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Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Connectivity to your place for example looks excellent:

Code:

traceroute to yellowfiber.com (67.23.123.226), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  1.038 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (94.23.122.94)  1.872 ms  1.876 ms  1.872 ms
 3  gsw-2-6k.fr.eu (91.121.131.214)  4.028 ms  4.006 ms *
 4  gblx.as3549.fr.eu (213.186.32.129)  4.279 ms  4.286 ms  4.269 ms
 5  po2-20G.ar6.DCA3.gblx.net (67.16.136.238)  86.253 ms  86.224 ms  86.224 ms
 6  xe-3-0-3.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.230)  95.617 ms  95.892 ms  95.873 ms
 7  as40015.xe-6-0-0.ar1.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.30.122)  83.671 ms  83.672 ms  83.661 ms
 8  216.177.157.29 (216.177.157.29)  83.639 ms  83.672 ms  83.635 ms
 9  te5-2.a00.rst.yellowfiber.net (216.177.148.146)  84.796 ms  84.856 ms  84.840 ms
10  67.23.123.226 (67.23.123.226)  90.418 ms  90.626 ms  90.624 ms

the first 4 hops within their infrastructure, oh look, hop 5 it's already in the US, the by 9 it's in your DC.

How does your traceroute to ovh.com look?

So far, I've tested 2 routes to the US and both have been excellent.

Any more?

Cos if not, your call of US connectivity being awful is well, wrong

Code:

[spudstr@yf~]# traceroute ovh.com
traceroute to ovh.com (213.186.33.34), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  216.14.80.1 (216.14.80.1)  1.442 ms  1.391 ms  1.663 ms
 2  te1-1.c00.iad.yellowfiber.net (216.177.148.121)  1.303 ms  1.297 ms  1.276 ms
 3  te2-2.c01.iad.yellowfiber.net (216.177.157.30)  1.248 ms  1.227 ms  1.204 ms
 4  ash-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.92.233)  1.186 ms  1.157 ms  1.140 ms
 5  prs-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.252.37)  82.555 ms  82.571 ms  82.557 ms
 6  prs-b-link.telia.net (80.91.251.47)  88.340 ms  88.378 ms  88.409 ms
 7  * * *

If you honestly think that a traceroute shows the truth path you are sadly misinformed, MPLS is very commonly used and hides several hops along the way.

Listen, I am not saying OVH is bad. Ovh is very large and well known and do a good job at what they do. The main reason OVH offers such pricing is because of their peering relationships with ISPS, yes they have a lot of peering, for things they don't peer they send out their transit lines. I.e bandwidth they buy. For the longest time ovh struggled to lots of places out side of the EU i.e US based ISPS. If you trace to someone like us, or quadranet or related due to peering, a network will send a peering partner their originating prefixes and their _customers_ prefixes. so in your first trace to quadranet you go OVH to mzima then to quadra, I"m pretty confident OVH and Mzima now known as Packet Exchange who is a very large EU network peer in.. wait for it.. Amsterdam in AMS-IX.

Hit end users in various networks in the states, Comcast, Cox, Paetec/Frontier/Cavtel etc. The eyeball networks. Hitting another hosting company is probably going to yield good speeds due to peering relationships.

Lets look at the states.

Code:

traceroute to 204.152.194.186 (204.152.194.186), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  216.14.80.1 (216.14.80.1)  0.767 ms  0.719 ms  0.693 ms
 2  te1-1.c00.iad.yellowfiber.net (216.177.148.121)  1.351 ms  1.331 ms  1.305 ms
 3  xe-2-0-4.ar2.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.85)  1.291 ms  1.263 ms  1.234 ms
 4  ae4-40g.cr2.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.31.185)  1.181 ms  1.155 ms  1.134 ms
 5  xe-3-3-0.cr1.atl1.us.nlayer.net (69.22.142.105)  65.432 ms  65.442 ms  65.424 ms
 6  te1-2.ar1.iah1.us.nlayer.net (69.22.142.117)  28.724 ms  39.446 ms  36.535 ms
 7  xe-1-1-0.cr1.lax1.us.nlayer.net (69.22.142.122)  64.101 ms  64.115 ms  64.096 ms
 8  ae2-50g.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.127.142)  64.565 ms ae1-50g.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.127.138)  64.551 ms  64.531 ms
 9  as29761.ae1-320.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.121.254)  65.401 ms  65.469 ms  65.583 ms
10  lax9-r3.6509.quadranet.com (66.63.163.238)  65.545 ms  65.667 ms  65.508 ms
11  204.152.194.186.static.quadranet.com (204.152.194.186)  65.256 ms  65.320 ms  65.302 ms

your 157ms vs my 65ms this can be a huge impact on lots of applications. While downloading a file between datacenters can be fast, lesser circuits may not be. I am just saying you really should be careful about hosting and place your content where it best suits your target audience, because in the end of the day latency matters.

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

your 157ms vs my 65ms this can be a huge impact on lots of applications. While downloading a file between datacenters can be fast, lesser circuits may not be. I am just saying you really should be careful about hosting and place your content where it best suits your target audience, because in the end of the day latency matters.

*that* is exactly my point right from the start. I know I can get good traceroutes from ovh to other DCs because of the exact reasons you stated. However, the reverse is NOT always true. I have servers in QN and tried the reverse and it went over cogent and all over the frikken place. Hence why my download speeds from that server are shit. And they will soon be moved to ovh.

That is *exactly* why I gave that test doc as a download test (just happens to be a frikken excellent magazine too) to see IF US people could get good speeds.

For the record, that QN traceroute and download only worked in that direction - if I showed the other way it would be frikken awful. But I am not out on a smear campaign - I am purely trying to let people know of the others available (and maybe take in some admin'ing duties in the meantime).

Like people have mentioned in this thread (yourself included), people simply say 'Impossible for OVH to offer those prices with quality service, their transit sucks to the US etc etc" and it's well, just bullshit. That is what I am debunking.

OVH have had their problems, sure like every other DC, but shit, what they've accomplished in 12 years - they get a hat off to them. I took chrage of my first dedicated server in 1996. I have gone from host to host to host since then (always US, once UK2.net) and now OVH. AND I can tell you, I have *never* felt at home in any other DC as I have at OVH. They give me, a server admin, every single tool I could need to monitor, problem solve, problem detect. Never before have I had that amount of control over my server. And that is EXACTLY what I want. Now they give me the same control over telephones and my personal ADSL/SDSL line. I am for once fully in control of everything I do on the internet, and it's thanks to them. So I'm sending them some free pub. Shit, it did turn into a thread high jack.

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Allez, stick it through Google translate:

Code:

1	Position d?OVH en France dans le domaine de l?hébergement Internet, et en Europe en hébergement de serveurs dédiés
2	Position européenne d?OVH dans le domaine de l?hébergement Internet
3	OVH héberge 1 site internet français sur 3 (source Netcraft) 
12	Nombre de pays européens dans lesquels OVH est présent
15	Le nombre de points de peering d?OVH en Europe
28	Le nombre de points de présence d?OVH en France et en Europe
43	Le temps maximum de panne garantie est de 43min12s
85	Pourcentage de clients OVH qui sont des entreprises 
300	Le trafic généré par OVH (en gigabits par seconde)
600	La capacité de la bande passante d?OVH (en gigabits par seconde)
1999	L? année de création d?OVH
7000	La surface actuelle de l?ensemble des salles d?hébergement (en m2)
12000	La surface exploitable à terme de l?ensemble des salles d?hébergement (en m2)
80000	Le nombre de serveurs gérés par OVH
400000	Le nombre de clients d?OVH en France 
1800000	Le nombres de noms de domaine enregistrés par OVH
6000000	Le nombre d?emails acheminés par jour par OVH

15 points of peering and 28 points of presence != 90% peering
and that was last year - this month they just made major network changes...

400,000 clients cannot be wrong.

all that for a company that is only 12 years old.

You really have no idea how the whole network/pop game works do you? Just because someone has 28 Pops and they peer in 15 of them does not mean that those 15 IX points don't have a lot more capacity than the other 13 POPs.

Lets look at their peeringdb entry.

and

Now this is just public peering capacity at the given points not to mention "private" peering they have as well that is undisclosed. If you REALLY think they have MORE capacity to their paid transit lines than what they have in peering then you really need to read more about how networks actually operate. Ovh is also known for saturating circuits and not caring about it. Its pretty clear that 4pm EST on a saturday is not prime time.

Ovh is not the end-all/king of everything so please get off your high horse, they do a great job yes but they are not the total solution. IIRC they wont even sell a server to someone in the states and their policy was no one could resell their service either.

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:15 PM

As I don't have a US ADSL line, can all US (hey, canada+world too) people tell me their download speeds on this file from two different servers:

NOTE: this download must be your home/office connection, NOT your server!!

1: http://204.152.194.186/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

2: http://178.33.218.112/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Ovh is not the end-all/king of everything so please get off your high horse, they do a great job yes but they are not the total solution. IIRC they wont even sell a server to someone in the states and their policy was no one could resell their service either.

Well, this is about the bottom line, since the rest is all chinese for me. All I know is:

1. none of my B2B customers have even uttered a breath since I switched to OVH. Hell, I don't think they even noticed. And I have 16 million daily B2B hits. When shit slows down (like it did in mid-Jan when I tried their cloud setup), I heard about it, so my customers are not simply not alert.

2. Google - my site has dropped from an average 4 second load time to 1.1 second load time since I switched.

3. My B2B traffic went up from 5mill to 8 mill in July last year because of some changes I made. In Dec when I moved to OVH, and I shit you not, it jumped to 12 mill almost from the day I switched DNS over to the new server. WTF that was all about I've no idea (my code tracking hits).

4. My bandwidth was a steady 4.3 Mbs at the switch at my old host. When I switched it dropped to a steady 1.1 Mbs at the switch. Ehm, same traffic, actually nearly 4million hits more per day yet nearly 4x less bandwidth. WTF that all about?

5. I can now frikken *do* shit with my stuff. I need geo-ips, they give them to me, I need a virtual bay of 4 servers (3 diff DCs), they give that to me.

I couldn't give a rat about connectivity if me, in my office sees a massive, massive drop in headaches following a DC move. I've maxed out my ADSL line on download tests with every single US host I've been with, only to find they were only ever rectified whenever I moaned. Guaranteed every single one went back to <50% speed in under 6 months.

Of course, OVH isn't for everyone, I'm just letting people know they are frikken good and a lot better a ISP than I have ever known in my life. If your customers get lousy speeds with them, they are not for you. I also heard by their mailing lists, they are building a DC in the US... *cough*

Freedom of choice is what it's all about.

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Ovh is also known for saturating circuits and not caring about it. Its pretty clear that 4pm EST on a saturday is not prime time.

Of course they're known for it - they even say it themselves

If you order their entry level Kimsumfi range and get 100Mbs they have said on their forums (or in their mailing lists, but I could dig it out), you will not get the same access as their HG servers which have 40Tb bandwidth and an own infrastructure dedicated to them. That is what their SLA Standard, SLA Premium, SLA business bandwidth levels are all about....

It isn't hidden, so don't make out like it's something they try and hide.

-edit on this point:

Quote:

Lets look at their peeringdb entry.

can you give me a URL where I can see this so I can look around?

On those grabs, there are checkboxes checked that you can uncheck - what's that all about?

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

IIRC they wont even sell a server to someone in the states and their policy was no one could resell their service either.

http://www.ovh.ie

was setup to sell servers to the US and Canada (shit, anyone not in the UK and mainland Europe really - no vat)

And yes, I resell and have a customer support ticket stating that while they don't have a reseller program, they allow clients to resell under their nichandle. Under those terms, you are liable for all etc etc, and the disclaimer for reselling, you would need xyz because bandwidth is grouped under normal non-pro setups. ie 40Tb is per infrastructure, so to resell them, you'd need xyz to be able to offer the same independently.

So, yes, you are wrong. Problem is being a french company, if you don't speak french, you may find it hard to communicate (only 11 of their 300 team are native english speaking). Can I resell you some stuff for yellowfiber?

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

As I don't have a US ADSL line, can all US (hey, canada+world too) people tell me their download speeds on this file from two different servers:

NOTE: this download must be your home/office connection, NOT your server!!

1: http://204.152.194.186/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

2: http://178.33.218.112/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

I have a 100M fiber connection at my house through my HOA but the first one was 890KB/s the seconed one is about 600KB/s * 8 and you will get your Mbps

borked · 02-05-2011, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

I have a 100M fiber connection at my house through my HOA but the first one was 890KB/s the seconed one is about 600KB/s * 8 and you will get your Mbps

are those averages as output from wget/fetch/cURL?

for a 100Mbs fiber connection, I'd expect more from both.

to add to the record, on a 28Mbs ADSl line (but because of attenuation, only 15Mbs can be max in thory), I get (a wget avg) of 610K on the first and 1.1MB on the second.

borked · 02-05-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

While downloading a file between datacenters can be fast, lesser circuits may not be. I am just saying you really should be careful about hosting and place your content where it best suits your target audience, because in the end of the day latency matters.

So the lesson from this is Spudstr from YellowFiber concedes that if you run a massive tube network (you know, those frikken massive TB-sucking content things) and deliver it over CDN for best end-user speeds, you'd be better off hosting with OVH cos their prices are shit low, their DC connectivity is great and well, the CDN takes over the last mile to deliver shit fast content delivery to your customers.

Hell, in that situation the increased costs in implementing a quality CDN are covered by the decreased costs in switching ISP.

Serge Litehead · 02-05-2011, 03:36 PM

Tracing OVH from NJ

C:\>tracert ovh.com

Tracing route to ovh.com [213.186.33.34]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.63.192.1
3 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms dstswr2-vlan4.rh.brfdnj.cv.net [67.83.242.194]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 13 ms 13 ms 19 ms 64.15.2.97
6 9 ms 11 ms 9 ms 64.15.0.145
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

CaptainHowdy · 02-05-2011, 03:38 PM

borked · 02-05-2011, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holograph

Tracing OVH from NJ

[SIZE="1"]C:\>tracert ovh.com

Excellent - did I ask you to ping them?! You won't be able to cos they put their shit on like super stealth mode. (edit btw, ovh.com is delivered by 50 dedicated HG servers - their own admission. It's never going offline. But it does also serve the entire Manager control panel that lets clients control their servers. How they do that super stealth mode though is beyond me! But it is required because the client control of their servers depends on it.)

No, I asked for download speeds from those two URLs

In any case, here's a reverse from ovh to you (well, your last public IP)

Code:

 traceroute 67.83.242.194
traceroute to 67.83.242.194 (67.83.242.194), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  vss-3-6k.fr.eu (188.165.240.254)  0.550 ms * *
 2  rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (213.251.130.78)  0.830 ms  0.817 ms  0.813 ms
 3  ldn-1-6k.uk.eu (91.121.131.182)  4.171 ms * *
 4  nyk-1-6k.ny.us (213.251.128.29)  75.052 ms * *
 5  * * *

Looks good to me.

borked · 02-05-2011, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

100%

meanwhile, marge knows what it's all about. You can see her controlling her asterisk phone from the driver's seat....

Serge Litehead · 02-05-2011, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

Excellent - did I ask you to ping them?! You won't be able to cos they put their shit on like super stealth mode.

No, I asked for download speeds from those two URLs

i just wanted to see EU server in 5-6 hops in traceroute from US like you said earlier. my trace shows that on 6th i'm still in US and lost somewhere in transatlantic pipes afterwards. i'm not far from NY pipes. that's all.

borked · 02-05-2011, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holograph

i just wanted to see EU server in 5-6 hops in traceroute from US like you said earlier. my trace shows that on 6th i'm still in US and lost somewhere in transatlantic pipes afterwards. i'm not far from NY pipes. that's all.

trace borkedcoder.com then

but that direction is not important in a US client base setup, it's OVH to US.... that is the path that is important for speeds.

--edit, I'll send the reverse traceroute if you do it in the next 5 mins....

Serge Litehead · 02-05-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

trace borkedcoder.com then

but that direction is not important in a US client base setup, it's OVH to US.... that is the path that is important for speeds.

--edit, I'll send the reverse traceroute if you do it in the next 5 mins....

i've seen worst in US heh, although i'm not sure how to treat long Request timed outs at the end of traces, yours:

C:\>tracert borkedcoder.com

Tracing route to borkedcoder.com [178.33.218.112]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 7 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.63.192.1
3 8 ms 10 ms 7 ms dstswr2-vlan2.rh.brfdnj.cv.net [67.83.242.162]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 64.15.2.125
6 161 ms 101 ms 198 ms 64.15.0.65
7 14 ms 14 ms * paix.ny.routers.ovh.net [198.32.118.106]
8 161 ms * 260 ms ldn-1-6k.uk.eu [213.251.128.30]
9 91 ms 85 ms 92 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.131.177]
10 86 ms 104 ms 85 ms vss-3-6k.fr.eu [94.23.122.93]
11 * * * Request timed out.
...
Trace complete.

back to SSDs, i'm looking forward trying them out on my workstation later this year

CYF · 02-05-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

As I don't have a US ADSL line, can all US (hey, canada+world too) people tell me their download speeds on this file from two different servers:

NOTE: this download must be your home/office connection, NOT your server!!

1: http://204.152.194.186/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

2: http://178.33.218.112/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf

The first link I hit 700KB/s

The second link I hit 1.1mb/s

This is on a comcast 16mb/s cable connection in Minneapolis, MN USA.

Also, I've ran my own servers since about 1997 and I've never used managed servers. Always unmanaged. So your 99% guess is probably a little off. Maybe not by much, it seems like everyone on GFY uses managed hosting which really surprised me when I joined here.

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

are those averages as output from wget/fetch/cURL?

for a 100Mbs fiber connection, I'd expect more from both.

to add to the record, on a 28Mbs ADSl line (but because of attenuation, only 15Mbs can be max in thory), I get (a wget avg) of 610K on the first and 1.1MB on the second.

Not many people use *DSL in the states anymore, let alone anything higher than 3-5Mbps our copper infrastructure is horrible.

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

So the lesson from this is Spudstr from YellowFiber concedes that if you run a massive tube network (you know, those frikken massive TB-sucking content things) and deliver it over CDN for best end-user speeds, you'd be better off hosting with OVH cos their prices are shit low, their DC connectivity is great and well, the CDN takes over the last mile to deliver shit fast content delivery to your customers.

Hell, in that situation the increased costs in implementing a quality CDN are covered by the decreased costs in switching ISP.

Take it how you see fit, but thats no where close to what I said. Arguing with people on GFY is pretty much pointless because this is going to go round in circles.

Now quick, everyone jump ship and move their stuff to OVH. Quick!

Spudstr · 02-05-2011, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holograph

back to SSDs, i'm looking forward trying them out on my workstation later this year

Make sure you research the SSD drives you are looking to get, look for something with 280+MB/s read speeds and 250MB+ write speeds. I.e OCZ Vertex/Vertex 2 and Turbo or Intel X series SSD drives.

borked · 02-06-2011, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Take it how you see fit, but thats no where close to what I said.

Of course you won't say those words, but you admitted they have great peering with ISPS:

Quote:

Ovh is very large and well known and do a good job at what they do. The main reason OVH offers such pricing is because of their peering relationships with ISPS, yes they have a lot of peering ... Hitting another hosting company is probably going to yield good speeds due to peering relationships.

Ergo, a well-chosen CDN company, combined with OVH will delivery outstanding results. If you don't think that, please explain why?

borked · 02-06-2011, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYF

The first link I hit 700KB/s

The second link I hit 1.1mb/s

This is on a comcast 16mb/s cable connection in Minneapolis, MN USA.

Also, I've ran my own servers since about 1997 and I've never used managed servers. Always unmanaged. So your 99% guess is probably a little off. Maybe not by much, it seems like everyone on GFY uses managed hosting which really surprised me when I joined here.

The first server is in LA (don't know why I kept saying Sand Diego before!), the second is in Paris. So, OVH transit to Comcast works well.

borked · 02-06-2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Not many people use *DSL in the states anymore, let alone anything higher than 3-5Mbps our copper infrastructure is horrible.

and to think the copper wire came out of the US thanks to Doolittle (what an oxymoronic name!)

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Serge Litehead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind the scenes Posts: 5,190	Tracing OVH from NJ C:\>tracert ovh.com Tracing route to ovh.com [213.186.33.34] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.63.192.1 3 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms dstswr2-vlan4.rh.brfdnj.cv.net [67.83.242.194] 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 13 ms 13 ms 19 ms 64.15.2.97 6 9 ms 11 ms 9 ms 64.15.0.145 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. __________________ SilverCrocodile.com Adult web design since '05

02-05-2011, 03:38 PM	#62
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