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itto · 02-09-2011, 06:57 PM

I fired up my 486dx33 and it worked (yay).. seeing my old assembler source codes makes me feel nostalgic.. vga mode 320x200

mov ax,13h
int 10h

Anybody know what tf i'm talkin' about? lol.

Tempest · 02-09-2011, 07:07 PM

Those were the days... Video calls..

itto · 02-09-2011, 07:16 PM

really, back in the days.. y*320+x was the equation needed to plot a fucking pixel and nowadays we argue about highdef, 3d and whatnot.. it's incredible.

Zverka · 02-09-2011, 07:19 PM

I remember this sound also ;)

GrouchyAdmin · 02-09-2011, 07:25 PM

Uh.. from memory, lemme see:

Code:

.ideal
.8088

text db 'l33t d00d', 13, 10, '$'
mov dx, offset text
mov ah, 09h
int 21h
mov ah,4ch
int 21h

I blew up 3 VGA cards teaching myself how to unchain. That's back when 256k cost about $100 and I was making about $4/hr.

itto · 02-09-2011, 07:38 PM

and, i remember, there was this argument back then whether to use MASM or TASM.. (i, personally, chose tasm)

GrouchyAdmin · 02-09-2011, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

and, i remember, there was this argument back then whether to use MASM or TASM.. (i, personally, chose tasm)

I used .ideal, didn't I?

Most of them cheated though and inlined Pascal. (Future Crew, I'm talking to you!)

I think the one person who made the most mind numbingly awesome Assembly was Thomas Pytel, here in the US - Tran of Rennaisance. The only shame is he took advantage of CPU bugs to speed things up, and by the P5, most of his stuff wouldn't work anymore, even if DOS based.

itto · 02-09-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I used .ideal, didn't I?

Most of them cheated though and inlined Pascal. (Future Crew, I'm talking to you!)

I think the one person who made the most mind numbingly awesome Assembly was Thomas Pytel, here in the US - Tran of Rennaisance. The only shame is he took advantage of CPU bugs to speed things up, and by the P5, most of his stuff wouldn't work anymore, even if DOS based.

Tran was THE man, what was this thing called.. timeless or something. He was like the ONLY dude in the US back then who got his code right.

Chosen · 02-09-2011, 07:56 PM

ZX Spectrum (Z80) Asm coder here

itto · 02-09-2011, 07:57 PM

re: future crew.. second reality was their major hit but IMHO "panic" was way better.. just sayin'

itto · 02-09-2011, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen

ZX Spectrum (Z80) Asm coder here

never coded on that system.. "mov" is "ld", right?

camperjohn64 · 02-09-2011, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

Tran was THE man, what was this thing called.. timeless or something. He was like the ONLY dude in the US back then who got his code right.

I knew Tran personally. He turned out to be a total dick.

I used to code ASM on 486, Commodore, Vic20, Pet, and the Radioshack Color computer.

marcop · 02-09-2011, 09:09 PM

I hate to admit this, but I was an IBM Assembler and Cobol programmer back in the day. Sigh...

itto · 02-09-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

I knew Tran personally. He turned out to be a total dick.

Really? ..i didn't know him personally, i just thought he was a (very) good coder. What's the dick thing all about?

VGeorgie · 02-09-2011, 09:12 PM

We're still using assembler with microcontrollers. It hasn't gone anywhere.

itto · 02-09-2011, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGeorgie

We're still using assembler with microcontrollers. It hasn't gone anywhere.

cool thing

Chosen · 02-09-2011, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

never coded on that system.. "mov" is "ld", right?

Yes, exactly

rowan · 02-09-2011, 10:18 PM

I coded in x86 asm but not for fast graphics... I wrote a little compiler that used a basic-like language and spat out a self contained MASM/TASM compatible file which was then assembled into a .COM or .EXE. The library was all text so rather than being this big monolithic .LIB file with a heap of crap pulled in that never got used, the output contained only what was needed. I think "Hello World" compiled to about 200 bytes, which is pretty decent for a high level language.

itto · 02-09-2011, 10:37 PM

i remember the days, when Gouraud shading was THE shit, and we came on the scene, saying: "n**ga, whassup, we got PHONG shading (actually a nifty cool environment-mapping)+plus+ super coolio mp3 song compression ;)

Traxman · 02-09-2011, 10:44 PM

my shortest asm program was 11 bytes + 2 bytes for the long jump, i exchanged the first 3 bytes that makes the long jump on boot sectors and the 8 characters on label (!) to make sure i erased by friends bios each time he booted

No int 21h, simple input values and no dos calls at all .. low level stuff

If you change a value in the cmos, each time you boot you get the famous Bios checksum error and you had to recheck every parameter

camperjohn64 · 02-09-2011, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

Really? ..i didn't know him personally, i just thought he was a (very) good coder. What's the dick thing all about?

He just had a very shitty attitude about everything. Always though other people were losers - and I don't mean those that code - just people in general.

itto · 02-09-2011, 11:02 PM

90h
nop

itto · 02-09-2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

He just had a very shitty attitude about everything. Always though other people were losers - and I don't mean those that code - just people in general.

ah ok, i see..

itto · 02-09-2011, 11:18 PM

this whole talkin' reminds me of.. was anybody of you at a "demo party"? ..like, "assembly" or "the party"? ..i was at Wired, tp95, 97, later then at mekka, symposium..

d-null · 02-09-2011, 11:38 PM

they were romantic times back then, one guy sitting at his computer could come up with greatness in less than 16k

raven1083 · 02-10-2011, 01:20 AM

some old old days

rowan · 02-10-2011, 05:34 AM

I once wrote a DOS TSR to occasionally change a keypress to the "adjacent" key. It was installed when students logged into the school chat BBS system (which I ran)

It was funny seeing normally good touch typers scratch their head because they were suddenly making mistakes.

just a punk · 02-10-2011, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itto

I fired up my 486dx33 and it worked (yay).. seeing my old assembler source codes makes me feel nostalgic.. vga mode 320x200

mov ax,13h
int 10h

Anybody know what tf i'm talkin' about? lol.

MCGA mode

redwhiteandblue · 02-10-2011, 07:47 AM

My thread has arrived.

I still have a copy of The ZX Spectrum ROM Disassembly by Dr Ian Logan and Dr Frank O'Hara, I wonder if it's worth anything.

And yes, TASM was better.

GrouchyAdmin · 02-10-2011, 10:39 AM

CJ64> Know anyone else in the group? I almost got briefly back-into the scene folks after finding out/relaying that White Shadow had died. Didn't know any of them personally, though.

Also, that 'Phong' was mostly bullshit. You were probably thinking of Dope/Complex, which just ran a picture of someone's cat over the render for their mapping.. and one of their 'textures' was the name of one of their teachers. It was debunked on MindCandy DVD 1.

just a punk · 02-10-2011, 11:18 AM

I've never been in scene thing, but some of my proggies written for ZX-Spectrum are still available at http://www.worldofspectrum.org/ and my tutorials on low level SVGA and unofficial VGA modes X programming are still floating on the Net

redwhiteandblue · 02-10-2011, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

I've never been in scene thing, but some of my proggies written for ZX-Spectrum are still available at http://www.worldofspectrum.org/

Hehe, mine too

Klen · 02-10-2011, 01:29 PM

Ah lol,i was just telling my dad how assembler is one heaviest programming languages to learn

avrevenue · 02-10-2011, 10:58 PM

for people who still looking for what's up in the scene: http://www.pouet.net/

Ah, missing theses old days with dos stuff, where you have to write yous dos extender, and play mode-x stuff. I remember using softice with second Hercules card to debut stuff!

GrouchyAdmin · 02-11-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cici131421

I remember using softice with second Hercules card to debut stuff!

You didn't explain to anyone why you'd use a Herc. (Different video address space).

Man, I remember many a day in SoftICE. Damn shame it never did support more than 64M (max, EMS/XMS).

just a punk · 02-11-2011, 01:14 PM

Ну все, старые пердуны будут сотрясать топик, пока весь песок из попы не высыпется

02-09-2011, 06:57 PM	#1
itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	Any asm-coders from back in the days here? I fired up my 486dx33 and it worked (yay).. seeing my old assembler source codes makes me feel nostalgic.. vga mode 320x200 mov ax,13h int 10h Anybody know what tf i'm talkin' about? lol. __________________

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	really, back in the days.. y*320+x was the equation needed to plot a fucking pixel and nowadays we argue about highdef, 3d and whatnot.. it's incredible. __________________

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Zverka Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: EU Posts: 278	I remember this sound also ;) __________________

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GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	Uh.. from memory, lemme see: Code: .ideal .8088 text db 'l33t d00d', 13, 10, '$' mov dx, offset text mov ah, 09h int 21h mov ah,4ch int 21h I blew up 3 VGA cards teaching myself how to unchain. That's back when 256k cost about $100 and I was making about $4/hr. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	and, i remember, there was this argument back then whether to use MASM or TASM.. (i, personally, chose tasm) __________________

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Those were the days... Video calls..

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	re: future crew.. second reality was their major hit but IMHO "panic" was way better.. just sayin' __________________

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I coded in x86 asm but not for fast graphics... I wrote a little compiler that used a basic-like language and spat out a self contained MASM/TASM compatible file which was then assembled into a .COM or .EXE. The library was all text so rather than being this big monolithic .LIB file with a heap of crap pulled in that never got used, the output contained only what was needed. I think "Hello World" compiled to about 200 bytes, which is pretty decent for a high level language.

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	i remember the days, when Gouraud shading was THE shit, and we came on the scene, saying: "n*ga, whassup, we got PHONG shading (actually a nifty cool environment-mapping)+plus+ super coolio mp3 song compression ;) __________________ Last edited by itto; 02-09-2011 at 10:42 PM..*

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Traxman Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Close to internet Posts: 58	my shortest asm program was 11 bytes + 2 bytes for the long jump, i exchanged the first 3 bytes that makes the long jump on boot sectors and the 8 characters on label (!) to make sure i erased by friends bios each time he booted No int 21h, simple input values and no dos calls at all .. low level stuff If you change a value in the cmos, each time you boot you get the famous Bios checksum error and you had to recheck every parameter __________________ Just because I know a lot of things, dont mean I know everything

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	90h nop __________________

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itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	this whole talkin' reminds me of.. was anybody of you at a "demo party"? ..like, "assembly" or "the party"? ..i was at Wired, tp95, 97, later then at mekka, symposium.. __________________ Last edited by itto; 02-09-2011 at 11:19 PM..

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I once wrote a DOS TSR to occasionally change a keypress to the "adjacent" key. It was installed when students logged into the school chat BBS system (which I ran) It was funny seeing normally good touch typers scratch their head because they were suddenly making mistakes.

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redwhiteandblue Bollocks Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bollocks Posts: 2,792	My thread has arrived. I still have a copy of The ZX Spectrum ROM Disassembly by Dr Ian Logan and Dr Frank O'Hara, I wonder if it's worth anything. And yes, TASM was better. __________________ Interserver unmanaged AMD Ryzen servers from $73.00

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GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	CJ64> Know anyone else in the group? I almost got briefly back-into the scene folks after finding out/relaying that White Shadow had died. Didn't know any of them personally, though. Also, that 'Phong' was mostly bullshit. You were probably thinking of Dope/Complex, which just ran a picture of someone's cat over the render for their mapping.. and one of their 'textures' was the name of one of their teachers. It was debunked on MindCandy DVD 1. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	I've never been in scene thing, but some of my proggies written for ZX-Spectrum are still available at http://www.worldofspectrum.org/ and my tutorials on low level SVGA and unofficial VGA modes X programming are still floating on the Net __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Ah lol,i was just telling my dad how assembler is one heaviest programming languages to learn

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avrevenue Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,889	for people who still looking for what's up in the scene: http://www.pouet.net/ Ah, missing theses old days with dos stuff, where you have to write yous dos extender, and play mode-x stuff. I remember using softice with second Hercules card to debut stuff!

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Ну все, старые пердуны будут сотрясать топик, пока весь песок из попы не высыпется __________________ Obey the Cowgod