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Old 02-07-2011, 02:38 PM   #101
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Na, it's just a lot of joins ... on both sides.

It was around 60% but after Christmas we saw a huge spike in mobile sales.
your mobile sales have grown 167% since Christmas?

wow, very impressive, or your math is terrible, but I doubt that.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:01 PM   #102
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The thread and the post I responded too were about mobilizing a single site even the thread starter has no more than 400 joins. I was under the impression we were talking small here! What you are saying is true but in my opinion this case does not require supporting alot of handsets. There are some great plugins for CMS's that take car of everything but man hours still need to be spent and testing is not easy and unless your actually testing on the device is it really a test and if you buy every device that will cost you alot of $$$

CMS Plugin example: Joomla users check this out! http://extensions.joomla.org/extensi...-display/11722
It is one site... or it can be many, it really makes no difference.

It isn't going to be cheap to do correctly, nothing ever is....just like if you test for the various web browsers, to ensure your sites features work correctly on them all.

The future of porn is technology... little by little the mom and pop shops wont be able to complete because they'll need to be able to adapt to changes, on the fly.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:04 PM   #103
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your mobile sales have grown 167% since Christmas?

wow, very impressive, or your math is terrible, but I doubt that.
What if you factor in a drop for pc sales?
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:13 PM   #104
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Woooooow! I hit up Sly from TopBucksMobile about my horrible 1:4400 ratio and he set me up with some white labels and now I am at 1:318!

And we found out it's mostly celebrity traffic that I'm sending which doesn't target their tour at all. Still converts. Nice works guys.

If you can't convert mobile traffic I suggest you have them set you up like they did me. Took 5 minutes.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:16 PM   #105
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In the 4q 2010, more Smartphones were sold than PC's - First Time Ever! Overall 2010, PC's just barely out sold smartphones. It wont be long before it's not just the smartphone that are out selling the pc, it will be tablets that do it next & they will beat out laptop sales too.

It's already here - are you ready for it?
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:22 PM   #106
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Cool, is this where you office is located?

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10658

J/k, well kinda...

We enjoy the competition!
You can stop mailing me now Dave about our mobile, there is obviously no money in mobile!

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Old 02-11-2011, 03:16 PM   #107
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Mobile Traffic make 100% profit

mobile adult traffic make money for sure,
programs like topbucks, brazzers, nasty, realtity king, sexgoesmobile and some more are all producing good money, so there is defenitive money in the market.

like always its important to get the right product for your site
- livecams, dating or videos, what match best
- test arround with different niche
- do not only redirect, make your own mobile subdomain
- check your country stats, split per geoip

for sure all sales made in the usa market go thru credit card
so its not an impulsive buy and ratios are less, especial if traffic come from FREE sites or tubes.

In europe and countries with wapbilling (direct mobile billing) sexgoesmobile have conversions with 1:100 and less, because user only need to make 2 clicks to pay.

So my advice, split your mobile traffic, to the right product, niche and country and you will have success. Also do mobile seo, this will make you even more money in the future.

here some ways of redirecting scripts
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:13 PM   #108
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It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.
Exactly my toughts. + People who will buy are people who have their dick in their hand while surfing.

Doesn't happen often in a bus.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:48 AM   #109
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Here is a sampling of some of my mobile stats. The first screencap is from PussyCash mobile cams, the second is from RevshareIt mobile porn, and the third is from AFF mobile dating. Notice that so far porn is making me far more on a RPC basis than cams or dating.

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:27 AM   #110
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I don't think mobile will ever replace or compete.I do think it is a market for NICHE stuff where they can sit in the car at a park or whatever.Cams or dating probably does good...I GUESS.I think most will wait till they can see it on the big screen at home
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:35 AM   #111
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Cams or dating probably does good...I GUESS.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:32 AM   #112
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I don't think mobile will ever replace or compete.I do think it is a market for NICHE stuff where they can sit in the car at a park or whatever.Cams or dating probably does good...I GUESS.I think most will wait till they can see it on the big screen at home
Are we defining tablet pcs as mobile devices here?

The only reason I'm thinking of buying a tablet is because it will be more convenient to jerk off to porn on it than it is with my laptop or desktop.
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Are we defining tablet pcs as mobile devices here?

The only reason I'm thinking of buying a tablet is because it will be more convenient to jerk off to porn on it than it is with my laptop or desktop.
We don't redirect our traffic for the ipad or any other tablet device at this time. We're starting to discuss specific versions for those devices but for now the desktop version is the standard.
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It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.
Makes me sad to see this sort of post from somebody like you...

Guess some people just stick to what they know and don't evolve (not calling you stupid or anything like that just for the record..)
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You can stop mailing me now Dave about our mobile, there is obviously no money in mobile!

Thank god.
That one made me laugh!
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I remember back in the mid 90's the mainstream porn world saying their is no money in this Internet porn thing, it's a fad, nobody will sit a pc and watch that, it's to slow, quality stinks, blah blah blah.

They were VERY wrong... very, very very wrong.

If you want to see who will be out of this Industry in 10 years just look at everything turning away from new technologies.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:27 PM   #117
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Na, it's just a lot of joins ... on both sides.

It was around 60% but after Christmas we saw a huge spike in mobile sales.
That's quite the spike.....
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You would have to be really addicted to porn to watch on your phone.
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You would have to be really addicted to porn to watch on your phone.
i don't get this mentality at all. with all the silly shit that gets sold in this biz, why is mobile so lame? hasn't 'catering to the addicts' been the point of selling porn from jump street?
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I think there are numerous of schools of thought regarding what should be done with mobile traffic in order to make money from it:
- sell all traffic redirected to one cam/porn/dating and "let them worry about how to convert it" as one user wrote.
- redirect to affiliate campaign
- create a sub domain or w/l
- 100% premium subscription service
- 100% ad funded model
- Premium/Ad funded model
- ignore it and pretend that nobody looks at porn on their mobile nor is there money to be made from it

Each one seems to have its benefits and pitfalls, working through them one by one my thoughts, for what its worth, are:
1. sell all traffic for a pre defined amount.
The clear upside is the fixed amount paid from the buyer and peace of mind. The downside. Lets say the traffic has a percentage coming from the EU and a percentage from the US - if a buyer whose biz is predominantly US based, they may be buying it even though they may not have operator "one -click"/sms/premium rate call-for-code billing and focusing mainly on converting the US stuff. In which case the price they will pay overall may be less to reflect the fact they have to take the convertible with the not so convertible. Ultimately you might not be getting paid the maximum amount for every user. The answer? As sexgoesmobile mentioned, you could look to split your traffic geographically and sell it to someone who can convert it the best for the territory. Another answer would be to see my note at the bottom of this post for another alternative.
To add further to this, we have always been told from our advertisers that traffic that has operator/sms billing converts 10X better than CC billing but that the lifetime value was half. Therefore it was worked out that approximately you were 5X better off for having operator billed traffic. Imagine you are selling that kind of traffic to someone who only wants to bill it with CC and you can see how much more valuable that traffic is to someone if you can find the right buyer.
2. Redirect to an affiliate campaign
As in the first point, if you have traffic in a territory that can be converted with a one or two step click process in stead of CC billing then it is important to find an affiliate program with the best billing option for your traffic profile.
3. create a sub domain or w/l
Any of the 3 above mentioned versions of this solution can work depending on the goals of the web master.Which one to choose probably comes down to how you have acquired you traffic originally.
- If you currently own a 100% premium web product but are seeing a percentage of it is coming from a hand-held device (perhaps existing paid members or direct nav) then this user is expecting to pay for their content and a w/l or sub domain offering just that could be a profitable way forward.
- If you have traffic coming expecting free content perhaps via search or referral then you can choose between the ad funded or part ad/part premium model. Speaking honestly, our experience has shown that it is difficult to turn a profit on a 100% ad funded model alone and that for the site to make the most of its traffic, you should be offering a premium element. A number of sites offer this with varying lengths of free content (i have seen 20 min vids being given away which seems slightly pointless if you are trying to sell something of your own) but the most effective of our partners find that short free vids that give a taste of the quality to be found in the premium section work best.
Clearly you will not convert all of the users landing on your site so this is where the ad model kicks in, enabling you to make money from the users who don't convert - perhaps that is because they never will or perhaps you don't have a suitable or easy billing solution for them in their given territory. An ad gives them the option to gain the quality of content they want, and you the revenue for bridging the gap. Note that our publishers see little or no drop off on their own subscriptions for these exact reasons.

One final way for a site owner to make money from mobile is now available and could provide the gateway to web masters realising the value of mobilizing their traffic.
As an ad network, we serve up ads the world over on sites optimized for mobile devices and you can carry our ads and make money from them - how much depends on a number of variables including handset and location to name a couple. This is not a new or original concept and is effective and we are not the only network out there doing it well.
However if you dont have a site of your own but have traffic you can do one of the above mentioned methods but maybe it makes little or no money. Maybe your traffic levels are comparably small and/or that a 1:500 or worse conversion means the work is not worth the return.
The point is we can serve an ad to a phone in pretty much every location across the globe which means we can make money on every single user seeking adult content from a hand held device.
If you don't have a site it doesn't matter as you redirect every user to us and we will, in turn, redirect each individual user to a paying advertiser who is best positioned to convert him/her given the aforementioned variables. We can only do this as we have a large enough network of advertisers to cope with the variety of traffic available.

anyway just some musings
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i have carefully watched every single of my iphone using porn surfing friends and yes, NONE OF THEM WILL EVER PAY A DIME FOR PORN, but they have the latest iphones, kindles, and brand new ipods with touch screen with porn apps for free porn LOL

i know personally i wouldnt ever buy porn on phone, but thats me and im decensitized
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in the end, all were basically showing me "how to get porn apps and download free porn all day"
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Woooooow! I hit up Sly from about my horrible 1:4400 ratio and he set me up with some white labels and now I am at 1:318!

And we found out it's mostly celebrity traffic that I'm sending which doesn't target their tour at all. Still converts. Nice works guys.

If you can't convert mobile traffic I suggest you have them set you up like they did me. Took 5 minutes.
Never like to deter from a winning strategy but just saw your note here re. celebrity. not sure if you saw it in a different thread but Mr SKin has now launched their mobile affiliate campaign which might also work well for you?
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One final way for a site owner to make money from mobile is now available and could provide the gateway to web masters realising the value of mobilizing their traffic.
As an ad network, we serve up ads the world over on sites optimized for mobile devices and you can carry our ads and make money from them - how much depends on a number of variables including handset and location to name a couple. This is not a new or original concept and is effective and we are not the only network out there doing it well.
However if you dont have a site of your own but have traffic you can do one of the above mentioned methods but maybe it makes little or no money. Maybe your traffic levels are comparably small and/or that a 1:500 or worse conversion means the work is not worth the return.
The point is we can serve an ad to a phone in pretty much every location across the globe which means we can make money on every single user seeking adult content from a hand held device.
If you don't have a site it doesn't matter as you redirect every user to us and we will, in turn, redirect each individual user to a paying advertiser who is best positioned to convert him/her given the aforementioned variables. We can only do this as we have a large enough network of advertisers to cope with the variety of traffic available.

anyway just some musings
Do you have more info on this?
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Mobile traffic sent to the right sponsors is gold, you just need to know what is the best sponsor for each country and add GEO to your Mobile redirects to send it to the right sponsor per country, in fact it applies for any kind of advertisement, but it's KEY with mobile due to the different billing methods per country.

This is yesterday for some marginal traffic in one of my tube sites from a given country and a good sponsor for that country (Sex Goes Mobile)

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I dunno.

Back in the early days of the internet, it took time for users to feel comfy giving out their credit card info on the web - hell, I know people who still won't do it. Phones feel less secure to a lot of people still - beaming credit card information to who knows who? Mobile broadband is still in its infancy.

The learning curve still has to finish its upswing.
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Yep, it's much worse then computer customers. It's just to have a product so small it's hard to justify paying for it. Plus it's harder to research a company on your mobile web.
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Yep, it's much worse then computer customers. It's just to have a product so small it's hard to justify paying for it. Plus it's harder to research a company on your mobile web.
Everyone also needs to think about all the mobile devices that are out there. It's not just phones - think iPads, tablets, etc. Those types of devices are growing. And porn on an iPad is pretty nice.
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I dunno.

Back in the early days of the internet, it took time for users to feel comfy giving out their credit card info on the web - hell, I know people who still won't do it. Phones feel less secure to a lot of people still - beaming credit card information to who knows who? Mobile broadband is still in its infancy.

The learning curve still has to finish its upswing.
Hey liz, we should have had a natter about this at the show!

do you reckon the future is to give people time to feel safe using a CC or should people entering the mobile market look to have an alternate billing option. I mentioned before, some of our customers have shown us that in the EU and Tri Nations, premium rate, reverse sms or direct operator billing is commonplace and converts sometimes as much as 10X that of CC.

there are a number of companies out there who can help mobile webmasters with alternate billing but it seems some people find it hard to take the traffic outside of their own territory, seriously despite the fact it could be more valuable.
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I am also surprised that nobody has decided to talk about bango as a potentially viable billing option....... not popular??
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Old 02-23-2011, 06:55 AM   #135
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Originally Posted by benk81 View Post
Hey liz, we should have had a natter about this at the show!

do you reckon the future is to give people time to feel safe using a CC or should people entering the mobile market look to have an alternate billing option. I mentioned before, some of our customers have shown us that in the EU and Tri Nations, premium rate, reverse sms or direct operator billing is commonplace and converts sometimes as much as 10X that of CC.

there are a number of companies out there who can help mobile webmasters with alternate billing but it seems some people find it hard to take the traffic outside of their own territory, seriously despite the fact it could be more valuable.
*laugh*

Well, you know how it goes - give me a shout. I'm on ICQ and Skype most of the day, sugar.
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