FORBES says Obamacare is working, saving money, and is not socialism - GoFuckYourself.com

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 07:32 PM

I personally despise obama's health care bill - because it's a bailout to the health care industry, and corporate welfare.

but, there is no chance it will be repealed by the republicans, because the corporations want it and like it, especially the mandate forcing people to buy insurance.

so expect more like this - Forbes magazine, one of the big mouthpieces of our corporate masters, saying, "whattya know, Obamacare is cool, and not socialism."

fucking bummer - one of the few things the republicans could do that was worthwhile was repeal this forced transfer of people's money to the corporations, so we had a chance at a better bill.

I like this line - gee whiz - "to the great surprise of many" - lol, yeah right, this is EXACTLY the bill that the corporations wanted, and it is no surprise at all.

come on you lame ass fucking republicans, repeal this bill, so we can get a health care system with outcomes as good as those in other countries.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...-to-obamacare/

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The first statistics are coming in and, to the surprise of a great many, Obamacare might just be working to bring health care to working Americans precisely as promised.

The major health insurance companies around the country are reporting a significant increase in small businesses offering health care benefits to their employees.

Why?

Because the tax cut created in the new health care reform law providing small businesses with an incentive to give health benefits to employees is working.

We certainly did not expect to see this in this economy,” said Gary Claxton, who oversees an annual survey of employer health plans for the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation. “It’s surprising.”

How significant is the impact? While we won’t have full national numbers until small businesses file their 2010 tax returns this April, the anecdotal evidence is as meaningful as it is unexpected.

United Health Group, Inc., the nation’s largest health insurer, added 75,000 new customers working in businesses with fewer than 50 employees.

Coventry Health Care, Inc., a large provider of health insurance to small businesses, added 115,000 new workers in 2010 representing an 8% jump.

Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas City, the largest health insurer in the Kansas City, Mo. area, reports an astounding 58% increase in the number of small businesses purchasing coverage in their area since April, 2010-one month after the health care reform legislation became law.

“One of the biggest problems in the small-group market is affordability,” said Ron Rowe, who oversees small-group sales for the Kansas City operation for Blue Cross Blue Shied. “We looked at the tax credit and said, ‘this is perfect.”

Rowe went on to say that 38% of the businesses it is signing up had not offered health benefits before.

Whatever your particular ideology, there is simply no denying that these statistics are incredibly heartening. However, for those of you who cannot get past your opposition, even for a moment of universal good news, let’s break it down.

The primary, most enduring complaint of the opponents of the ACA has been that the law is deathly bad for small business.

Apparently, small businesses, and their employees, do not agree.

The next argument has been that the PPACA is a job killer.

If these small businesses found the new law to be so onerous, why have so many of them voluntarily taken advantage of the benefits provided in the law to give their employees these benefits? They were not mandated to do so. And to the extent that the coming mandate obligations might figure into their thinking, would you not imagine they would wait until 2014 to make a move as the rules do not go into effect until that time?

Of course, there is the nagging banter as to how Obamacare is leading us down the road to socialism.

Let it go, folks.

GatorB · 01-11-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

I personally despise obama's health care bill - because it's a bailout to the health care industry, and corporate welfare.

but, there is no chance it will be repealed by the republicans, because the corporations want it and like it, especially the mandate forcing people to buy insurance.

so expect more like this - Forbes magazine, one of the big mouthpieces of our corporate masters, saying, "whattya know, Obamacare is cool, and not socialism."

fucking bummer - one of the few things the republicans could do that was worthwhile was repeal this forced transfer of people's money to the corporations, so we had a chance at a better bill.

I like this line - gee whiz - "to the great surprise of many" - lol, yeah right, this is EXACTLY the bill that the corporations wanted, and it is no surprise at all.

come on you lame ass fucking republicans, repeal this bill, so we can get a health care system with outcomes as good as those in other countries.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...-to-obamacare/

Please the republicans answer to healthcare is pay for it yourself or die. The GOP controlled both house of congress and the white hosue for 6 years. what health care solutions did they come up with?

Also if forcing people to buy health insurance is wrong then how come I'm forced to buy auto and home insurance? You can't have it both ways.

DateDoc · 01-11-2011, 07:40 PM

The Republicans do not need to repeal it. They just have to keep introducing bills to repeal it then when they all fail they can blame the democrats and win the next election too. The rhetoric will be something likes this, "We tried and tried but the Democrats voted against it each and every time. They're spending more and more of your money. Bankrupting the USA. Vote them out! Vote for Republican <insert name> on Nov. 6th!"

GatorB · 01-11-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

The Republicans do not need to repeal it. They just have to keep introducing bills to repeal it then when they all fail they can blame the democrats and win the next election too. The rhetoric will be something likes this, "We tried and tried but the Democrats voted against it each and every time. They're spending more and more of your money. Bankrupting the USA. Vote them out! Vote for Republican <insert name> on Nov. 6th!"

Then they'll repeal it and replace it with NOTHING. Honestly do peole want to repeal sick kid being alowed ot stay on insurance? Do peole really want to repeal parents being able to keep kids on their policies until age 26? These things are in effect NOW. Repeal this and the first sick kid that dies beause his insurance got taken away is going to be the death knell for any republcian running for office.

Amputate Your Head · 01-11-2011, 07:48 PM

more lies from the NWO.

The Demon · 01-11-2011, 07:49 PM

It's sad how little GatorB knows about the world.

GatorB · 01-11-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

It's sad how little GatorB knows about the world.

says the 25 year old. what's your solution to the health problem little johnny? If you don;t kow then kindly STFU. Oh and quit stalking me, homo.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Also if forcing people to buy health insurance is wrong then how come I'm forced to buy auto and home insurance? You can't have it both ways.

the argument is, one is not required to buy a car or a house in order to exist. you and I may agree that this is ultimately a specious argument, at least as far as auto insurance goes, because to go without a car is impractical in 90% of this country.

however, that is the argument.

without a public option to force competition on a covertly monopolistic system, forcing people to buy insurance is basically a "private taxation" that directly benefits a health care corporate system, without doing anything to control costs.

The Demon · 01-11-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

says the 25 year old. what's your solution to the health problem little johnny? If you don;t kow then kindly STFU. Oh and quit stalking me, homo.

According to your uneducated ass, I've been 25 for 3 years

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

The Republicans do not need to repeal it. They just have to keep introducing bills to repeal it then when they all fail they can blame the democrats and win the next election too. The rhetoric will be something likes this, "We tried and tried but the Democrats voted against it each and every time. They're spending more and more of your money. Bankrupting the USA. Vote them out! Vote for Republican <insert name> on Nov. 6th!"

I think you have it exactly right.

the republican's claim that they will work to repeal it is a fraud, the corporations that control the republicans (and the corporations that control the democrats) won't allow them to repeal it.

but they will allow them to use it as political propaganda for the next election, as you say.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

more lies from the NWO.

yes.

but utterly predictable. expect more articles like this from the corporate rulers, and expect a feeble attempt to repeal from the republicans, while they take ever more campaign donations from the health care corporations.

and all the other corporations - with interlocking directorates and boards, the corporations are artificial superpersons serving the plutocratic class, and protecting the plutocrats from the people.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Then they'll repeal it and replace it with NOTHING. Honestly do peole want to repeal sick kid being alowed ot stay on insurance? Do peole really want to repeal parents being able to keep kids on their policies until age 26? These things are in effect NOW. Repeal this and the first sick kid that dies beause his insurance got taken away is going to be the death knell for any republcian running for office.

thats right.

then the population will get sicker and health care costs will skyrocker and large numbers of workers will be kicked off the current systems of health care, all at the same time that the boomer bulge suddenly floods the system with care needs.

then, next time, as things get worse, if we start to sufficiently scare the politicians, and replace enough incumbents, and purge the bureacracies, we may get a decent single payer system like the civilized countries.

paid for by stopping being the worlds corporate policemen and mercenaries. we will take the costs of decent health care out of the bloated defense budget, close down the imperial bases, and start rebuilding an economy based on our own real wealth.

tony286 · 01-11-2011, 08:57 PM

forbes is just some liberal publication lol

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Please the republicans answer to healthcare is pay for it yourself or die. The GOP controlled both house of congress and the white hosue for 6 years. what health care solutions did they come up with?

obamacare is just as republican as anything the republicans could have dreamed of.

as evidence, I present medicare plan b. which is arguably worse than obamacare, in terms of costs, and corporate welfare.

the thing is, I am telling you, obamacare WILL NOT BE REPEALED.

the corporations wanted it EXACTLY the way it is, and they are in charge.

the republicans won't even be successful in attacking it's funding, in doing their standard trick of unfunded or underfunded mandates. they will pretend to, for their base, but wonder of wonders, at the last minute they will always be "bipartisan".

while fox news wails and gets the base all riled up about those nasty democrats and their "socialism".

just like the wars, obamacare is corporate welfare. the republicans wont dare touch corporate money, or they won't get their campaigns funded.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

forbes is just some liberal publication lol

a mouthpiece of the liberal elites serving the corporations, yes.

whatever you read in forbes comes straight from the mouths of the corporate spinmasters.

bhutocracy · 01-11-2011, 09:04 PM

Well, they might repeal some of the costs to industry in the bill. It will be interesting to see how the justify leaving the mandate in afterwards though.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 09:13 PM

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It's sad how little GatorB knows about the world.

you are no better, and no wiser.

both of you just repeat the standard rhetoric of your respective clans.

the thing is, his health care system will not be repealed, and your hopes that your side will repeal it are an illusion based on a complete misunderstanding of root causes, and will be dashed.

nor will your side come up with a better solution to health care than the corporations have, for the next few decades before the US collapses.

and as the economy contracts and stratifies, both your sides will wail, and accomplish nothing.

because the health and purchasing power of the american workers is no longer important to the corporations - they have a whole planet to exploit, billions of workers and billions of consumers, and america is too old and weak to do anything about it.

The Demon · 01-11-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

you are no better, and no wiser.

both of you just repeat the standard rhetoric of your respective clans.

This is amusing coming from the extremely typical internet "I want people to think I'm different and a free thinker so I'm going to vomit the same rhetoric about government sucking, corporations sucking, and both parties sucking" fool. Now please, continue with your scripted nonsense.

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the thing is, his health care system will not be repealed, and your hopes that your side will repeal it are an illusion based on a complete misunderstanding of root causes, and will be dashed.

You're an idiot for the simple fact that you made up what my alleged "opinions" on the matter were, and then chose to argue against them. That's what we intelligent folk like to call a strawman. Any more humorous posts? I enjoy reading opinions I allegedly(but didn't) made.

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nor will your side come up with a better solution to health care than the corporations have, for the next few decades before the US collapses.

and as the economy contracts and stratifies, both your sides will wail, and accomplish nothing.

because the health and purchasing power of the american workers is no longer important to the corporations - they have a whole planet to exploit, billions of workers and billions of consumers, and america is too old and weak to do anything about it.

Yawn, corporations are bad, government is bad, the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer. Nothing I haven't heard from the "free thinking" internet crowd.

Bill8 · 01-11-2011, 09:36 PM

thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly.

the standard rhetoric from your clan, as I said.

yes, i also represent my clan, and yes, you correctly enough identify it as "internet free thinker", altho I haven't much heard or used that label.

I look forward to seeing your own original writing and thinking on these topics. maybe later, when you are less trapped in clan warfare.

The Demon · 01-11-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly.

the standard rhetoric from your clan, as I said.

yes, i also represent my clan, and yes, you correctly enough identify it as "internet free thinker", altho I haven't much heard or used that label.

I look forward to seeing your own original writing and thinking on these topics. maybe later, when you are less trapped in clan warfare.

I rest my case, that was easy. Continue embarrassing yourself in hopes of making people believe you're unique or a "Free thinker". Too bad you're too dumb to understand what that really means. Anyways, carry on the denial.

Splendorous_Male · 01-11-2011, 10:11 PM

Children, I do not trust Forbes. However, I do trust 12clicks and what he will have to say tomorrow.

oldbrad · 01-12-2011, 12:14 AM

Auto, home and health insurance are not even similar animals.

The auto and home insurance is not about you per se, but more about protecting other people as a result of something that may have to do with you or your property.

You wreck your car in to mine, I am affected.
Your house falls down and breaks my leg, I am affected.
You having hyper tension, brain tumor, heart disease, etc., I am not affected.

With all but health, you also have the choice to have the bare minimum which covers others and not your property.

Comparing the three as such isn't a decent arguement.

V_RocKs · 01-12-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Please the republicans answer to healthcare is pay for it yourself or die. The GOP controlled both house of congress and the white hosue for 6 years. what health care solutions did they come up with?

Also if forcing people to buy health insurance is wrong then how come I'm forced to buy auto and home insurance? You can't have it both ways.

This is what they did:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Scandal,_2003

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DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	The Republicans do not need to repeal it. They just have to keep introducing bills to repeal it then when they all fail they can blame the democrats and win the next election too. The rhetoric will be something likes this, "We tried and tried but the Democrats voted against it each and every time. They're spending more and more of your money. Bankrupting the USA. Vote them out! Vote for Republican <insert name> on Nov. 6th!" __________________

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oldbrad Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 58	Auto, home and health insurance are not even similar animals. The auto and home insurance is not about you per se, but more about protecting other people as a result of something that may have to do with you or your property. You wreck your car in to mine, I am affected. Your house falls down and breaks my leg, I am affected. You having hyper tension, brain tumor, heart disease, etc., I am not affected. With all but health, you also have the choice to have the bare minimum which covers others and not your property. Comparing the three as such isn't a decent arguement. __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.] Last edited by oldbrad; 01-12-2011 at 12:16 AM..

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	forbes is just some liberal publication lol

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Well, they might repeal some of the costs to industry in the bill. It will be interesting to see how the justify leaving the mandate in afterwards though.

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Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly. the standard rhetoric from your clan, as I said. yes, i also represent my clan, and yes, you correctly enough identify it as "internet free thinker", altho I haven't much heard or used that label. I look forward to seeing your own original writing and thinking on these topics. maybe later, when you are less trapped in clan warfare.

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Splendorous_Male So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 549	Children, I do not trust Forbes. However, I do trust 12clicks and what he will have to say tomorrow.