Why religion is inherently evil

[Paul Markham]

Pope?s child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims.

You simply won't believe this, read it anyway.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz1EgibsYBR

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered ?normal? by society.

Men like him run all religions. Maybe with the exception of the Delai Lama.

[Grapesoda]

by definition the Catholic Church could be defined as a criminal enterprise engaging in pedophilia and hiding pedophiles.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

religion is inherently evil.

True dat fine sire.

[CaptainHowdy]

I'm not having a serious theological/psychological discussion on a place called Go Fuck Yourself ... or with someone misspelling Dalai Lama.

[AtlantisCash]

Religion is not only evil, but a good manipulation tool to control sheeps, No Wonder that's why no one told him to shut the fuck up regarding the Catholic church is not even last one who should talk about abusing children :2 cents

[DWB]

Religion is a necessary evil.

Imagine the chaos and crimes that would be committed if no one feared their God. It also helps those who need to believe in something. If life was meaningless, many would be lost.

It's the best from of control ever created. Absolutely brilliant.

[Fletch XXX]

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Religion is a necessary evil.

Imagine the chaos and crimes that would be committed if no one feared their God. It also helps those who need to believe in something. If life was meaningless, many would be lost.

It's the best from of control ever created. Absolutely brilliant.

Thats a failed arguement that brought up by the religious ones most of the time, Religions itself are reason to crime more than Atheism/Agnostisizm/Deism probabely do.

a specially when i look at Radical islamists, Anty Abortionist Christians, Zionist Jews and so on.

[wig]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Religion is a necessary evil.

Imagine the chaos and crimes that would be committed if no one feared their God.

How do you explain the Scandinavian countries?

Once again, you're common wisdom is flat wrong.

It also helps those who need to believe in something. If life was meaningless, many would be lost.

Life is not meaningless to those who have no religion or religious beliefs. You make your own meaning through things like your family, your friends, your work, your hobbies, your community, etc.

It's the best from of control ever created. Absolutely brilliant.

I don't know if it the best form of control or not, but I'll agree it is a good form of control. What about government and law?

As a possible evolutionary benefit (or by-product of one), and the fact that it appears universally in some fashion or another, I'm not sure I would characterize it as brilliant.

[Agent 488]

religious people generally score happier than their non-religious peers and give more of their time and money to charity.

in the grand scheme of things their positive contributions probably make up for the odd pope diddler.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by wig

How do you explain the Scandinavian countries?

Once again, you're common wisdom is flat wrong.

They even openly preach against xstianity! Love that land of heathens!



HEATHEN HEART! PAGAN PRIDE!
HOLD THE HEATHEN HAMMER HIGH!

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

religious people generally score happier than their non-religious peers and give more of their time and money to charity.

in the grand scheme of things their positive contributions probably make up for the odd pope diddler.

i would think the otherwise, to donate charities, You don't have to be religious (i agree they have some nice volantary organizations though).

For example: i had a religion until a year ago or so, since i quit it, i feel even more sensitive to some issues and i m happier as well.

as a Deeist i believe in GOD though, when you do something as a favour of others, You feel happyness incase and it makes You even more responsible.

[The Demon]

Hilarious thread title, shows the lack of intelligence by the op. You're right, religion is evil, not people. Just like Guns are inherently evil, not the people that use them! Rofl.

If religion is inherently evil, I can't imagine what secularism is since it's responsible for most deaths. Then again the whole idea is ass backwards logic, considering 99 out of 100 religious people are normal human beings who believe in a divine presence. Nice job jackass.

[wig]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

religious people generally score happier than their non-religious peers and give more of their time and money to charity.

in the grand scheme of things their positive contributions probably make up for the odd pope diddler.

Just some food for thought on this...

"Some researchers suggest there are happiness benefits to being in the majority when it comes to religious belief. Many studies finding correlations between happiness and religiosity come from measuring Religion in the United States - a predominantly Christian country (making the nonreligious a minority).

According to a 2007 paper by Liesbeth Snoep, published in the Journal of Happiness Studies, there is no significant correlation between religiosity and individual happiness when researchers measure Religion in the Netherlands and Denmark. These countries have lower rates of religious affiliation than the United States, meaning the non-religious are not the vast minority - a fact that Snoep thinks might help explain the different correlations.

According to the Gallup World Poll survey conducted between 2005 and 2009 Denmark is the happiest country in the world, and the Netherlands rank fourth."

Source

Charity is another area where I think it is important to look deeper into the explanations and correlations when comparing religious / non-religious.

[Agent 488]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happine..._and_happiness

[wig]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happine..._and_happiness

I guess you missed the fact that this is exactly the source I posted?

Did you read it all, including the last paragraph (which I also quoted in my post)?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

I guess you missed the fact that this is exactly the source I posted?

Did you read it all, including the last paragraph (which I also quoted in my post)?

Skimmed through your post so not sure if you mentioned there could be a correlation between religion and happiness, but neither one is a necessary condition for the other. As a religious person, I'm perfectly fine knowing people can not believe in God and be happy, or believe in God and not organized religion and still be happy.

[AtlantisCash]

You somehow right for we should blame people rather than just throwing Our swords to the religions itself, but there is a fact that, some people brainwashed by those organize religion thing and it causes lots of problems.

btw. What You mean by saying Secularism caused many deaths? Secularism is based on "seperating Church and state" Probabely most of us want this though, if You meant Marxism/Comunism, yea thats an other sick ideology that prohibits people from living the way they want, i mighht be miss understanding You though :2cents:

[wig]

I guess responding to the wrong posts is contagious.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

You somehow right for we should blame people rather than just throwing Our swords to the religions itself, but there is a fact that, some people brainwashed by those organize religion thing and it causes lots of problems.

btw. What You mean by saying Secularism caused many deaths? Secularism is based on "seperating Church and state" Probabely most of us want this though, if You meant Marxism/Comunism, yea thats an other sick ideology that prohibits people from living the way they want, i mighht be miss understanding You though ::2cents:

Communism under Stalin was centered around Secularism. Religion was banned from schools. Stalin's anti religious philosophies were responsible for 50 million deaths. Even Hitler's anti Jewish/Christian (yes I know he was a registered Christian) philosophies resulted in millions of deaths. Cults are also the seclarist version of religions and I don't think I need to get into that one. Point is, religion isn't responsible for as many deaths as people think.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Skimmed through your post so not sure if you mentioned there could be a correlation between religion and happiness, but neither one is a necessary condition for the other. As a religious person, I'm perfectly fine knowing people can not believe in God and be happy, or believe in God and not organized religion and still be happy.

if you weren't basically born into a religion, would you still be religious?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if you weren't basically born into a religion, would you still be religious?

Lol... The question itself is flawed. I was born into communism during the last days of the Soviet Union, so were my parents and grandparents who aren't religious. I became somewhat religious only a few years ago. Not enough to be considered an orthodox Jew but also more than reform and conservative.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Communism under Stalin was centered around Secularism. Religion was banned from schools. Stalin's anti religious philosophies were responsible for 50 million deaths. Even Hitler's anti Jewish/Christian (yes I know he was a registered Christian) philosophies resulted in millions of deaths. Cults are also the seclarist version of religions and I don't think I need to get into that one. Point is, religion isn't responsible for as many deaths as people think.

So if the religion of choice for the commies was roman catholic or anything really, do you really think it would of changed anything? i don't. religious or not, those in power typically feel above any 'rules' put in place.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Lol... The question itself is flawed. I was born into communism during the last days of the Soviet Union, so were my parents and grandparents who aren't religious. I became somewhat religious only a few years ago. Not enough to be considered an orthodox Jew but also more than reform and conservative.

well i guess i had you wrong. i assumed you being jewish, were born by jewish parents, jewish granparents, ect. It seems for jewish people religion is very much a part of who they identify themselves as. so i wondered if you weren't born into judaism if you would still feel the same.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

So if the religion of choice for the commies was roman catholic or anything really, do you really think it would of changed anything? i don't. religious or not, those in power typically feel above any 'rules' put in place.

I don't understand the question. Have I given off the impression that the Soviet Union would have been better off with religion? I'm not sure where you got that. Communism isn't necessarily secular but all communist countries(that I'm aware of) ban religion. It's a basic Marxist principle that "God" has no place in society. There's a lot more religion now In Russia than ever before and they're as corrupt as ever so I don't think much would have changed with the serf mentality.

well i guess i had you wrong. i assumed you being jewish, were born by jewish parents, jewish granparents, ect. It seems for jewish people religion is very much a part of who they identify themselves as. so i wondered if you weren't born into judaism if you would still feel the same.

I am Jewish and was born to Jewish Parents, who had Jewish parents and so on. You asked me if I was born into religious Judaism, which is different than being born into Judaism. There's a huge difference between being born Jewish in America, where it's no big deal, and Communist Russia, where it's a huge deal. My parents had pride for their Judaism because they were labeled different and inferior. Yea they went to temple sometimes throughout their youth, when it was forbidden, and they made it a point for us to understand it and experience it in America because they didn't get to.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I don't understand the question. Have I given off the impression that the Soviet Union would have been better off with religion? I'm not sure where you got that. Communism isn't necessarily secular but all communist countries(that I'm aware of) ban religion. It's a basic Marxist principle that "God" has no place in society. There's a lot more religion now In Russia than ever before and they're as corrupt as ever so I don't think much would have changed with the serf mentality.

you say "Stalin's anti religious philosophies were responsible for 50 million deaths", so one must assume that if he pro religious, the deaths wouldn't of happened..?

[wig]

Blah... Stalin created a cult of personality. If anything, it was more like religion than not.

It's the same with North Korea. North Koreans have to worship their dear leader -- even after he died.

Regardless, comparing death counts by supposedly religious / non-religious is a red herring.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

you say "Stalin's anti religious philosophies were responsible for 50 million deaths", so one must assume that if he pro religious, the deaths wouldn't of happened..?

I didn't say that. We can assume whatever we want. But if people continue to look at religion as the cause of deaths worldwide throughout history, I can just point to a philosophy that takes the opposite approach and is responsible for more deaths.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

Blah... Stalin created a cult of personality. If anything, it was more like religion than not.

It's the same with North Korea. North Koreans have to worship their dear leader -- even after he died.

Regardless, comparing death counts by supposedly religious / non-religious is a red herring.

It may be a red herring but calling Stalin's "cult" more like a religion than not is just plain old rationalization.

[CaptainHowdy]

I hope some of you don't scream for a priest in your deathbeds ...

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by wig

I guess you missed the fact that this is exactly the source I posted?

Did you read it all, including the last paragraph (which I also quoted in my post)?

how does it change the fact in the US you are more likely to be happy is religious?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I hope some of you don't scream for a priest in your deathbeds ...

If you are "in" your deathbead, a priest is the only person that could save you

[wig]

Originally Posted by The Demon

It may be a red herring but calling Stalin's "cult" more like a religion than not is just plain old rationalization.

What am I supposed to be rationalizing?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by wig

What am I supposed to be rationalizing?

The belief that Stalin's "cult" was more of a religion is a great way to rationalize that religion is responsible for more deaths than anything else.

[Puremeds-J]

[wig]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

how does it change the fact in the US you are more likely to be happy is religious?

Well, now you're just moving the goal posts. You said:

religious people generally score happier than their non-religious peers

So, what it shows is that this is not necessarily true, since the happiest country does not have the correlation (ie; religious belief = more happiness)

[wig]

Originally Posted by The Demon

The belief that Stalin's "cult" was more of a religion is a great way to rationalize that religion is responsible for more deaths than anything else.

But I never made that assertion. In fact, as I said, I think the whole argument is a red herring.

[PR_Glen]

why does anyone care about what people believe in? who are you to say what they should or should not believe? What does pedophilia have to do with religion?

let them be, work on you instead and you will find happiness always.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Communism under Stalin was centered around Secularism. Religion was banned from schools. Stalin's anti religious philosophies were responsible for 50 million deaths. Even Hitler's anti Jewish/Christian (yes I know he was a registered Christian) philosophies resulted in millions of deaths. Cults are also the seclarist version of religions and I don't think I need to get into that one. Point is, religion isn't responsible for as many deaths as people think.

as a Libertarian person, Advocating stupid commies mustn't be my job, What i mean was, Marxism itself doesn't need secularism to ban religion, because their's Marx's Quote calling religion as an Opium/Drug.

So it wasn't secularism (Which we call it Seperating church and state", but Marxism what caused many deaths.

[wig]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

why does anyone care about what people believe in? who are you to say what they should or should not believe?

let them be, work on you instead and you will find happiness always.

Oh, I think you know the answer to this. Of course, what people believe in has no consequences when they keep it to themselves.

What does pedophilia have to do with religion?

He was talking about the Catholic Church and your asking this? Not that I agree with the rest of his opinion, but the RCC has a serious problem here.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by wig

Well, now you're just moving the goal posts. You said:



So, what it shows is that this is not necessarily true, since the happiest country does not have the correlation (ie; religious belief = more happiness)

happiness is higher there due to their social/economic/political systems, that is all.

still for the rest of the world religion - happiness.

[Tom_PM]

It's like magic!

[wig]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

happiness is higher there due to their social/economic/political systems, that is all.

still for the rest of the world religion - happiness.

Well, that's exactly the point, isn't it? There are other factors involved.

You continue to confuse causation with correlation. And that's beside the fact that you've been shown that the correlation you cite to substantiate the result you offer is problematic.

[ottopottomouse]

Shit. I forgot it was Christmas yesterday

[cam_girls]

Religion is just the story of Adam and Eve getting together.

[TheSenator]

The Bible is 100% true! Can't wait for the end times when we slaughter all the Jews!

PRAISE JESUS!!!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Religion is a necessary evil.

Imagine the chaos and crimes that would be committed if no one feared their God. It also helps those who need to believe in something. If life was meaningless, many would be lost.

It's the best from of control ever created. Absolutely brilliant.

if you haven't read it yet: http://www.raymondkhoury.com/book/book_templar.asp

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Men like him run all religions. Maybe with the exception of the Delai Lama.

Um Buddhism is not a religion so you're wrong.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by wig

How do you explain the Scandinavian countries?

Don't understand the question.

Originally Posted by wig

Once again, you're common wisdom is flat wrong.

It is quite possible I'm wrong. However, religion is what it is for a reason. The masses WANT it. They NEED it. Otherwise it would not exist in the manner that it does not.

Originally Posted by wig

Life is not meaningless to those who have no religion or religious beliefs. You make your own meaning through things like your family, your friends, your work, your hobbies, your community, etc.

I do not follow a religion and life is full of meaning to me. I'm not arguing that. However, the people who NEED religion obviously need it. Take their God and purpose away and see where they stand. Many of them will be lost. Some people just need to believe in something other than themselves.

You can't debate "if it never existed in the first place" as that is not realistic. You can only debate "if all religion ended today." And if that happened, it probably wouldn't be pretty. At least not for some regions of the world.

Originally Posted by wig

I don't know if it the best form of control or not, but I'll agree it is a good form of control. What about government and law?

Government control isn't working out too well in the middle east right now, or if you look at history, it doesn't there either. Religion trumps all for control. As silly as it all is, for whatever reason the vast majority of humans believe in some form of it.

Originally Posted by wig

As a possible evolutionary benefit (or by-product of one), and the fact that it appears universally in some fashion or another, I'm not sure I would characterize it as brilliant.

Until it is no more, I have to consider it brilliant. How else can you control billions people?

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Thats a failed arguement that brought up by the religious ones most of the time, Religions itself are reason to crime more than Atheism/Agnostisizm/Deism probabely do.

I can't dispute the facts that more blood has been spilled in gods name than not, however, without it and in modern times, if word broke tomorrow that God does not exist and it could somehow be proven, there would be chaos. But maybe I'm wrong. I suppose it's also possible all the believers would say, "ha, I knew it!" and we could all finally live in peace. Could go either way I guess. But I am a firm believer that humans need some sort of higher power to make them feel life is not meaningless and it does not all end with the end of human form. I wish that were not true, but facts are facts and there are more who believe in something than do not.

[Agent 488]

the dalai lama would not deny buddhism is a religion.