a position to 'approve' a registry.

Aly... please read the letter Joan sent to ICANN. Then consider yourself someone from ICANN asking for comments on whether or not Dot XXX is a good idea to the industry or not. How would you interpret that letter?

Only ICANN can "approve" dot xxx, but ASACP was CLEARLY in support of it during the comment period.

Dirty Dane · 06-02-2005, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly

.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP.

... and lets be realistic and say that those who produce CP are already breaking the law. So why should they even care about registering .xxx domains or to comply with this and that? As stated, "to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", will only give them one more reason not to register that extension. Voluntary or not, they give a fuck....

Mr.Fiction · 06-02-2005, 02:22 PM

Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

Regardless of what the post above says, their support for the .xxx extension was part of what allowed it to be approved.

Will they do the right thing and try to reverse the damage that has been done by taking a position against a mandatory .xxx if that is proposed?

Joan · 06-02-2005, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Joan - you might want to take a look at this...you guys are getting slammed pretty hard:
http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/news/vfrd0605.cfm

Jay, thank you for alerting me to this article. Morality in the Media/Obscenitycrimes.org does not like the industry, ASACP or me.

fireorange · 06-02-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

well said

if the asacp approved that shit they can suck my dick
that easy

Fuck ASACP wannabe internet police suck my dick too worthless cumstains.

Damian_Maxcash · 06-02-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

Regardless of what the post above says, their support for the .xxx extension was part of what allowed it to be approved.

Will they do the right thing and try to reverse the damage that has been done by taking a position against a mandatory .xxx if that is proposed?

IF that is true will the people most affected by .xxx withdraw support for ASACP?

tony286 · 06-02-2005, 02:27 PM

ICM

* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: ICM
* From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx
* Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400

ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry
make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes
sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major
deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to
eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a
self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that
promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional
business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising
awareness about this subject.

ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography
laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has
received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of
which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to
the F.B.I and NCMEC.

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible
business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and
support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the
adult industry and the global community.

Sincerely,

Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP

We had no view thats funny how stupid do you think we are. Remember this when you pass their booth at the shows.

TheSwed · 06-02-2005, 02:28 PM

orign8or · 06-02-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan

I was surprised about the current postings on GFY on .xxx and ASACP. All this information has been available to the public since 5/17/04.

I would like to make a few statements.

1. The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography and protect children on the internet. It does this by providing a CP reporting hotline. It also provides an Approved Member program which offers the benefit to its members of monitoring their sites which provides proof to government agencies that these adult sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well.

2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."

3. Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP.

4. Recently, ASACP changed its name to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection to more effectively represent its members and nonprofit status, and work in harmony with government agencies and mainstream associations. The organization`s prior name and site no longer reflected the depth of its expanded mission. (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html).

5. ASACP has provided a child pornography reporting hotline since 1996 and sends over 3000 validated reports to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and other relevant international hotlines annually. Last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html).

The P2P PATROL initiative, which represents a voluntary collaboration of technology and related service companies along with government agencies and trade groups, offers programs focusing on education, deterrence, and enforcement for combating online child pornography, and operates the P2Ppatrol.com website.

CPHotline.org is a valuable tool complimenting P2P PATROL in helping consumers who inadvertently encounter CP to recognize, remove, and report it.

6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method.

7. As indicated by their work with the P2P Patrol, ASACP is pleased to help other groups be more effective in their efforts. On May 17, 2004, ASACP wrote a letter to IFFOR supporting their efforts to protect children;

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community."

8. As stated in the letter of 5/17/05 9 http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...msg00061.html), "ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", just as it was negotiation with P2P Patrol (refer to #4 above).

9. My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year.

Awesome Spam

Trax · 06-02-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Have you read this thread? ASACP is not in a position to 'approve' a registry.

I must have missed that part in the big promo msg
95% of their "official statement on .xxx" contains nothing but information that has NOTHING to do with that topic....

"6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method."

Now that is clarifying information - not

Joan · 06-02-2005, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=Mr.Fiction]Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx.

Furious_Male · 06-02-2005, 03:02 PM

Yes .xxx will protect the children

This shit cracks me up.

Connor · 06-02-2005, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx.

Joan, I'd like to believe you on that one... but we've seen your letter. It's public record. How can we believe that ASACP has no position after seeing your letter and knowing that you are getting funding from ICM for every domain name sold?

JPeterman · 06-02-2005, 03:04 PM

If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already).

She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?

06-02-2005, 01:40 PM	#1
Joan Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: LA Posts: 191	ASACP's official statement on .XXX I was surprised about the current postings on GFY on .xxx and ASACP. All this information has been available to the public since 5/17/04. I would like to make a few statements. 1. The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography and protect children on the internet. It does this by providing a CP reporting hotline. It also provides an Approved Member program which offers the benefit to its members of monitoring their sites which provides proof to government agencies that these adult sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well. 2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies." 3. Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP. 4. Recently, ASACP changed its name to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection to more effectively represent its members and nonprofit status, and work in harmony with government agencies and mainstream associations. The organization`s prior name and site no longer reflected the depth of its expanded mission. (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html). 5. ASACP has provided a child pornography reporting hotline since 1996 and sends over 3000 validated reports to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and other relevant international hotlines annually. Last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html). The P2P PATROL initiative, which represents a voluntary collaboration of technology and related service companies along with government agencies and trade groups, offers programs focusing on education, deterrence, and enforcement for combating online child pornography, and operates the P2Ppatrol.com website. CPHotline.org is a valuable tool complimenting P2P PATROL in helping consumers who inadvertently encounter CP to recognize, remove, and report it. 6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method. 7. As indicated by their work with the P2P Patrol, ASACP is pleased to help other groups be more effective in their efforts. On May 17, 2004, ASACP wrote a letter to IFFOR supporting their efforts to protect children; "I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community." 8. As stated in the letter of 5/17/05 9 http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...msg00061.html), "ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", just as it was negotiation with P2P Patrol (refer to #4 above). 9. My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year. __________________ ASACP - Protecting Your Business By Protecting Children

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Aly President, ePufferProfits Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,881	Thanks Joan. __________________ . . Aly's ICQ: 51504163 . Aly's Email: [email protected]

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,478	How many people are seriously going to report CP using their cellphones? Is this really worth your time?

06-02-2005, 01:44 PM	#5
Nader Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 5,086	Good read Joan, Thanks for all the info! Keep it up

06-02-2005, 01:45 PM	#7
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	gofuckyourself.xxx looks tough

06-02-2005, 01:45 PM	#8
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	Very nice writeup answered some of my questions

06-02-2005, 01:46 PM	#10
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	se sig i think

06-02-2005, 01:47 PM	#11
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Fuck you and your sigs and fuck the wannabe internet police aka ASACP

06-02-2005, 01:52 PM	#15
invasion Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: boca raton, fl Posts: 218	Thanks Joan and Gracie Much appreciated why does everyone hate when only others want to help - no matter how good or bad it is?

06-02-2005, 01:52 PM	#16
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	.xxx is a stupid, stupid idea. That's what the bitching is about. It has nothing to do with fighting CP. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

06-02-2005, 01:53 PM	#18
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	As was posted in another thread, most people will not say what they really think because they are afraid to offend an anti-child porn organization. Every right wing pro-censorship anti-porn group claims they are doing what they do in the name of protecting children. If you say anything bad about ASACP, you are helping the terrorists! __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

06-02-2005, 01:54 PM	#19
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Sorry but this whole .xxx thing still stinks...ALOT

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wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	Premium sigspot

06-02-2005, 02:12 PM	#29
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	.....and that ends this advertorial for ASACP. Cliff Notes: "ASACP has no view whatsover on .XXX"

06-02-2005, 02:13 PM	#31
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,483	Joan - you might want to take a look at this...you guys are getting slammed pretty hard: http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/news/vfrd0605.cfm __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

06-02-2005, 02:13 PM	#32
TopBucks_Juan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 235	Good Stuff! Joan & Gracie, You all do a great job over there and we are behind you 100%. __________________ Juan Figueroa - Marketing & Account Management www.TopBucks.com ICQ# 241137959

06-02-2005, 02:13 PM	#33
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06-02-2005, 02:18 PM	#34
Connor Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,294	Joan - I'm glad that you replied, and I have a tremendous amount of repsect for you personally. I'm sorry that we're on opposite ends of this issue, and I'm sure there will be other issues on which we both agree. Dot XXX will never be one of them, however. The problem is that ASACP in fact DID support the creation of dot xxx. That's what you're doing when you send in a letter to ICANN during the application process saying that you "applaud" and "support" ICM. You are helping to make something possible that affects the ENTIRE industry. I don't know who at ASACP made that decision... was it the advisory council? Was it you personally? Whoever made that decision made a choice that affects a whole lot of webmasters, and made it IN SPITE of the fact that the only public industry meeting on .XXX resulted in a DOWN vote. If that choice goes bad for a lot of people then certainly you can see how they would be a little upset at the people who affected their business. ICM needed the support of industry groups in order to get their application approved. Your organization helped tham get that approval, and without that approval we wouldn't be facing the significant censorship threats that we are now facing. As far as comparing this to applying for funding... come on Joan, that's not a very effective way to explain this. There were strings attached to this funding, and to accept the money you had to support something that can significantly harm the industry. Will the funding be worth it when some Senator tries to make dot XXX mandatory? Will the funding be worth it when Visa decides only people on .XXX sites will be processed? I thought the adult industry was doing a fantastic job supporting ASACP. In Sacramento, I can't think of how many times I plugged ASACP to one of the senators or councilmen I spoke to on behalf of the industry. So many companies have stepped up with donations. Weren't we as an industry doing a good enough job supporting ASACP? Why did your organization have to accept funding from ICM when you KNEW that doing so could result in all kinds of problems for the adult industry as a whole? Frankly Joan I don't think you're in a defensible position. All this may be old news to you, but it's not to a lot of the industry. And I think it's only going to get worse when the first congressman announces his plan to make dot XXX mandatory and the industry is facing YET ANOTHER big legal fight, this one brought about by small groups of people INSIDE the industry. And if private industries start using dot XXX against us... oh man! I spoke with you about this several months ago and pointed out some of my concerns. I asked you to consider revoking your support of dot XXX, but didn't hear back from you. I didn't know at that time that ASACP was getting funding for their support. I know that funding is important for any organization, but there HAS to be a point where the damage caused by accepting the funds isn't worth it. __________________ YNOT v5 IS NOW LIVE! \| SEEN YNOT MAIL YET?

06-02-2005, 02:22 PM	#39
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain? Regardless of what the post above says, their support for the .xxx extension was part of what allowed it to be approved. Will they do the right thing and try to reverse the damage that has been done by taking a position against a mandatory .xxx if that is proposed? __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

06-02-2005, 02:27 PM	#43
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	ICM * To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx * Subject: ICM * From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx * Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400 ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising awareness about this subject. ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to the F.B.I and NCMEC. ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography. I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community. Sincerely, Joan Irvine Executive Director ASACP We had no view thats funny how stupid do you think we are. Remember this when you pass their booth at the shows.

06-02-2005, 02:28 PM	#44
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06-02-2005, 02:48 PM	#47
Joan Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: LA Posts: 191	[QUOTE=Mr.Fiction]Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain? ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx. __________________ ASACP - Protecting Your Business By Protecting Children

06-02-2005, 03:02 PM	#48
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	Yes .xxx will protect the children This shit cracks me up. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

06-02-2005, 03:04 PM	#50
JPeterman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10	If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already). She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?