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Dodododa · 01-10-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

bullshit. people shit their pants when something real happens. even soldiers typically don't shoot to kill, most shoot high or not at all..most people would just panic and run. not take the time to take the gun out of the holster, take off the saftey, aim, fire. by that time the guy could of taken out 10 people including the guy with the gun.

Well people get shot every day, someone must be shooting them.

suesheboy · 01-10-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

the simple fact is that's not a situation in which people carrying could realistically have shot down that shooter before he was able to fire a full clip into a crowd.

he was tackled when he tried to reload, which is as reasonable and effective a response as you could hope for.

if a carrier had been close, in the position to take a legitimate shot, yes they might have shot him before he emptied the clip, but the odds of that occurring are low.

and in this case, the odds won out, the clip was emptied, and he was tackled.

all the better that he was taken alive.

#1 it is a magazine not a clip.

#2 the second high capacity after market magazine FAILED. If it didn't, more people would have been injured or killed.

#3 I find it hard to believe no one else was carrying in the vicinity. It may have been the mantra "every bullet comes with a lawyer" that stopped a carrying good sam from helping.

Bill8 · 01-10-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

#1 it is a magazine not a clip.

#2 the second high capacity after market magazine FAILED. If it didn't, more people would have been injured or killed.

#3 I find it hard to believe no one else was carrying in the vicinity. It may have been the mantra "every bullet comes with a lawyer" that stopped a carrying good sam from helping.

1. technically true, but calling it a clip is not uncommon slang, even tho a clip is a device for loading a certain class of rifles. I'm not anal about using the exactly correct technical term, and everyone understood what I meant.

2. possibly, that's outside my pool of information about the event.

3. possibly, but the bottom line is that nobody took a shot. I would not have taken a shot in a crowd unless I was in a very specific position with regards to the shooter.

I'm sure those of us with some experience can model out what we would have done, depending on where we were positioned with regards to the shooter, the lines of fire, the weapon, and the shooting arm.

Yo Adrian · 01-10-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

he would've never gotten away with it at an NRA meeting :P

It's easy to say something like this couldn't happen at an NRA meeting or at a Palin rally, but the truth is this guy had a semi automatic weapon with an extended clip.. it only took seconds for this guy to unload on the crowd.

Let's not forget that this guy was taken DOWN immediately by 2 men and a middle aged woman, who managed to wrestle the backup clip out of his hand.

What would you do if you heard gun shots ring out while shopping at Walgreens? The 3rd guy to jump on the shooter heard the shots and immediately ran toward them. If that's not gun state mentality I don't know what is.

Some Guy · 01-10-2011, 04:16 PM

Holy shit. I used to live in Tucson. Crazy stuff.

kbauerctu · 01-10-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Democrats are anti-gun.
Get back to me when they try it at a republican rally.
Dopes

Let's not have it happen at any rally!

Yo Adrian · 01-10-2011, 04:49 PM

So much talk about the congreswoman.. national media is sending out pleads to pray for her and such. It must be brutal for the parents of the 9 year old girl who was killed. I really hope Giffords pulls through, but it's sad that she gets all the national sympathy. Interesting fact about the 9 yr old, she was born on 9/11/2001.

Nikki_Licks · 01-10-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yo Adrian

So much talk about the congreswoman.. national media is sending out pleads to pray for her and such. It must be brutal for the parents of the 9 year old girl who was killed. I really hope Giffords pulls through, but it's sad that she gets all the national sympathy. Interesting fact about the 9 yr old, she was born on 9/11/2001.

It is pretty sad that the congress woman is getting all the attention. There were quite a few injured and I have no idea of how many passed from this. The facts about the girl and watching the interview with her Father tugs at the heart strings.......
May she rest in peace.

Vendzilla · 01-10-2011, 09:31 PM

You guys know that Gifford was backing the carry law in that state right? At least thats what I heard on the news today

_Richard_ · 01-11-2011, 09:15 AM

what does gifford backing the gun laws have to do with her getting shot?

CDSmith · 01-11-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Yo Adrian

The 3rd guy to jump on the shooter heard the shots and immediately ran toward them. If that's not gun state mentality I don't know what is.

Not to mention ballsy.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 07:07 PM

Turns out a carrier ran towards the shooting - and fortunately stopped short of shooting another person who jumped in to help and wrestled away the gun.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018893/ns/slatecom/

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The new poster boy for this agenda is Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident. Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. "Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help," says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!'"

But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

Zamudio agreed:

"I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. ? I was really lucky."

When Zamudio was asked what kind of weapons training he'd had, he answered: "My father raised me around guns ? so I'm really comfortable with them. But I've never been in the military or had any professional training. I just reacted."

The Arizona Daily Star, based on its interview with Zamudio, adds two details to the story. First, upon seeing the man with the gun, Zamudio "grabbed his arm and shoved him into a wall" before realizing he wasn't the shooter. And second, one reason why Zamudio didn't pull out his own weapon was that "he didn't want to be confused as a second gunman."

This is a much more dangerous picture than has generally been reported. Zamudio had released his safety and was poised to fire when he saw what he thought was the killer still holding his weapon. Zamudio had a split second to decide whether to shoot. He was sufficiently convinced of the killer's identity to shove the man into a wall. But Zamudio didn't use his gun. That's how close he came to killing an innocent man. He was, as he acknowledges, "very lucky."

That's what happens when you run with a firearm to a scene of bloody havoc. In the chaos and pressure of the moment, you can shoot the wrong person. Or, by drawing your weapon, you can become the wrong person?a hero mistaken for a second gunman by another would-be hero with a gun. Bang, you're dead. Or worse, bang bang bang bang bang: a firefight among several armed, confused, and innocent people in a crowd. It happens even among trained soldiers. Among civilians, the risk is that much greater.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 07:11 PM

and after a successful product demo glocks are flying off the shelves.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-giffords.html

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After a Glock-wielding gunman killed six people at a Tucson shopping center on Jan. 8, Greg Wolff, the owner of two Arizona gun shops, told his manager to get ready for a stampede of new customers.

Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix.

?We?re at double our volume over what we usually do,? Wolff said two days after the shooting spree that also left 14 wounded, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in critical condition.

A national debate over weaknesses in state and federal gun laws stirred by the shooting has stoked fears among gun buyers that stiffer restrictions may be coming from Congress, gun dealers say. The result is that a deadly demonstration of the weapon?s effectiveness has also fired up sales of handguns in Arizona and other states, according to federal law enforcement data.

?When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff,? Wolff said.

Smokieflame · 01-11-2011, 07:22 PM

Lets just say AZ has some fucking retarded opinions and laws on guns. Just 6 months ago anyone who could carry a gun became able to carry them concealed and able to take them into places such as BARS! YA Great fucking IDEA! Im all for everyone unless licensed properly must give up there rights to guns here. The desert makes people do some dumb ass shit trust me I have seen it all living here and Texas all my life.

Lester Burnham · 01-11-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Gun advocates are usually not at places where liberals are speaking.

Like supermarkets and Safeways? Good to know lol.

Vendzilla · 01-11-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester Burnham

Like supermarkets and Safeways? Good to know lol.

Safeway is a supermarket.

Lester Burnham · 01-11-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Safeway is a supermarket.

Ummm...I know. That's the point lol.

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