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NewNick · 10-25-2013, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Not by my choice man. It seems like everytime anybody says something negative about piracy...they get crucified.

Suddenly I am the bad guy and am being attacked. Makes no sense to me.

Farrell is the asshole coming on here our of nowhere and calling me a thief and trying to disparage all the things I've ever done and proud of. I suppose he's trying to make himself feel better. Doesn't matter to me.

I said earlier how I felt about it...before he started attacking me personally and trying to justify his own bullshit.

But like y'all pointed out...it just "Robbie-ized" the thread and takes the attention off the subject matter. Which is exactly what it's supposed to do I guess.

I have no interest in your argument - but I too am constantly amazed how the tide has turned.

The apologists for piracy seem to be the most vociferous. Whenever anyone tries to do anything about piracy you get Dame wittering on about how it will never stop it so you should not try, and now its ok for Manwin et al to make millions form piracy because everyone has done something dishonest at least once in their lives. It really is such bullshit.

A) It is not ok for me to come into your house and steal everything you have because you once used a pirated piece of software. Not legally or morally.

B) Not acting against piracy because it wont cure the world of copyright infringement is not an argument. Murder was not eliminated by creating laws to punish murderers. This is a truly ridiculous argument.

C) Fabian leaves Manwin to a reported large payout. It does not mean he was a creative genius that invented technologies and processes that opened new markets and changed the way adult services are monetized. The reality is he headed up an enterprise that was already working the DMCA loop whole on an industrial scale before he took over. Under his leadership he failed in his attempt to legitimize the company, and his ego became his downfall.

Lets get things into perspective.

JFK · 10-25-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Lets get things into perspective,........Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. (Evil1, 19th April 2012)

That's why I'm quoting you on this

NewNick · 10-25-2013, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

That's why I'm quoting you on this

QFT ?

JFK · 10-25-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

QFT ?

Well, this thread got jacked a few pages ago, so my quote cant be any worse

slapass · 10-25-2013, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Speaking from experience, the gay companies that were comrades in the Acacia Defense Group were stand up companies run by savvy, professional, and resolute individuals, people that could be counted on when things there were at the bleakest and costliest. So my hunch is that it has less to do with faith in their abilities than it has to do with lack of communication and coordination between the hetero and gay sides of the business due mostly to... you guessed it... latent and blatant homophobia on the straight side of the equation.

People need to realize that asking help from gay companies to fight piracy doesn't automatically make anyone a butt pirate.

The fact that they protect their stuff should be able to be moved to the straight side. That is the crazy part, the whole system is in place but not used.

mikesouth · 10-25-2013, 08:21 AM

MindGeek word of the day

Far-L · 10-25-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Whatever man.

Go ahead and attack me and my integrity. And brag about how well you are converting tube traffic built on the backs of stolen content. Good for you.

Sorry to hear that you have to resort to that to stay in business. So far I haven't had to.

As for "emails" you are getting. I could care less. I know what I have done.

And I'm calling you a liar straight up. You never "caught" me cookie stuffing because I don't.

You don't know what "cookie stuffing" is. Hell, I'm surprised you can even post on a forum.

I have had you act like a fucking jackass to me on this forum over and over and over. And I have done my best to not get crazy about it out of respect.
But you don't seem to have any. So I no longer care.

Fuck you. And I'll tell you that to your face the first chance I get.

Funny, because most programs I know frown on 0x0 iframes and clearly state using them is a TOS violation. You are just pissed because I called you out and let you demonstrate what a hypocrite you truly are.

Feel free to tell me to fuck off. Call me an asshole. Take a swing at me if it makes you feel better next time you see me. None of that will change the facts. I didn't come out of nowhere. I just spoke up because I didn't want you to keep throwing stones in your glass house.

Personally, I think you should be apologizing at this point but go ahead and keep getting more vindictive if it makes you feel better.

Robbie · 10-25-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Funny, because most programs I know frown on 0x0 iframes and clearly state using them is a TOS violation.

That is exactly what cookie stuffing is: a 1x1 frame.
I didn't do that. I had your tour in a 700 x 1000 frame so that surfers could see the tour and I linked to your site right above the vid and right below it and then below that with the tour.

Robbie · 10-25-2013, 10:01 AM

Also Far-L, I have written you a small novel in the form of a private message on here so that this stupidity will no longer thread-jack this subject.

Far-L · 10-25-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That is exactly what cookie stuffing is: a 1x1 frame.
I didn't do that. I had your tour in a 700 x 1000 frame so that surfers could see the tour and I linked to your site right above the vid and right below it and then below that with the tour.

Wow, at that size you wouldn't think it would be so hard to find.

The Porn Nerd · 10-25-2013, 11:32 AM

The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh?

Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL

Captain Kawaii · 10-25-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh?

Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL

Once your stuff is on the tubes there is no other way. I went the other route and do everything BUT tubes. Ratios and sales improving for all lines of business each and every month. You have to personally work at it. Tube traffic is a joke to content owners. A bad joke.

I promote one Japanese program that viciously keeps stuff off the tubes and file lockers.
My ratios for all time are under 1:350 and last two months 1:202. What are your ratios on the tubes?

Maybe hire an in-house staff for working your sites. Try shooting unique content.

_Richard_ · 10-25-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

QFT ?

funny what people take as metaphor, and what people take as literal

adultmobile · 10-25-2013, 03:30 PM

I am in GFY just to read the Manwin/Fabian posts

signupdamnit · 10-25-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Once your stuff is on the tubes there is no other way.

It's amazing how many sponsors still don't get this. Of course I doubt you are saying 100% no sales any other way but it is common sense. If you give it all away for free or most of it your other sales will suffer eventually at some point.

From observation I saw a common pattern:

1. Piracy causes sales to slip overall.
2. Affiliate sales decrease.
3. Sponsor gives in and starts a tube campaign with long videos.
4. Sponsor sees "success" and thinks "Oh boy! Free sales!"
5. Affiliate sales begin radically declining at an accelerated pace now.
6. Sponsor starts seeing diminishing returns from tube campaigns.
7. Affiliate sales are almost non-existent now
8. Sales from tube campaigns further decline, diminishing returns.
9. Sponsor goes out of business

Due · 10-26-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's amazing how many sponsors still don't get this. Of course I doubt you are saying 100% no sales any other way but it is common sense. If you give it all away for free or most of it your other sales will suffer eventually at some point.

From observation I saw a common pattern:

1. Piracy causes sales to slip overall.
2. Affiliate sales decrease.
3. Sponsor gives in and starts a tube campaign with long videos.
4. Sponsor sees "success" and thinks "Oh boy! Free sales!"
5. Affiliate sales begin radically declining at an accelerated pace now.
6. Sponsor starts seeing diminishing returns from tube campaigns.
7. Affiliate sales are almost non-existent now
8. Sales from tube campaigns further decline, diminishing returns.
9. Sponsor goes out of business

I think part of that reason is that there have been a lot of sponsors who produced template pay sites as if they where a factory.
It became easier to produce a new pay site every 2 weeks with 100 hosted galleries / 50 promo videos than actually building and maintaining a couple of websites.
One of the reasons was that many affiliates switched to automated promotion tools, auto import galleries and videos. all build on templates etc. so it obviously would but convert.

it's not the free content that is the main thing hurting sales, it's when you start promoting sites being blindfolded.

Captain Kawaii · 10-26-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's amazing how many sponsors still don't get this. Of course I doubt you are saying 100% no sales any other way but it is common sense. If you give it all away for free or most of it your other sales will suffer eventually at some point.

From observation I saw a common pattern:

1. Piracy causes sales to slip overall.
2. Affiliate sales decrease.
3. Sponsor gives in and starts a tube campaign with long videos.
4. Sponsor sees "success" and thinks "Oh boy! Free sales!"
5. Affiliate sales begin radically declining at an accelerated pace now.
6. Sponsor starts seeing diminishing returns from tube campaigns.
7. Affiliate sales are almost non-existent now
8. Sales from tube campaigns further decline, diminishing returns.
9. Sponsor goes out of business

You are correct about that. Not 100% but programs with tube deals end up kicking affiliates in the nuts. I said that first when pimproll rolled out their tubes. Now you have affiliates in 10-2013 asking for sponsor listings who do not work with tubes. Evidence is pretty much there. Your 1-9 sums it up well.

Captain Kawaii · 10-26-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Due

I think part of that reason is that there have been a lot of sponsors who produced template pay sites as if they where a factory.
It became easier to produce a new pay site every 2 weeks with 100 hosted galleries / 50 promo videos than actually building and maintaining a couple of websites.
One of the reasons was that many affiliates switched to automated promotion tools, auto import galleries and videos. all build on templates etc. so it obviously would but convert.

it's not the free content that is the main thing hurting sales, it's when you start promoting sites being blindfolded.

Naw, I met an old guy at a Japanese market the other day. He said he used to pay then he discovered xhamster. He said "no need to pay any more right?"

Times that a few hundred million and you have today's sales.

Far-L · 10-26-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh?

Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL

I have not really seen that being the case. From my point of view, if you can convert tube traffic you can convert anything. Also, at least from our experience, it is important to have a balance of organic, SEO, and affiliate marketing. You never want all your eggs in one basket... as we have had to learn the hard way more times than I care to admit to

Magnetron · 10-27-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh?

Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Once your stuff is on the tubes there is no other way. I went the other route and do everything BUT tubes. Ratios and sales improving for all lines of business each and every month. You have to personally work at it. Tube traffic is a joke to content owners. A bad joke.

I promote one Japanese program that viciously keeps stuff off the tubes and file lockers.
My ratios for all time are under 1:350 and last two months 1:202. What are your ratios on the tubes?

Maybe hire an in-house staff for working your sites. Try shooting unique content.

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's amazing how many sponsors still don't get this. Of course I doubt you are saying 100% no sales any other way but it is common sense. If you give it all away for free or most of it your other sales will suffer eventually at some point.

From observation I saw a common pattern:

1. Piracy causes sales to slip overall.
2. Affiliate sales decrease.
3. Sponsor gives in and starts a tube campaign with long videos.
4. Sponsor sees "success" and thinks "Oh boy! Free sales!"
5. Affiliate sales begin radically declining at an accelerated pace now.
6. Sponsor starts seeing diminishing returns from tube campaigns.
7. Affiliate sales are almost non-existent now
8. Sales from tube campaigns further decline, diminishing returns.
9. Sponsor goes out of business

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

You are correct about that. Not 100% but programs with tube deals end up kicking affiliates in the nuts. I said that first when pimproll rolled out their tubes. Now you have affiliates in 10-2013 asking for sponsor listings who do not work with tubes. Evidence is pretty much there. Your 1-9 sums it up well.

Hmmm ..... ummm ..... yeah ..... http://m2.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1119567

adultmobile · 10-28-2013, 05:24 AM

Since no one cared to this Fabian thread lately, Mike went to complain on the filelocker threads:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1124551

signupdamnit · 10-28-2013, 05:48 AM

So is it really true that Manwin is in trouble and downsizing? If true this should be a wake up call to some in our industry who say the tube model is the best thing to happen to us. IF the largest adult company and the clear leader in tube sites is having trouble then that is not good for those who think the tube sites are net positive for us as an industry.

mikesouth · 10-28-2013, 09:08 AM

Check out www.manwin.com

but hey what do I know......called that one though.....

DWB · 10-28-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Check out www.manwin.com

but hey what do I know......called that one though.....

You nailed that one.

Ditch the controversial owner or front man, change the name, distance yourself a little from the bad name Manwin has, and carry on. Rinse, repeat. The Mansef shuffle.

mikesouth · 10-28-2013, 09:32 AM

as of Oct 31 they lose their sirus sat radio channel too....another manwin success story.

Shap · 11-01-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Shap still looks happy about the deal

LOL Awesome photo

slapass · 05-19-2014, 05:37 AM

I wonder how this is working out?

javbucks · 05-19-2014, 07:39 AM

He looks like a goober wow

xXXtesy10 · 05-19-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

I wonder how this is working out?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-19-2014, 07:59 AM

Meet the new boss (Feras Antoon), same as the old boss:

They changed their name from Mansef to Manwin to MindGeek, but the song remains the same, let's just hope that we don't get fooled again!

ADG

Kelli58 · 05-19-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

They changed their name from Mansef to Manwin to MindGeek, but the song remains the same, let's just hope that we don't get fooled again!

Sadly we seem to have a very short memory in our industry. I mean look at what Mr. Marcus did and people are always starting to consider working with him again.

JA$ON · 05-19-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Meet the new boss (Feras Antoon), same as the old boss:

They changed their name from Mansef to Manwin to MindGeek, but the song remains the same, let's just hope that we don't get fooled again!

ADG

Ya, he's ben there since day 1. Honestly.....he is one of the smarter and absolutely one of the nicer and more honest people I know in this business. Thats just from my dealings with him, both business and personal.

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The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,496	The funny thing to me is: people who monetize from tubes (of which I am one) can't seem to monetize any other way. Yet those who do NOT monetize via tube submissions seem to be doing fine and won't go near tubes. Why is that? Why can't we all get along heh? Seriously tho: I would love - repeat: L-O-V-E love love love - to get traffic from SEO. Or from any other source of traffic. Perhaps I will "work" my affiliates more but many (who are left) DO promote my sites on their Blogs, free sites, TGPs etc but still the sales come mostly from tube submissions. I'd like to do BOTH but it seems to be difficult to do so. Maybe it's just me. LOL __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	as of Oct 31 they lose their sirus sat radio channel too....another manwin success story. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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