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DEA - banned for life · 01-11-2011, 08:05 AM

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BlackCrayon · 01-11-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sorry clown.
there are emails and a 911 call.
but please, continue with your false argument.

emails calling teachers con artists and the college a torture facility? wow. a 911 call because the kid wouldn't leave the school? oh no. my mom is a highschool teacher. shes had students call her and tell her if she goes to school today she will be killed. and these kids just get suspended. that sounds much worse than anything this kid ever did.

like, i said, its nothing when you look at it. the ramblings of a crazy person, sure but are we now assuming all crazy people are going to kill people? i'm willing to bet there are number of people on this board with schizophrenia. do you now see them as threats? potential killers? because they are just people like me and you.

i also find it very interesting that everyone is saying they were worried he would come back with a gun, yet did nothing about it. not only that but how many times was this kid told he looks like someone who would shoot up the place? it seems possible this thought was drilled into the kids head to the point where he thought he should become what everyone already thought he was. just like when you tell a kid don't do this don't do that, well the kid never thought to do those things until you put the idea that he shouldn't do them into his head. i'm sure you won't get this though as the world you live in seems to be very black and white. you just want the easy answers. hes crazy, yep, end of story.

12clicks · 01-11-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

emails calling teachers con artists and the college a torture facility? wow. a 911 call because the kid wouldn't leave the school? oh no. my mom is a highschool teacher. shes had students call her and tell her if she goes to school today she will be killed. and these kids just get suspended. that sounds much worse than anything this kid ever did.

like, i said, its nothing when you look at it. the ramblings of a crazy person, sure but are we now assuming all crazy people are going to kill people? i'm willing to bet there are number of people on this board with schizophrenia. do you now see them as threats? potential killers? because they are just people like me and you.

i also find it very interesting that everyone is saying they were worried he would come back with a gun, yet did nothing about it. not only that but how many times was this kid told he looks like someone who would shoot up the place? it seems possible this thought was drilled into the kids head to the point where he thought he should become what everyone already thought he was. just like when you tell a kid don't do this don't do that, well the kid never thought to do those things until you put the idea that he shouldn't do them into his head. i'm sure you won't get this though as the world you live in seems to be very black and white. you just want the easy answers. hes crazy, yep, end of story.

the lengths you'll go to to seem right in the face of facts proving you wrong is very entertaining.

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

the lengths you'll go to to seem right in the face of facts proving you wrong is very entertaining.

i don't care about being right. just saying if you think those are dangerous warning signs, you are out of touch.

DEA - banned for life · 01-11-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't care about being right. just saying if you think those are dangerous warning signs, you are out of touch.

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DEA

ha, yeah i'm not saying hes not crazy at all but if you believe the so called warning signs are the warning signs of a killer, then you have killers on every highschool and college campus across america and the world.

Rochard · 01-11-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

everyone keeps saying he was obviously disturbed..if it was so obvious how did he make it his 23 years without a single psych eval or anything? he couldn't of acted that crazy. his parents most likely thought he was just a troubled loner who has a hard time making/keeping friends. how often do parents think something like that would turn into a shooting rampage? even if the kid told their parents things like people should be shot, ect do you think every parent that hears this should be calling the police or something?

There is a huge gray area where people can operate without being normal.

Case in point is a friend of mine. He has "water on the brain" and in the past twenty years has had some 14 surgeries on his brain. He's forty-six years old, but operates on the level of a sixteen year old kid. He's fully 100% medically retired from the post office and US Army, and hasn't worked in twenty years. He has a truck and an apartment, but otherwise functions as a teenager with no responsibility other than a handful of bills. The only conversations he can have is about working at the post office, his last wife, and then high school. Current events, pop culture; He no concept of what's going on in the world around him. He is utterly oblivious.

He operates as a normal human being. But the first time you met him, within five minutes, he'll either be talking about the post office, high school, or his last wife. And after you've met him a few times you figure out that the light is on, but no one is home - he's an empty shell.

Clearly he has brain damage. But both his friends and family assume that he's been tested somewhere along the line and someone has decided he is "medically fit" to be a member of society. The scary thing is that he is well armed; He has a handgun, and recently purchased an AR15.

Cherry7 · 01-11-2011, 10:00 AM

The reason you have the right to bear arms was in response to European Monarchs who had a monopoly on weapons and therefore iot was difficult to overthrow governments.

So thats what the guns are for, so either overthrow the government or hand the bloody things in.

The idea was never that you use them against each other.

DEA - banned for life · 01-11-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

The reason you have the right to bear arms was in response to European Monarchs who had a monopoly on weapons and therefore iot was difficult to overthrow governments.

So thats what the guns are for, so either overthrow the government or hand the bloody things in.

The idea was never that you use them against each other.

the internet wasnt intended for porn ..so unless you are using it for that..turn in your computers

we live in a very big and different world than we did in the 1700's .asking everyone to just turn in there guns and expecting a majority to do it is about as senseless as asking people who arent using there computers for buissness to turn them in..just not gonna happen..its way too late

Caligari · 01-11-2011, 10:25 AM

Neighbor: Parents of shooting suspect devastated
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110111/...woman_shot_113

"They want to know, where did they fail? I told them they didn't fail. They taught him everything about right and wrong. We all know you can teach someone everything and have no control how it works out."

Roxanne Osler, of Tucson, whose son had been a friend of Jared Loughner's, said he had a bad relationship with his parents and had distanced himself from family.

if the parents distance themselves from their child while the kid is still living with them, something is drastically wrong with the parenting - or if the parents allow their child to distance himself from them while he is living with them...not good

"What Jared did was wrong. But people need to know about him," she told The Washington Post. "I wish people would have taken a better notice of him and gotten him help. ... He had nobody, and that's not a nice place to be."

It is obvious from this statement that the neighbors knew something was up...where were the parents?

In other words, the parents themselves feel guilty as hell as they should be.
This is not a gun related issue, its a parenting issue.

Cherry7 · 01-11-2011, 10:27 AM

If you don't believe in change, why bother posting.

Having guns lying around is plain crazy in the opinion of most of the worlds population except the US...

If you have the will to disarm I am sure you could.

The only purpose of a gun is to kill people. To compare it to a computer is lame.

The UK has minorities and poverty but we don't feel the need to tool up.

Tom_PM · 01-11-2011, 10:39 AM

It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points.

You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics.

And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot.

OY · 01-11-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points.

You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics.

And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot.

I am not a believer in a complete gun ban - but ANY assault weapons outside of the military is just plain nuts. And right now in the US, it is nuts.

Jman · 01-11-2011, 12:26 PM

At the end of the day it'll end back to the sticks and rocks

Amputate Your Head · 01-11-2011, 12:27 PM

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Example : 911 ...the biggest attack against american citizens inside the confines of the continental USA was achieved with box cutters .

I have a bridge to sell you.

digitaldivas · 01-11-2011, 12:34 PM

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." -Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -James Madison

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. -George Washington

DEA - banned for life · 01-11-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points.

You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics.

And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot.

There really is no "loophole" at gun shows.Every single dealer that has a booth at a gun show will do a backround check before you can purchase a gun from them.

Also you would protect your family with the 9mm

... and go hunting with the ak-47

DEA - banned for life · 01-11-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by digitaldivas

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." -Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -James Madison

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. -George Washington

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_Richard_ · 01-11-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by digitaldivas

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." -Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -James Madison

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. -George Washington

PR_Glen · 01-11-2011, 01:15 PM

being rejected by the US army is a major flag... what the hell does it take to be rejected by them these days?? He show up dressed up as elton john?

fatfoo · 01-11-2011, 01:24 PM

It is bad news that Loughner Got a Gun. I think guns are not very hard to get in North America. My condolences to victims of shootings.

Rochard · 01-11-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

being rejected by the US army is a major flag... what the hell does it take to be rejected by them these days?? He show up dressed up as elton john?

I think with the recession and unemployment that our armed forces are being more selective these days. I know that all branches are making their recruiting goals these days, which makes sense.

OY · 01-11-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by digitaldivas

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." -Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -James Madison

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. -George Washington

The first two of these statements were made when weapons had to be loaded manually.... Mute statements in our society today. Other than that they sound great!

I wholeheartedly agree with good ole George though.

Vendzilla · 01-11-2011, 05:15 PM

It's funny that people are worried about criminals with guns and want to take guns away from those that follow the law, kinda like leaving the front door open at the local prison.

A ban on guns is even funnier coming from a group of people that can't afford a ban on free speech.

But we live in a world where the words of Samuel Clemens can be edited for political correctness and the most banned book of the last decade is Harry Potter.

Vendzilla · 01-11-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points.

You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics.

And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot.

Extended magazines are still not allowed in California.

I have hunted with a 40 cal pistol, one size bigger than a 9mm, hunting for wild pig.

I have also hunted with my AR-15.

You realize we already have over I think 20,000 guns laws on the books?

Just so you know, assault weapons are not used very often by criminals, mostly pistols are used, hard to hide a AK47 under your jacket.

Grapesoda · 01-11-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

being rejected by the US army is a major flag... what the hell does it take to be rejected by them these days?? He show up dressed up as elton john?

I was rejeted by the Navy: I have a 1911

munki · 01-11-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's funny that people are worried about criminals with guns and want to take guns away from those that follow the law, kinda like leaving the front door open at the local prison.

A ban on guns is even funnier coming from a group of people that can't afford a ban on free speech.

But we live in a world where the words of Samuel Clemens can be edited for political correctness and the most banned book of the last decade is Harry Potter.

Hippy Terrorists... Coming to a metro near you.

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Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	If you don't believe in change, why bother posting. Having guns lying around is plain crazy in the opinion of most of the worlds population except the US... If you have the will to disarm I am sure you could. The only purpose of a gun is to kill people. To compare it to a computer is lame. The UK has minorities and poverty but we don't feel the need to tool up. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points. You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics. And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	It's funny that people are worried about criminals with guns and want to take guns away from those that follow the law, kinda like leaving the front door open at the local prison. A ban on guns is even funnier coming from a group of people that can't afford a ban on free speech. But we live in a world where the words of Samuel Clemens can be edited for political correctness and the most banned book of the last decade is Harry Potter. __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that