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BlackCrayon

Yeah I'm 12. You got me. ChoseN people. hahaha, thats hilarious. This is exactly why religion is a problem. You aren't chosen. Anyone can say they are chosen. it means shit all. and yes A MAN WROTE WHATS IN THE BIBLE. DID GOD TOSS A BIG BOOK OF STORIES DOWN FROM THE SKY? NO. iF ANYTHING HE NEEDED TO WORK THROUGH A HUMAN BEING TO PUT IT DOWN ON SOMETHING.

so killing jesus had no negative effect on the jewish people? say what you want, i believe its in part the reason why people sat on their hands while their neighbors were being carted away into camps.

religion is for the weak minded. its my job to prove it to you.

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The Demon

What you've proven is that religious people are glad to have religion in their lives, otherwise they'd be as stupid as you. Great job on that post, I'll have a little kid dissect it in no time

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He hasnt cum yet, just breathing hard

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No, loser. Im simply replying to your response to me. Act like an adult and ill treat you like one.
Sure kid, all those Jewish doctors shouting down stem cell research
please son, you're talking about the ultra fringe. You have no argument.
I'm sorry that a priest touched you inappropriately as a youth but you expose yourself as agenda driven not fact driven

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You could have said no to your priest. You didn't.
Oh well.

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I fess they don't teach history in canada

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Bryan G

I'd have to believe in the magically man in the sky to have even gone to see a priest.

Sorry that I don't believe in fairytales.

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wig

Agreed. I think it is a testament to the evolution of religion -- which stems from progress in human moral reasoning -- the result of which is that certain aspects of earlier religious texts and traditions are either expanded on, explained later in nuanced terms or even discarded/rejected.

Of course, this is suggestive of the whole enterprise as a human invention, IMO. In fact, it resembles Kolberg's stages of moral development just at the national level.

I'm sure there was such an event -- at a regional level -- that inspired the story. In fact, I pointed out once before the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the likely source for the biblical Flood story.

In any event, it does not support a world wide flood as described in Genesis. Noah and his family were not the sole humans left on earth, they did not have an Ark full of all the remaining animals, etc. IOW, most of the story is bunk even if it is partly based on a real event (ca. 2700 BC) that most scholars believe predates biblical Israel.

I don't know what the difference would be. People have used bad reasons to do stupid and immoral things throughout recorded history. 'Thus saith the Lord' does not change the moral implication of an act or the rationalization regardless of whether it is used in modern times or in the Bronze age.

I'm not sure what you are asking for.

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Good,insightful post. I agree with most of it. Let me get back to you on the Flood issue.

On the rationalization issue, I'm simply stating that certain things can be taken literally and other things can't. Some of it is common sense, some of it is explanations. There's an oral torah, and a written torah.

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Grapesoda

usually when you are a called out as dumb fuck on these boards I don't say much because it's usually stuff that I don't know much about... like webmaster bullshit.. this time though... you're a dumb fuck ...

mrgica

hardly...

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ah ... another religion thread, just what GFY needed

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SmokeyTheBear

aww did i hurt 12clicks feelings ?

like i care what a washed up scumbag like yourself hanging on my nutsack thinks

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wig

For what it's worth, according to a Gallup poll in December 2010:

40% of Americans believe that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.

Source


Other polls support this %. This belief has been trending slightly lower over the last couple decades, but is still alarmingly high, IMO.

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12clicks

No, shit stain, you know nothing this time either.

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fatfoo

I think that there will always be atheists in this world that don't believe in any god.

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raven1083

not i guess

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i doubt it

BlackCrayon

i fucked that post up because i was in a hurry. it was supposed to say its not my job to prove it to you. anyways, i have no problems with people believing what they want. i just don't buy it personally. i am not going to base my life on some old stories. i live on the basis of common sense and treating people right. something religion often does not. religion also does not promote evolution of thought. something i just can't support as a logical person.

As for my stupidty. Yeah, I can do/say some stupid things but a quick google search shows many articles stating that religious people typically have lower iqs than others.

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The Demon

99% of people don't have common sense, and know what's right based on what their parents told them, which is based on what their parents told them, and so on, as well as bic tenants of the 10 commandments. And if you really have no problems with people believing what they want, you would have started your premises with "I believe", instead of "whatever you think, God doesn't exist, etc."

Rofl... Great. You'll find one or two articles saying that, and I'll find one or two saying that religious people have higher IQs than non religious people. It proves absolutely nothing.

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DAMNMAN

Already has!!!! AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN usually after they kill the rest of us.

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One less god!!!
I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

BlackCrayon

I don't believe I ever said god doesn't exist. I usually would say something like if there is a god or if there isn't. Anyways, it seems to me that those cultures that are the most religious often lack the most common sense. Just look at the exploding muslims or fanatical bombing christians, IRA, etc. Where is the common sense there? Of course those are the extremists but where is the line drawn?

If the average everyday person uses religion to simply feel better about life and do good things then thats fine. I personally don't understand why they need faith to achieve that but not everyone is the same. I wish people didn't need the idea of getting into heaven as a means to be a good person. It seems pretty selfish.

In my opinion people should practice more personal faith, believe in themselves instead of thinking god did this or that for them. Move away from corrupt organized religion.

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Fabien

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
and don't forget that people were killed for saying that the earth was round
Don't we all love religions

CaptainHowdy

Let's wait and see...

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people used to be more religious and fanatic before. In most countries the population is much less religious nowadays, and that'll spread. In 1000 years most likely religion will be dead. Praise the lord! :P

12clicks

Truth hurts, eh, troll?

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The Demon

Trying to rationalize again?

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Grapesoda

np, pretty sure I'll starve to death before I figure it out...

Grapesoda

the issue being that the non religious have a much lower birth rate. that was the direction the video I posted was going...

SmokeyTheBear

you being a scumbag doesn't hurt me at all , i find it funny a washed up bottomfeeder like yourself rides my nutsack like a paranoid squirrel.

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wig

But that assumes that atheists will automatically not have children that become theists and that theists will automatically not have children that become atheists.

I may be incorrect about this, but I understand that religious belief is growing fastest in the poorest and least educated parts of the world and slowest (perhaps even declining) in the richest and most educated parts of the world (in general).

If correct, it follows that education and wealth (again, in general!) may be a better indicator of the growth or decline in religiosity.

Personally, I find this a better explanation and indicator. IOW, in general, people who are the least well off will more likely make appeals to a higher power.

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I have not seen the hour of video as I have to run a site first, but it looks like nothing new! The majority of people was, are and will be religious, and this is until human genoma does not change as reigion is in DNA, and it may need the million year to change, and it could change into the more religious direction too.
Is no matter rich or poor, educated or not, terrorist or peace ghandi, this religion thing has been from stone age up to egypt then greek and roman then middle ages then now and will be in future! And read history, religious won over atheists and that's why the today's result. Just update the religion with quantum phisics and UFO's (scientology and new age's) and it will work well for the most updated civilization forever in future, at any level of society.

Actually the evidence of religion genetic tendency is darwinian i.e. there is an evolutionary reason for so many people always being religious despite no evidence , illogic or even silly or danger for own careeer. Include in religion also astrology (horoscope signs) and new age stuff of course.

The idea that we are getting less religious now or that we will end up more religious in future is more a political concept than religious really - soviet union it was atheist because Stalin kicked your ass if you was not, but then as soon as the wall fallen people of russian returned all into religions, and I include who think he's a vampire or elf with super powers or does psychedelic yoga trips.

Atheism is not a modern phenomenom, there have been a lot of atheists in stone age, egypt, roman and greece and middle ages up to today and will be in future, simply these early atheists (and there was way more atheists in some ancient cultures than today's major nations!) did not made a following (to follow what!? atheism is not a group who meet to talk about ateism really), and eventually made less kids as someone noted, but not only! In general there was atheists and religious peoples in ancient times and the natural selection i.e. evolution declared winners the religious ones, the list of why can be very long. Religion is a competitive advantage and atheists mostly have extinct, as it is extinct certain other monkeys who not became humans - some probably not because missing intelligence to build homes or tools, but even more scientists but missing a religion who united them in a church to be strongest against all the issues our ancestors had to overcome. Atheist may be relativistic, think at him only, and stuff like that, not wanting to be 1 hour long, but the result of evolution is there.

Our genetics is today religious, the more religious people survived and we are their result and not the one of atheist populations who disappeared. Otherwise, there would not be so many world of warcraft players really, or people who believe in horoscope and astrology. Whoever read horoscope is not atheist, take note. The atheism is NOt natural, the kids believe all in Santa Claus so they're all religious at start, and so atheist can be eventually reached only via Mr.Spock logics, with experience and time (or via bad shocking accidents too, but is rare case) and still one can end up believing in god at any time in future, atheism is an unstable status really.

Atheism may be common in geeks as computers are logic (except the bugs), so religious may be a minority in GFY board specifically, but be atheism is simply a risky handicap in many ways, would an openly atheist guy be elected US president ever? No issue in elect a black guy, eventually a woman, even an islamic US president in future, but no way an atheist, that's the most extreme taboo, even more then sex with animals. Would be like an Xmas without Santa Claus or the day without the sun, would be so sad and odd, would be the end of the world, atheist president is a terror more then the global nuclear war who ends the world.

To stick with GFY topic, note that religious people are the most and best customers for adult sites. I have tracked this well by running cams, more the country is religious and more the sales. I even had some guys write me "I am christian I should not do this bad, please close the account", and they always return and open another account, they are out of control because feel will burn in hell and this make them so excited. An atheist is bored big time by sex as that's just sex and not going to be damned endlessly for it, so not worth pay for it, also remember atheists are way too logic to spend money in porn.
Basically, atheism spread can let the porn sales decline well more then tubes and bit-torrents, and the same would be for lots of economy niches.

So my forecast is that religions, altough very integrated with politics and power (manipulated etc.), will still be believed by a majority of people in the world, whatever religion is, with various updates to cover quantum phisics, UFO's and whatever is cool like iphone's or emo looks (both a religion base as both are quite illogically popular things).

Ah by the way I am atheist, but that's just because I can't believe in religions I know of, whatever I try to believe. Not planned to be an atheist or findng it useful at all, I usually hide such status until asked, and I envoy whoever believes as that's somewhat a superpower I miss. I would never try to convince a religious person that his/her god does not exist as that would most likely damage him and let me feel guilty. Of course I disagree with the whole sin and obscene or immoral concept around sex and porn, but I believe in freedom to the level they are free to think bullshit, and I would be nazi to go tell them why that's bullshit. Of course if they're planning to burn or jail me as sinner, I may need to emigrate elsewhere, but again I can take it as a vacation.

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I, like many sane secularists, thought that the crazed mass hysteria known as "religion" was in decline since I was a kid growing up in the 60's. During the last 15 years or so I have learned that I was very wrong.

The OP has posted a great video that everyone who wants a better understanding of the future of our world should watch.

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You're going to have to give better, more concrete statistics than the ones you did to make that particular assertion.

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wig

Whoa, there's a lot to unpack in this and I'm not even going to try.

I'll go with the idea that credulity is an evolutionary advantage, but I'm not aware of there being a religion gene. Let's start there. Do you have a source for this?

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The answer is no.

The theory behind the religious breeding at a higher rate, does NOT lead to more religious people in the world. Damn I can't remember what the study was or who did it. But it's not like this is something new, and the guy in that video is the first person to think of it. It has been studies and researched before.

As we mature as a species and society we get LESS religious each generation. It doesn't matter if you were born into a religious family or atheist family. Every generation, no matter what, is less religious than the last.

Wish I could find it, and remember what the study was but the guy in that video is simply wrong.

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First of all, I didn't give any statistics. It was completely opinion and I prefaced it with "I may be incorrect". What else do you want?

I'm not sure how that is an assertion, but I'll be happy to see if I can find data to support growth rates of religion in various countries of differing education/wealth.

We both know it will still be simply a correlate if shown to be the case, anyway.

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ahahahaha, the mind of a chat board script kiddie makes me laugh.

chump, I wouldn't (and never would) have noticed you if you didn't post at me.
you're a nothing in this biz. some back woods trailer trash bitter at his betters.

will I see you at Xbiz, big timer?

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I hope you can find it. It will save me some work.

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Nah people are getting smarter, well at least more open minded.

But I wonder when religion is lost if people use that as a reason to be a dirt bag or do good because it's just right.

Awesome vids BTW!

wig

First search result for "correlation between religiosity and wealth and education by country"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/re...t-nations.aspx

I think this is enough to illustrate my opinion.

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Must search university researches, such stuff is not mass marketed in press. Some 15 years ago I've studied lots of this overly-complicated anthropology stuff for scientists-only and there was some agreement and evidence. But the topic is controversial as religious people not even trust in evolution, and sure such type of documentary would not be produced for TV shows, and can't be made short enough for a magazine article.

In general and very shortly: it is true that whatever and whoever reached contemporary time, is what won a million year competitive battle, and since past few thousands years and even dozen years have majority of religions governing nations and single people's, then it means the atheist ones lost battles (for whatever reasons) in most or all the previous ages, battles, societies, and so on.

This does not mean religion is true or nice, simply the atheists are not likely to outnumber religious people in next few centuries, and not to win the political power anytime soon too, except maybe a few small state's who may be considered as sinners by the bigger ones. If anyone of you have checked the string theory and quantum phisics, that's enough confusing to seem like we're into Matrix and who knows, maybe there's god out there, so, don't expect science to demonstrate that atheism is true.

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Less people believe that it is a mortal sin to show nudity or have sex (also because they see so much free sex in tubes, that looks normal and not taboo scandals), but note only catholic and islamic religions are really sexophobic and complain of obscenity. We're talking of religions in general there not of sexophobic ones only.
I do not remember having read that Jesus was against nudity or sex really, the sex is bad stuff was added centuries later when catholic and islamic ideology was defined, and no more updated (religion should not update itself as it's true forever, otherwise if you change it later, it means it was false before and truth can not be also false at same time, so better to stick with the original stuff even if it looks false, that's the faith concept too).
Note that there are lots religions (or there was, unsure if survived) in islands and places not reached by priests, where part of rites it was lots of orgies. I not remember in what island, it was even mandated to boys to do sex with other boys for some rite, so gay mandated by religion. Of course religions take different fashion depending on local factors (this is also strange if god exist, as should be same religion worldwide, but ok), but sure that's religions and include believing in what's not there according to atheists, and doing rites and prohibiting stuff that an atheist finds it silly, danger, not civilized etc. - I made the exmaple of believe in oroscope signs, in astrology, that's quite popular in rich countries and in people who have university degrees, and that's a religion, sorry to say.
I even considered (half joke) being online in world of warcraft a religion, to make it clear there's not just catholic and islamic religions which are so paranoid about nudity and sex.

Eventually sex will become, thanks to internet who make it normal to see it in tubes, more an entertainment than something sacred or taboo, but still most people will believe in super natural god(s) or UFO's superpowers - and I am both a star trek and star wars fan, still understanding what's fiction and what is truth.

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