Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh?

Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Once your stuff is on the tubes there is no other way. I went the other route and do everything BUT tubes. Ratios and sales improving for all lines of business each and every month. You have to personally work at it. Tube traffic is a joke to content owners. A bad joke.

I promote one Japanese program that viciously keeps stuff off the tubes and file lockers.
My ratios for all time are under 1:350 and last two months 1:202. What are your ratios on the tubes?

Maybe hire an in-house staff for working your sites. Try shooting unique content.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's amazing how many sponsors still don't get this. Of course I doubt you are saying 100% no sales any other way but it is common sense. If you give it all away for free or most of it your other sales will suffer eventually at some point.

From observation I saw a common pattern:

1. Piracy causes sales to slip overall.
2. Affiliate sales decrease.
3. Sponsor gives in and starts a tube campaign with long videos.
4. Sponsor sees "success" and thinks "Oh boy! Free sales!"
5. Affiliate sales begin radically declining at an accelerated pace now.
6. Sponsor starts seeing diminishing returns from tube campaigns.
7. Affiliate sales are almost non-existent now
8. Sales from tube campaigns further decline, diminishing returns.
9. Sponsor goes out of business

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

You are correct about that. Not 100% but programs with tube deals end up kicking affiliates in the nuts. I said that first when pimproll rolled out their tubes. Now you have affiliates in 10-2013 asking for sponsor listings who do not work with tubes. Evidence is pretty much there. Your 1-9 sums it up well.