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Paul Markham · 02-06-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Back that statement up.

I can spot an inbred Euro-peasant a mile away. If you retards didn't spend the last three generations lining up for bread and raping your daughters while they slept (because your fat potato eating Olga of a wife was too busy hand washing your trousers with dog urine and getting fat off of the carbs your masters handed out after waiting in line for three days), you're families might have chins and look somewhat human.

As it is, the only good looking Eastern-Europen women are the illegitmate off spring of Westerners.

When I moved to Czech my production went up 300% based entirely on the quality of the girls. They sold and sold and sold again in US and UK magazines. As Sandra from Dallas or Susan from Leeds.

When we visit the States we are surprised at the number of brown eyed blonds (Bottle blonds) compared with the CZ where we have blue eyed blonds (natural).

As for England we're surprised when we see a size 8 or 10, most are like waddling whales.

Buzz · 02-06-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Back that statement up.

I can spot an inbred Euro-peasant a mile away. If you retards didn't spend the last three generations lining up for bread and raping your daughters while they slept (because your fat potato eating Olga of a wife was too busy hand washing your trousers with dog urine and getting fat off of the carbs your masters handed out after waiting in line for three days), you're families might have chins and look somewhat human.

As it is, the only good looking Eastern-Europen women are the illegitmate off spring of Westerners.

I thought Eric 'd banned all nazi fucks off GFY ?

Paul Markham · 02-06-2011, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Si

When pretty girls think they can get $20K+ for one sex scene because they see on the news some so called celebrity got a $million deal with vivid for a poorly shot homemade movie she made with a guy nobody knows.

Then there is no hope!

I had a stripper contact me recently and because she was a "dancer" she seems to think she should be paid more than $500 per hour.

she's covered in tattoos, and not very pretty

Which tells you there's more money in stripping. The big money for most is long gone. The amount of magazine work they can get is very very limited, even Internet porn is slowing down DVD work has dried up as well. Unless a girl takes it in every orifice twice she's not going to be working a lot. And the girls know this.

Paul Markham · 02-06-2011, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

It also does not help that American shooters, on average, tend to shoot more fake/bored/serial stuff. Before I get ripped apart I'll say that YES, there are notable exception - but I see a pattern nevertheless.

One example that comes to my mind. I was proposed to buy some videos, a few days ago, by a relatively well known American shooter. Girls were fresh, young, and natural, and the setting was supposed to be "amateur / self shot". BUT the whole thing looked so horribly fake and bored. Clearly fake moaning over the top, blowing kisses to the camera, etc. At the very least, please tell them NOT to moan :-).

It may be in large part due to a "filler content" mentality. As Paul pointed out in other threads, the industry is currently dominated by the webmasters side of the equation, and this is probably even truer in the U.S.

Many of them (certainly not all, but a good number) start by asking themselves: Ok, facial|milf|tranny|whatever does good. I need to buy a "package" of 20 facial|milf|tranny|whatever scenes, so that I can get a domain, build a tour and and a member area, find (and sometimes screw) some affiliates and I am done.

Many times, I suspect, this particular webmaster does not even watch his videos - they are in the required 'niche' and that's enough. So why should the shooter care?

Sure, you will probably make a fast buck out of it if you build a decent tour, do your SEO homework, etc.

We all love fast bucks, but beyond the first two weeks there's more money to be made if you care about your product and your customer - that's a general rule in any industry, except if you are selling fake viagra pills and the like.

I know I am generalizing too much, and I could name 10 businesses, in both Europe and U.S. that are totally paranoid about the quality of their content and do well. But overall, the fake-viagra-pills mentality is probably dominant, and this contributes pushing chargebacks up and rebills down.

The main difference between shooting today and shooting prior to the Internet is the acceptable level of work. It certainly has nothing to do with digital cameras.

What a website will pay for and accept would never get accepted by a magazine and that's why none of these guys shot for magazines. As far as DVD is concerned even they wouldn't of accepted most of the stuff on websites in the early days. It just wasn't good enough. So the shooters were working in the cheapest paying market, because they couldn't sell to the others.

Perfect Gonzo had one of the best shooters in the business. Every day people would hit up shooters and ask for the same type of content. They wouldn't or couldn't afford it. The shooter who did the work went to work for Evil Angel because the pay was better, PG could never replace him because they wouldn't or couldn't afford to.

Vid Vicious is a great video shooter, he went to the DVD market. 2 of the best shooters in the magazine game now shoot wedding, clearing $8,000+ a week each. No custom shooter in this business makes anything like that. A good set to us was worth $4,000 custom shooter shoot for $400 a scene.

If you pay peanuts you end up with monkey shit.

Twistys has some good hardcore scenes that's the level that DVD requires. I'll bet money it was shot on a good budget.

As for Internet shooters not having a clue of the niche. When you think to shoot porn all you need to do is point the camera, you end up with bad porn. And models thinking bad porn is the new level.

SpicyM · 02-06-2011, 07:07 AM

Russian/Ukrainian/Czech and Slovak girls are the most beautiful women on the world.

Jim_Gunn · 02-06-2011, 10:03 AM

Paul, you certainly had your days of success as a photographer of nude models before you retired as you are fond of reminding us, but a lot of what you are saying above is not actually accurate, at least here in the U.S.. Like you, my hands on experience producing porn pre-dates the internet age. Not as far back as yourself, but I can speak authoritatively on anything to do with producing porn movies in the US & Canada and about the actual manufacturing and distribution of porn movies in the VHS/DVD days of the 1990s and 2000s. Working at one of the biggest studios and distributorships for almost seven years and simultaneously producing hundreds of movies from amateur to pro-am and features and then evolving to become one of the most prolific producers of internet content as well in the last decade has given me a unique perspective on the changes in the last twenty years.

Two things I would like to refute:

1- There are more new American girls than ever doing porn and there is no reluctance on any of their parts about doing it because of the suppposed lack of money involved or because they fear that their families will find out. I shoot many new models each month and I never hear these things out of their mouths. All of the girls are thrilled to be able to make a few hundred dollars or a grand for a shoot or whatever it is that particular day, and thrilled to get paid and do it as many times as possible in a month or six months or year or however long their career may last. The hitch is that in my experience I find that most other producers and even agents in the biz aren't all that aggressive about recruiting new talent and are not able to come up with enough fresh faced models to satisfy demand, but this is a role I am glad to fulfill.

2- Unlike even a few years ago, say 2005, when even mediocre porn shooters and male porn talent wanting to become producers could line up all kinds of work, nowadays a producer has to have very high quality of both photos and videos, have access to new models, have a unique style and have a consistent workflow to get hired and make money. The bar has been raised a lot by the handful of major clients that are left and not many are able to meet the hurdle. I personally shoot more and better quality content of a model in a single day than I used to be capable of producing in a week years ago.

Paul Markham · 02-06-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Paul, you certainly had your days of success as a photographer of nude models before you retired as you are fond of reminding us, but a lot of what you are saying above is not actually accurate, at least here in the U.S.. Like you, my hands on experience producing porn pre-dates the internet age. Not as far back as yourself, but I can speak authoritatively on anything to do with producing porn movies in the US & Canada and about the actual manufacturing and distribution of porn movies in the VHS/DVD days of the 1990s and 2000s. Working at one of the biggest studios and distributorships for almost seven years and simultaneously producing hundreds of movies from amateur to pro-am and features and then evolving to become one of the most prolific producers of internet content as well in the last decade has given me a unique perspective on the changes in the last twenty years.

Did you work as a freelance shooter or in house?

Two things I would like to refute:

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1- There are more new American girls than ever doing porn and there is no reluctance on any of their parts about doing it because of the suppposed lack of money involved or because they fear that their families will find out. I shoot many new models each month and I never hear these things out of their mouths. All of the girls are thrilled to be able to make a few hundred dollars or a grand for a shoot or whatever it is that particular day, and thrilled to get paid and do it as many times as possible in a month or six months or year or however long their career may last. The hitch is that in my experience I find that most other producers and even agents in the biz aren't all that aggressive about recruiting new talent and are not able to come up with enough fresh faced models to satisfy demand, but this is a role I am glad to fulfill.

I've no idea what it's like where you are, I just go by the standard of US girls I see posted here and the girls I see on sites. For me the quality is down.

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2- Unlike even a few years ago, say 2005, when even mediocre porn shooters and male porn talent wanting to become producers could line up all kinds of work, nowadays a producer has to have very high quality of both photos and videos, have access to new models, have a unique style and have a consistent workflow to get hired and make money. The bar has been raised a lot by the handful of major clients that are left and not many are able to meet the hurdle. I personally shoot more and better quality content of a model in a single day than I used to be capable of producing in a week years ago.

BS. The main thing today is shooting inside the budget.

You can always prove it by posting some scenes, not edited clips. Or just ICQ me some links. Also a login to your models page. Go on there's the challenge, send me some links.

My over all view of the industry is prices, quantity and production levels are way down. The number of new scenes being shot and the price is nothing like what it was 10 years ago.

I see so much faked and boring porn today. It would never see the light of day 15 years ago.

You should of been shooting stills for mags, that's where the real money was for freelance shooters unless you're one of the top guys like Pierre Woodman.

Turn on your ICQ Jim.

nikki99 · 02-06-2011, 10:16 AM

I blame tubes

pristine · 02-06-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

if this is Jaysins 200th nick on gfy he should be the last one to judge about the looks of anyone - we have seen his picture

wrong person moron.

MaDalton · 02-06-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pristine

wrong person moron.

then don't be shy, post a pic and let us judge how beautiful you are, honey

pristine · 02-06-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

then don't be shy, post a pic and let us judge how beautiful you are, honey

MaDalton · 02-06-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pristine

damn, you caught me on my day job

Paul Markham · 02-06-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pristine

You look great and energetic. That's chasing all those CZ babes.

HD Content · 02-06-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

I am always recruiting amateur girls but they all find LA agents once you get your content.

I am all about shooting fresh amateurs they are cheaper and have less of a Diva mindset.

You are right... I try to advise the girl to stay in School and to not do porn after i shoot her.

Make her believe "she is better than that"

Say you shoot a sweet new fresh super hot girl and you have your great content/update on your pay site.
Once she goes to LA, your content is now WORTHLESS! She will be all fucked and shot out by every huge cock in LA on every website that is far more promoted than your website!
Why would any real content shooter/recruiter refer a 'NEW" girl to LA or any LA agency? That is career suicide.

If you do your best to keep her from the LA game, your content will remain unique of that girl. NEVER refer girls to other shooters who will turn them over to LA agencies.
It will only backfire and come back to bite you in the ass. I have learned this the hard way.

Your problem, Jay is that you are in LA and it is easy for them to find the agents after they are done with YOU!
or... more than likely, you turned her on to a friendly shooter who showed her the path to an agency.

lance1413 · 02-06-2011, 03:08 PM

Anyone have russian and european content? I have domain names for that specific purpose and im looking for content. I don't want to produce, just promote a site. Im happy to be an affiliate. Point me in the right direction.

GatorB · 02-06-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Content

Also take a look at the shooters. Fat out of shape guys who could never get laid with out a camera.

This has been going on in porn for about 40 years now.

MaDalton · 02-06-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lance1413

Anyone have russian and european content? I have domain names for that specific purpose and im looking for content. I don't want to produce, just promote a site. Im happy to be an affiliate. Point me in the right direction.

www.czechsuperstars.com => www.xxxpayday.com

(and yeah, it's not fully done yet but the sites work ;) )

SB_Content · 02-06-2011, 04:15 PM

Ugly is the new Pretty.

Sid70 · 02-06-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Part of the truth. In general Eastern European girls are better looking than any Caucasian race girls, it's the round face and they seem to look after themselves better.

The real reason for the quality of girls today is simple. You have to be pretty broke or dumb these days, to do porn. It's going straight onto the Internet, it will stay there for ever, some clown will use your real name to get traffic, the odds on your friend finding out is high and the pay is shit.

Add to that clueless shooters who can't motivate a girl, girls thinking fake is fine and it's a pretty hard cocktail to sell.

Also look back at what people think is hot here on GFY. Some of the girls that people rave about are pretty poor IMO. But sig whoring is king.

See sig.

Well said.
But I see round East European faces every day

So to hae some variety I seem to entertain mayself more with British and American chicks. Jewish at times, like Natalie Portman.

HD Content · 02-06-2011, 06:43 PM

I am heading to Czech

Sexier · 02-07-2011, 02:31 AM

Nobody is perfect ......

Paul Markham · 02-07-2011, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lance1413

Anyone have russian and european content? I have domain names for that specific purpose and im looking for content. I don't want to produce, just promote a site. Im happy to be an affiliate. Point me in the right direction.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com

Marie · 02-07-2011, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lance1413

Anyone have russian and european content? I have domain names for that specific purpose and im looking for content. I don't want to produce, just promote a site. Im happy to be an affiliate. Point me in the right direction.

www.payserve.com
-> has www.clubseventeen.com - www.mysexykittens.com - and many more sites with European and Russian models.

Nicky · 02-07-2011, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

then don't be shy, post a pic and let us judge how beautiful you are, honey

Hinc · 02-07-2011, 07:36 AM

Theres a niche for everything...and plenty of producers doing well....

Grapesoda · 02-07-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did you work as a freelance shooter or in house?

Two things I would like to refute:

I've no idea what it's like where you are, I just go by the standard of US girls I see posted here and the girls I see on sites. For me the quality is down.

BS. The main thing today is shooting inside the budget.

You can always prove it by posting some scenes, not edited clips. Or just ICQ me some links. Also a login to your models page. Go on there's the challenge, send me some links.

My over all view of the industry is prices, quantity and production levels are way down. The number of new scenes being shot and the price is nothing like what it was 10 years ago.

I see so much faked and boring porn today. It would never see the light of day 15 years ago.

You should of been shooting stills for mags, that's where the real money was for freelance shooters unless you're one of the top guys like Pierre Woodman.

Turn on your ICQ Jim.

Charley.... if you could tell which model will convert and which will not... you would have a successful paysite

Cherry7 · 02-08-2011, 11:48 AM

I am surprised at how many beautiful girls work in porn, and how their pictures on agency sites do not do them justice....this is the Czech model Miho Lechter who we filmed this month...

The reason I think there are so many good east european models is that the industry fuctions well there and the girls can make very good money working.

ArsewithClass · 02-08-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was just about to go and cook something for dinner, won't bother now. Will go throw up instead.

ahhh, Paul, come on, give the girl a break.... maybe it needs a decent producer to take the right content

JP-pornshooter · 02-08-2011, 02:19 PM

hmm this thread delivers some truth.

eastern euro girls are on average prettier, blonder and blu'er eyes.

english girls are typically fat whales

Paul markham knew the business really well back in the 80's

Shooters have to deliver quality work to stay in business.

american girls often have fake tits and bleached hair (but the speak english and have personality and often love what they do).

so whats new?

Paul Markham · 02-08-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

Charley.... if you could tell which model will convert and which will not... you would have a successful paysite

Keep shooting for ATK.

You're a clown. I shot girls the magazines buy. Unlike you I didn't have to shoot for sponsors who thought $500 for a set and a video was a lot of money. And I didn't have to shoot 4-5 scenes a day to make $1,000 profit. Could make that in an hour.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

hmm this thread delivers some truth.

eastern euro girls are on average prettier, blonder and blu'er eyes.

english girls are typically fat whales

Paul markham knew the business really well back in the 80's

Shooters had to deliver quality work back then to stay in business.

Spot on except it went on till the 2005 and needed a little editing.

I only got really going in 1988, before then I was only part time.

The competition to sell sets was high because the returns were high. Editors knew that if they paid shit money they would get shit sets, have a shit product and customers would turn away.

Sponsors thought if they pay a shit price, the customers who turned away would be replaced by new ones. Didn't work for very long did it?

I don't blame people like Bradly, JustDave, Jim Gunn, etc. They are forced to work for sponsors who under value the worth of content.

I was lucky, got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week. Otherwise I suppose I would be in the same boat as they are.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

ahhh, Paul, come on, give the girl a break.... maybe it needs a decent producer to take the right content

I was about to go to bed.

Can't now. I'm scared this pic will give me nightmares.

Grapesoda · 02-08-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Keep shooting for ATK.

You're a clown. I shot girls the magazines buy. Unlike you I didn't have to shoot for sponsors who thought $500 for a set and a video was a lot of money. And I didn't have to shoot 4-5 scenes a day to make $1,000 profit. Could make that in an hour.

key phrase from your reply: 'I shot...' mags are dead Charley, buy a fucking vowel for G_D's sake. you have no idea how much I make. you don't seem to understand how the 'custom' content business works, or the pay structure. and to tell you the truth about it... I'm defiantly the most serious guy you ever had the occasion to correspond with.

Grapesoda · 02-08-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Spot on except it went on till the 2005 and needed a little editing.

I only got really going in 1988, before then I was only part time.

The competition to sell sets was high because the returns were high. Editors knew that if they paid shit money they would get shit sets, have a shit product and customers would turn away.

Sponsors thought if they pay a shit price, the customers who turned away would be replaced by new ones. Didn't work for very long did it?

I don't blame people like Bradly, JustDave, Jim Gunn, etc. They are forced to work for sponsors who under value the worth of content.

I was lucky, got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week. Otherwise I suppose I would be in the same boat as they are.

BTW you're "I swam the Pacific Ocean in an Iron Suit and walked both ways uphill to school 60 miles in the fucking snow is a bit tried and hardly relevant.

MaDalton · 02-08-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

ahhh, Paul, come on, give the girl a break.... maybe it needs a decent producer to take the right content

i am not sure what you are trying to say here, but that woman is ugly, the angle sucks and the light too

Jim_Gunn · 02-08-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Spot on except it went on till the 2005 and needed a little editing.

I only got really going in 1988, before then I was only part time.

The competition to sell sets was high because the returns were high. Editors knew that if they paid shit money they would get shit sets, have a shit product and customers would turn away.

Sponsors thought if they pay a shit price, the customers who turned away would be replaced by new ones. Didn't work for very long did it?

I don't blame people like Bradly, JustDave, Jim Gunn, etc. They are forced to work for sponsors who under value the worth of content.

I was lucky, got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week. Otherwise I suppose I would be in the same boat as they are.

Your sentence above "got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week" could have just as easily come from my keyboard Paul. I don't feel that the lucky part applies however. I put in my time, formed a lot of great relationships and worked hard at improving a lot of different skills as well. I'm not forced to do anything, of course, and the difference is I am still in the game in a big way. One might even say that I'm in the same place you were twenty years ago but using my own style and today's modern technology to shoot porn that sells, make money and build up my own content library for my own eventual retirement. Not anytime soon though. :-)

Grapesoda · 02-08-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Your sentence above "got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week" could have just as easily come from my keyboard Paul. I don't feel that the lucky part applies however. I put in my time, formed a lot of great relationships and worked hard at improving a lot of different skills as well. I'm not forced to do anything, of course, and the difference is I am still in the game in a big way. One might even say that I'm in the same place you were twenty years ago but using my own style and today's modern technology to shoot porn that sells, make money and build up my own content library for my own eventual retirement. Not anytime soon though. :-)

you're not a photographer

HD Content · 02-09-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Spot on except it went on till the 2005 and needed a little editing.

I only got really going in 1988, before then I was only part time.

The competition to sell sets was high because the returns were high. Editors knew that if they paid shit money they would get shit sets, have a shit product and customers would turn away.

Sponsors thought if they pay a shit price, the customers who turned away would be replaced by new ones. Didn't work for very long did it?

I don't blame people like Bradly, JustDave, Jim Gunn, etc. They are forced to work for sponsors who under value the worth of content.

I was lucky, got in before the Internet, honed the little skills I have and came to a place where great new girls popped up every week. Otherwise I suppose I would be in the same boat as they are.

I am heading to Czech to shoot with you!

Paul Markham · 02-09-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

key phrase from your reply: 'I shot...' mags are dead Charley, buy a fucking vowel for G_D's sake. you have no idea how much I make. you don't seem to understand how the 'custom' content business works, or the pay structure. and to tell you the truth about it... I'm defiantly the most serious guy you ever had the occasion to correspond with.

Yes "I Shot". During 2005 "I shot".

When most of you guys were scrambling for work from anyone who would pay a few bucks I was able to sit back and watch you while taking money from my work for the last 15 years. And shoot a bit for mags. Yes magazines are definitely going down, not dead yet and still a few buy. At far more than you'll ever get for Internet content.

AND they buy non exclusive. Which means we can still take money.

Here

http://www.paulmarkham.com/all-adult-content.php

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/content.php

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour/

http://astral-blue.com/tour/

And even a little bit here.

http://www.5dollarsporn.com/ but not much because we don't do anything about it.

Even C4S brings in a few bucks.

As for the idea I don't know how the custom content game works. I know exactly how it works. You work for a day, for a lot less than magazines pay and at the end of the day you own nothing or if you're able to squeeze in a set you get something for free off the sponsors bucks. Overall Sponsors pay poorly. ATK wanted shooters to do 10 sets or 5 sets and videos for $1500. Not just me but loads of shooters, both here in Europe and in the US. Do you remember the scandal when they weren't paying the shooters, not one but a lot. They then agreed to pay them in installments. AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARDS FOR EXPOSURE. Great company to have in your sig, where's your site?

If you are as good as you think you would be working for magazines. Here's a link to what's left. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ic _magazines

You see how clueless you are about the business. You can shoot one set and sell the same set to country after country. If the set fits the magazines style. You really need to do some research before you post.

The level of what a magazine demands is far higher than what the Internet does. Even Dean has said that the main thing today is getting all shot within the budget.

Paul Markham · 02-09-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Content

I am heading to Czech to shoot with you!

There are still a few good girls left, but most are shot over and over again. The exposure they got on the Internet has scared most away. It seems every week I get a couple of emails from girls complaining of sites or affiliates using their real names.

The good days here are over for new great girls.

I was lucky to meet Eva, lucky she fell in love with me and lucky she was such a hard worker who made our success here possible. From then on it was my limited skills and our hard work that brought success.

Penny24Seven · 02-09-2011, 06:07 AM

that is why we only film exclusive girls.

Grapesoda · 02-09-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes "I Shot". During 2005 "I shot".

When most of you guys were scrambling for work from anyone who would pay a few bucks I was able to sit back and watch you while taking money from my work for the last 15 years. And shoot a bit for mags. Yes magazines are definitely going down, not dead yet and still a few buy. At far more than you'll ever get for Internet content.

AND they buy non exclusive. Which means we can still take money.

Here

http://www.paulmarkham.com/all-adult-content.php

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/content.php

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour/

http://astral-blue.com/tour/

And even a little bit here.

http://www.5dollarsporn.com/ but not much because we don't do anything about it.

Even C4S brings in a few bucks.

As for the idea I don't know how the custom content game works. I know exactly how it works. You work for a day, for a lot less than magazines pay and at the end of the day you own nothing or if you're able to squeeze in a set you get something for free off the sponsors bucks. Overall Sponsors pay poorly. ATK wanted shooters to do 10 sets or 5 sets and videos for $1500. Not just me but loads of shooters, both here in Europe and in the US. Do you remember the scandal when they weren't paying the shooters, not one but a lot. They then agreed to pay them in installments. AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARDS FOR EXPOSURE. Great company to have in your sig, where's your site?

If you are as good as you think you would be working for magazines. Here's a link to what's left. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ic _magazines

You see how clueless you are about the business. You can shoot one set and sell the same set to country after country. If the set fits the magazines style. You really need to do some research before you post.

The level of what a magazine demands is far higher than what the Internet does. Even Dean has said that the main thing today is getting all shot within the budget.

Charley.... try and get the fuck over yourself will ya?

Paul Markham · 02-09-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

Charley.... try and get the fuck over yourself will ya?

Is that your best response.

One of the problems of this part of the porn industry is clowns who are completely clueless about what is happening in it and not even able to think through what they post.

The fact that very few if any of the old time shooters have been employed by Site Owners leads to the conclusion that the money on offer wasn't good enough. Even Eva who I and aren't great shooters found that working freelance paid far more than selling our wares outright to people who paid $100s on sets we earned $1,000 on.

We found that selling content on the stores returned more money than selling out right to Site Owners. Work out what selling a set at $35 x10 and a video + set at $60 x 10 makes. Remember when everyone said non exclusive is saturated? That's the game for content producers. To sell 1 scene over and over again.

Anyone with a grain of sense would see we shot 2,000+ sets, 600+ videos in the last 10 years and not shooting 4-5 a day. We shot 2 a day. Plus we had a 3,500 studio. That takes money to fund. Money that comes from sales. Not at $500 for an exclusive solo girl scene.

But BM Bradly, who now has his link to a customer and not his site, knows better. Does he even have a site these days?

Am I alone in going down the non exclusive route and making money?

Only a fool would think that. There are maybe as many as 100 stills shooters, world wide who went the same route. From Suze Randall across to the likes of me. Yes there was that many of us earning our full time living shooting for mags. BM, I'm just 1 of 100 who found a better route than working for someone else for a day. And selling your work outright, whether your self employed or freelance, means you work for someone else if you're a shooter.

Maybe if you had my success you would be full of yourself as well. Or an arrogant bastard like me.

And it's CHARLY, Not Charley. The spelling was wrong because a French Director got it wrong on the box cover.

ArsewithClass · 02-09-2011, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am not sure what you are trying to say here, but that woman is ugly, the angle sucks and the light too

The previous picture of her, was horrible. She isnt gods gift to men, yes, Im not an idiot. But SGS did use the most awful photo of her. Its was kind of unfair to the model. My shot at least shows nice tits, her legs are ok without wrinkles & tummy rolls. I was just stating the obvious. Get a great model with a crap tog, and you still have a shit model. Get an average model & put her with the best, & they can make the model look fantastic.

Everyone on vogue has been touched up by photoshop... lets get rid of those old hagger lines etc

Grapesoda · 02-09-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is that your best response.

One of the problems of this part of the porn industry is clowns who are completely clueless about what is happening in it and not even able to think through what they post.

The fact that very few if any of the old time shooters have been employed by Site Owners leads to the conclusion that the money on offer wasn't good enough. Even Eva who I and aren't great shooters found that working freelance paid far more than selling our wares outright to people who paid $100s on sets we earned $1,000 on.

We found that selling content on the stores returned more money than selling out right to Site Owners. Work out what selling a set at $35 x10 and a video + set at $60 x 10 makes. Remember when everyone said non exclusive is saturated? That's the game for content producers. To sell 1 scene over and over again.

Anyone with a grain of sense would see we shot 2,000+ sets, 600+ videos in the last 10 years and not shooting 4-5 a day. We shot 2 a day. Plus we had a 3,500 studio. That takes money to fund. Money that comes from sales. Not at $500 for an exclusive solo girl scene.

But BM Bradly, who now has his link to a customer and not his site, knows better. Does he even have a site these days?

Am I alone in going down the non exclusive route and making money?

Only a fool would think that. There are maybe as many as 100 stills shooters, world wide who went the same route. From Suze Randall across to the likes of me. Yes there was that many of us earning our full time living shooting for mags. BM, I'm just 1 of 100 who found a better route than working for someone else for a day. And selling your work outright, whether your self employed or freelance, means you work for someone else if you're a shooter.

Maybe if you had my success you would be full of yourself as well. Or an arrogant bastard like me.

And it's CHARLY, Not Charley. The spelling was wrong because a French Director got it wrong on the box cover.

Charley, I know you've been having a hard time with health issues, the wifes accident and biz issues... I wish you and your family nothing but the best, but seriously why don't you stop making a fool out of yourself here at GFY? are you going to end your days like the midget from Fantasy Island, getting drunk, yelling 'fuck you I was a great mag shooter' at GFY on the monitor screen till you drop dead?

there's nothing 'the best I can do' I don't give a fuck about shooting for magazines and never have. and I don't give a fuck about the biz model of licensed content. and actually don't even give a fuck about shooting content other than doing a great job for my clients and paying the bills. don't even really give a fuck about about having a website, but if I ever do, I'll have one and it won't be what you expect.

I came into Internet Content Production after being disabled in 1999 from my TV/Film career and losing EVERYTHING with a daughter in grade school to support... you understand supporting your family don't you? or is that something else I don't get that makes me a fucking clown?

in 2000 I was retrained in computer science HOWEVER I had another disability hit while in school and could not work in the field. with a kid in school and no fucking money and not being a photogrpher I emailed every porn site I could find and asked what they paid for pictures... ATK answered my email in 2000 and put me to work. the first month I made $600, that year I earned over 230K. not bad for a guy that doesn't fucking get it and wasn't a photographer.....

now about you: I see all the webmasters calling you a dumb ass for your 'webmaster posting' and I don't have an opinion because I am not a webmaster... HOWFUCKINGEVER I am a content producer here in porn valley and I can honestly tell you... you have no real idea what the fuck is going on and the way it works out here, at least not more that say the mainstream media does as at anyrate... and I fucking called you on that.

I'm not sure why you think being a mag shooter in the 90's makes you an authority on web mastering and web content production but it doesn't. and hopefully you did make serious $$$ when you had work and hopefully you invested and saved because I'll guarantee you're not making the same income now and you still have the family to support.

so look I'm just here to fuck around and post nasty pictures and read funny shit. what are you here for? to remind us all of how fucking wonderful you used to be? you need to sit down and figure it out because you surley are making a fool out of yourself.

Barefootsies · 02-09-2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

so look I'm just here to fucck around and post nasty pictures and read funny shit. what are you here for? to remind us all of how fucking wonderful you used to be? you need to sit down and figure it out because you surley are making a fool out of yourself.

No offense to Paul.

Grapesoda · 02-09-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

No offense to Paul.

hey shit happens

look, I have serious issues.... my coffee grinder is fucked up...

Barefootsies · 02-09-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

hey shit happens

look, I have serious issues.... my coffee grinder is fucked up...

I have nothing against you or Paul. I just enjoy a good zinger.

SpicyM · 02-09-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

I like her..

Good amateur photo.. and she has got a hairy snatch too, yummy..

Grapesoda · 02-09-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have nothing against you or Paul. I just enjoy a good zinger.

yes I would like to see charley move forward etc...

02-06-2011, 10:03 AM	#56
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Paul, you certainly had your days of success as a photographer of nude models before you retired as you are fond of reminding us, but a lot of what you are saying above is not actually accurate, at least here in the U.S.. Like you, my hands on experience producing porn pre-dates the internet age. Not as far back as yourself, but I can speak authoritatively on anything to do with producing porn movies in the US & Canada and about the actual manufacturing and distribution of porn movies in the VHS/DVD days of the 1990s and 2000s. Working at one of the biggest studios and distributorships for almost seven years and simultaneously producing hundreds of movies from amateur to pro-am and features and then evolving to become one of the most prolific producers of internet content as well in the last decade has given me a unique perspective on the changes in the last twenty years. Two things I would like to refute: 1- There are more new American girls than ever doing porn and there is no reluctance on any of their parts about doing it because of the suppposed lack of money involved or because they fear that their families will find out. I shoot many new models each month and I never hear these things out of their mouths. All of the girls are thrilled to be able to make a few hundred dollars or a grand for a shoot or whatever it is that particular day, and thrilled to get paid and do it as many times as possible in a month or six months or year or however long their career may last. The hitch is that in my experience I find that most other producers and even agents in the biz aren't all that aggressive about recruiting new talent and are not able to come up with enough fresh faced models to satisfy demand, but this is a role I am glad to fulfill. 2- Unlike even a few years ago, say 2005, when even mediocre porn shooters and male porn talent wanting to become producers could line up all kinds of work, nowadays a producer has to have very high quality of both photos and videos, have access to new models, have a unique style and have a consistent workflow to get hired and make money. The bar has been raised a lot by the handful of major clients that are left and not many are able to meet the hurdle. I personally shoot more and better quality content of a model in a single day than I used to be capable of producing in a week years ago. Last edited by Jim_Gunn; 02-06-2011 at 10:04 AM..

02-06-2011, 10:16 AM	#58
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02-06-2011, 04:15 PM	#68
SB_Content Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 82	Ugly is the new Pretty. __________________ For High Quality Photography/Video Content for your sites ICQ 634510360 email.. [email protected]

02-07-2011, 02:31 AM	#71
Sexier Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Celt-Iberia Posts: 364	Nobody is perfect ...... __________________ Webmasters Contact: \| skype: jp_sexier

02-07-2011, 07:36 AM	#75
Hinc Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,577	Theres a niche for everything...and plenty of producers doing well.... __________________ webmaster @ adultlist. com AdultList.com - Directory Listings, Advertisements, Hardlinks Loasex.com - Directory and old school TGP - taking submits A few sales/opportunities: High Quality Guest Posts For Sale Network of Aged sites for sales. Get in touch on the email above for info.

02-06-2011, 07:07 AM	#55
SpicyM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,547	Russian/Ukrainian/Czech and Slovak girls are the most beautiful women on the world.

02-06-2011, 03:08 PM	#65
lance1413 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 20	Anyone have russian and european content? I have domain names for that specific purpose and im looking for content. I don't want to produce, just promote a site. Im happy to be an affiliate. Point me in the right direction.

02-06-2011, 06:43 PM	#70
HD Content So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 316	I am heading to Czech

02-08-2011, 11:48 AM	#77
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I am surprised at how many beautiful girls work in porn, and how their pictures on agency sites do not do them justice....this is the Czech model Miho Lechter who we filmed this month... The reason I think there are so many good east european models is that the industry fuctions well there and the girls can make very good money working. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

02-08-2011, 02:19 PM	#79
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	hmm this thread delivers some truth. eastern euro girls are on average prettier, blonder and blu'er eyes. english girls are typically fat whales Paul markham knew the business really well back in the 80's Shooters have to deliver quality work to stay in business. american girls often have fake tits and bleached hair (but the speak english and have personality and often love what they do). so whats new? __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

02-09-2011, 06:07 AM	#91
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,287	that is why we only film exclusive girls. __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny