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leg4 · 02-22-2011, 12:58 AM

Serious Business Suggestion for Affiliate Programs in 2011

Around 2001-2002, I joined an affiliate program (can NOT remember which one)

I was assigned an affiliate rep that actually went out of her way to call me.

I thought this was the neatest/coolest thing ever... No other Affiliate program gave a shit at that time about reps...Everyone was making money, We are all partying like Rockstars.
Basically just calling to check on me and see if I needed anything or whatever... Mostly just to say hey "We're human, and we recognize you are too"

I did land up fucking that rep at the next Vegas convention. But that's not important right now.

But, even if they had assigned me a guy... I would have loved that they followed up and called me from time to time. (I would have not fucked him)

Affiliates are jumping ship/quitting the biz because we're trying all kinds of shit and its not working.

If you guys had someone that called us to show you cared, we may actually try harder for you.

Just an idea- And I would love to see what you guys think of this idea?

Would this help you as an Affiliate trying to find the right company to promote?????

carzygirls · 02-22-2011, 01:05 AM

stfu...

chill, learn, respect, do better in future

cardinalvices · 02-22-2011, 01:11 AM

Leg4 well said.

will76 · 02-22-2011, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leg4

If you guys had someone that called us to show you cared, we may actually try harder for you.

No offense, but if you need a rep to give you motivation to try to work harder and make more money then you in the wrong business. If you can't motivate yourself to make more money on your own then you need to go work for someone else and collect a check each week.

I want the reps to stay out of my way and leave me alone. On the rare occasion I need them to check if a payment is sent or whatever I will hit them up.

I don't give a fuck if the company cares or not. Just pay me on time and up hold your end of the bargain.

It's 2011, I'm not worried about gifts, pat on the back, drinks, calls to tell me good job.... I'm worried about assholes changing their TOS, deciding not to pay people, going out of business, shaving, scamming, etc... If they can just stick to keeping their end of the deal, that is all the love I need them to show me.

" call us to show you care every once and a while" hunh ??? You drunk ?

plsureking · 02-22-2011, 01:16 AM

ya i've done work for a lot of sponsors in the last decade. the ones that have any awareness of their affiliate program at all don't think its worth spending that much effort, money and time on a group of salespeople who are already earning 50% or more of each sale.

not saying thats right, but its definitely the typical view of a sponsor. i dont care how bad sales get, calling affiliates on the phone is never going to be the norm. keep dreaming lol

gaffg · 02-22-2011, 02:02 AM

If you want phone calls from affiliate managers signup to casino affiliate programs. You might even get calls while you are sleeping depending on your time zone.

fuzebox · 02-22-2011, 02:05 AM

I'm with will76. If an affiliate rep actually called me on the phone I'd be pissed.

alias · 02-22-2011, 02:34 AM

You need a friend?

sojproductions · 02-22-2011, 03:17 AM

I can see the argument for both sides of the coin, but as a program owner i'd rather my team spent time on generating new tools, updating, customer service and so on making sure the end product is as good as it can be, quality should be obvious to the affiliate as he probably wouldn't have signed up in the first place.

Sharky · 02-22-2011, 07:50 AM

The problem with calling affiliates is that there are still so many part timers whose family might not know what they are doing. Personal attention is great, but phone calls in this biz are a little excessive.

ICQ/skype/email contact is more standard and accepted.

xNetworx · 02-22-2011, 02:42 PM

Affiliate programs should consider having a check box that says something like "I would like to receive periodic calls from a representative".

billywatson · 02-22-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leg4

Affiliates are jumping ship/quitting the biz because we're trying all kinds of shit and its not working.

Adapt or die.

Tough to sell a cookie when there's all sorts of free cookie stands on both sides of your cookie stand.

Now -- adapt or die.

leg4 · 02-22-2011, 06:20 PM

No offense taken guys...I'm just enjoying reading a real conversation about business instead of just bullshit threadss.

tabasco · 02-22-2011, 06:25 PM

They don't call anymore in case the webmaster asks for his money

leg4 · 02-22-2011, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabasco

They don't call anymore in case the webmaster asks for his money

Lulz! Nice.

woj · 02-22-2011, 06:28 PM

pics or it didn't happen...

leg4 · 02-23-2011, 06:10 PM

Thanks to everyone that participated in this thread.

TCLGirls · 02-23-2011, 09:22 PM

LOL what was the point of mentioning that you banged the affiliate rep? Looking for more similar hookups?

martinsc · 02-23-2011, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

LOL what was the point of mentioning that you banged the affiliate rep? Looking for more similar hookups?

seeric · 02-23-2011, 11:08 PM

i do not want anyone calling me. ever. i'm in the internet business. internet contact is convenient and i'm contacted when i want it to be convenient. my two cents.

DBS.US · 02-23-2011, 11:20 PM

I would like them to call me in the mornings and ask me what time I'm going to start sending them some real traffic

leg4 · 02-24-2011, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

LOL what was the point of mentioning that you banged the affiliate rep? Looking for more similar hookups?

Absolutely...I am lonely and was hoping to make a Sexy time.

blackout · 02-24-2011, 05:07 AM

Calls are a bit overboard, I remember getting a call back in 2004 myself. Threw me off, had a decent convo, somewhat productive I suppose. But definately better to use ICQ or AIM or the like.

That being said, I think sponsors used to make a lot more effort with their affiliates also. I used to sign up to programs and get adds on ICQ soon thereafter. Most sponsors are doing pretty well at providing all the tools needed for success, without helping much on the marketing strategy. Different sites/niches have better luck with certain campaigns, or am I incorrect? Would definately help out in my opinion to get a little guidance now and then. It benefits both parties in the end.

I'm just an affiliate and a hobbyist though.
I'll gf-myself :-)

DWB · 02-24-2011, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billywatson

Adapt or die.

Tough to sell a cookie when there's all sorts of free cookie stands on both sides of your cookie stand.

Now -- adapt or die.

I may be adapting wrong, but I'm eating all the free cookies I can get my hands on.

Jerry's Intensity · 02-24-2011, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leg4

I did land up fucking that rep at the next Vegas convention. But that's not important right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leg4

.I'm just enjoying reading a real conversation about business instead of just bullshit threadss.

alexchechs · 02-24-2011, 09:43 AM

I wont make a phone call but am definitely sure to contact via ICQ and email to see what I can do to make the affiliate's job easier. And if you are an affiliate and come to NYC you can always call me up for a drink.

I think there just has to be a lien where you get involved but not over involved.

Roald · 02-24-2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I'm with will76. If an affiliate rep actually called me on the phone I'd be pissed.

same here

Nicky · 02-24-2011, 10:47 AM

You have to have some feeling when dealing with these sort of things. That's all I'm gonna say.

kristin · 02-24-2011, 11:41 AM

With EvilGeniusCash, we had people call us before and it annoyed the crap out of us.

At TopBucks once, they had the reps call regarding our leased feeds, that didn't go over well. We never tried it on affiliates.

docputer · 02-24-2011, 12:02 PM

It seems to be more common in mainstream. I don't think I have ever had an adult sponsor call me, but with mainstream, I have had reps call either during the approval process, or to chat to let me know I was approved and ask if I need anything.

PR_Glen · 02-24-2011, 12:26 PM

we are pretty much hated already, i can't imagine what it would be like if I started calling up members hehe

but seriously, i think calling people up randomly is pretty inappropriate. I'm not even a fan of hitting people up randomly on icq. If i recently spoke with a webmaster with a question about a topic and i hear news of something new we are working on i may hit them up occasionally but even then I am pretty cautious not to be bugging our webmasters.

who wants to sell a salesman anyway right?

hit us up and I can talk shop all day, that's what i do!

_Richard_ · 02-24-2011, 12:38 PM

did it once to weed out fraud, difficult.

thanks for the feed back!

leg4 · 03-06-2011, 02:45 AM

Thanks to everyone that put in some very thought out input.

Grassy-ass

signupdamnit · 03-06-2011, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

we are pretty much hated already, i can't imagine what it would be like if I started calling up members hehe

but seriously, i think calling people up randomly is pretty inappropriate. I'm not even a fan of hitting people up randomly on icq. If i recently spoke with a webmaster with a question about a topic and i hear news of something new we are working on i may hit them up occasionally but even then I am pretty cautious not to be bugging our webmasters.

who wants to sell a salesman anyway right?

hit us up and I can talk shop all day, that's what i do!

I'm not too keen on being bothered all the time either. Those of us who push many programs would get annoyed if suddenly nearly every program started calling us regularly on the phone just to chat. Imagine 500 sponsors calling once a week!

I don't mind an email every now and then but don't be offended if I don't reply unless you are demanding it or it's important. It's great to see reps who care and ask every once in a while if there is anything I need though. It also shows that the program is still alive. However, keep it balanced and don't over do it.

DWB · 03-06-2011, 10:46 AM

If a rep called me, I'd try to have phone sex with them.

RyuLion · 03-06-2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I'm with will76. If an affiliate rep actually called me on the phone I'd be pissed.

Vendzilla · 03-06-2011, 10:56 AM

Communication is important. Can't tell you how many emails I've sent to affiliate reps that took a couple days to get back or were not answered at all. Now that most of us are doing their email on their phones there is no excuse for that

FlexxAeon · 03-06-2011, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

No offense, but if you need a rep to give you motivation to try to work harder and make more money then you in the wrong business. If you can't motivate yourself to make more money on your own then you need to go work for someone else and collect a check each week.

I want the reps to stay out of my way and leave me alone. On the rare occasion I need them to check if a payment is sent or whatever I will hit them up.

I don't give a fuck if the company cares or not. Just pay me on time and up hold your end of the bargain.

It's 2011, I'm not worried about gifts, pat on the back, drinks, calls to tell me good job.... I'm worried about assholes changing their TOS, deciding not to pay people, going out of business, shaving, scamming, etc... If they can just stick to keeping their end of the deal, that is all the love I need them to show me. ...

all of this. if i have an issue, i'll hit em up. if they have an issue or something 'special', feel free to hit me up.

on top of that.... the OTHER issue is that these days programs are expanding into being their own affiliates. so they are their own top priority when it comes to generating & maintaining traffic

CaptainHowdy · 03-06-2011, 11:06 AM

All your suggestions sure show that you're an "old school" webmaster ...

INever · 03-06-2011, 12:52 PM

Fucking your rep.

Markul · 03-09-2011, 12:36 PM

My phone rings a lot during the day and since I'm in Europe, I'd be pretty upset to get calls in the evening / at night from random sponsors.

E-mail, ICQ. Don't fucking call me unless you want to let me know you just wired a shitload of money and wanted to make sure I got it

Also OP: If you feel need something, just contact the sponsor on ICQ. Works for me and most rep's I've worked with have been friendly and helpful (thanks!).

PStarks · 03-09-2011, 12:47 PM

I hope 80% of the people out there go into a depression spiral of pills from not getting calls by a rep and quit the biz... BEST DAY EVER!

More traffic for me

WiredGuy · 03-09-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I'm with will76. If an affiliate rep actually called me on the phone I'd be pissed.

Same here. I'm not a needy webmaster, I know how to send traffic and don't need to be catered to. In fact, calling me would likely mean me going to someone else.

-- "Don't call us, we'll call you"
WG

Jayvis · 03-09-2011, 01:56 PM

I talk to affiliates on the phone quite a bit.

Some prefer talking on ICQ, some Skype, some email and some just want to be able to text/call you.

The Heron · 03-09-2011, 02:34 PM

I just got a call from a more mainstream rep today after signup yesterday. Honestly it doesn't help me sell any better and mostly annoys me when they call. We work online, an email is much preferred.

mailman · 03-10-2011, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

same here

Don't worry, I don't know how to dial international!

12clicks · 03-10-2011, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leg4

Serious Business Suggestion for Affiliate Programs in 2011

Around 2001-2002, I joined an affiliate program (can NOT remember which one)

there's no need for me to read the rest of the post or thread.

I did chuckle though.

02-22-2011, 12:58 AM	#1
leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	Serious Business Suggestion for Affiliate Programs in 2011 Serious Business Suggestion for Affiliate Programs in 2011 Around 2001-2002, I joined an affiliate program (can NOT remember which one) I was assigned an affiliate rep that actually went out of her way to call me. I thought this was the neatest/coolest thing ever... No other Affiliate program gave a shit at that time about reps...Everyone was making money, We are all partying like Rockstars. Basically just calling to check on me and see if I needed anything or whatever... Mostly just to say hey "We're human, and we recognize you are too" I did land up fucking that rep at the next Vegas convention. But that's not important right now. But, even if they had assigned me a guy... I would have loved that they followed up and called me from time to time. (I would have not fucked him) Affiliates are jumping ship/quitting the biz because we're trying all kinds of shit and its not working. If you guys had someone that called us to show you cared, we may actually try harder for you. Just an idea- And I would love to see what you guys think of this idea? Would this help you as an Affiliate trying to find the right company to promote????? __________________ >>> Contact me here email me here

02-22-2011, 01:11 AM	#3
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02-22-2011, 01:16 AM	#5
plsureking bored Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Metaverse Posts: 4,675	ya i've done work for a lot of sponsors in the last decade. the ones that have any awareness of their affiliate program at all don't think its worth spending that much effort, money and time on a group of salespeople who are already earning 50% or more of each sale. not saying thats right, but its definitely the typical view of a sponsor. i dont care how bad sales get, calling affiliates on the phone is never going to be the norm. keep dreaming lol __________________ #

02-22-2011, 02:02 AM	#6
gaffg Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Online Posts: 717	If you want phone calls from affiliate managers signup to casino affiliate programs. You might even get calls while you are sleeping depending on your time zone. __________________ http://gaffg.com/affiliate-programs/ Find all gambling affiliate programs based on categories: casino, poker, sportsbetting, bingo, mobile. Find forex and binary options affiliate programs. Listed by revenue share, CPA and sub affiliate commission.

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02-22-2011, 01:05 AM	#2
carzygirls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 857	stfu... chill, learn, respect, do better in future

02-22-2011, 02:05 AM	#7
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,034	I'm with will76. If an affiliate rep actually called me on the phone I'd be pissed.

02-22-2011, 03:17 AM	#9
sojproductions Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,160	I can see the argument for both sides of the coin, but as a program owner i'd rather my team spent time on generating new tools, updating, customer service and so on making sure the end product is as good as it can be, quality should be obvious to the affiliate as he probably wouldn't have signed up in the first place. __________________ ICQ: 404-159-022 Blue Pixels Profits - Uk Solo Tranny sites & Crossdressing! Filthy Profits - Uk MILF Solo Sites

02-22-2011, 07:50 AM	#10
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	The problem with calling affiliates is that there are still so many part timers whose family might not know what they are doing. Personal attention is great, but phone calls in this biz are a little excessive. ICQ/skype/email contact is more standard and accepted. __________________ Sharky

02-22-2011, 02:42 PM	#11
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	Affiliate programs should consider having a check box that says something like "I would like to receive periodic calls from a representative".

02-22-2011, 06:20 PM	#13
leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	No offense taken guys...I'm just enjoying reading a real conversation about business instead of just bullshit threadss. __________________ >>> Contact me here email me here

02-22-2011, 06:25 PM	#14
tabasco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 2,624	They don't call anymore in case the webmaster asks for his money __________________ "There is no other way to see a thing except to look at it" - fatfoo

02-22-2011, 06:28 PM	#16
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	pics or it didn't happen... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

02-23-2011, 06:10 PM	#17
leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	Thanks to everyone that participated in this thread. __________________ >>> Contact me here email me here

02-23-2011, 09:22 PM	#18
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	LOL what was the point of mentioning that you banged the affiliate rep? Looking for more similar hookups?

02-23-2011, 11:08 PM	#20
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	i do not want anyone calling me. ever. i'm in the internet business. internet contact is convenient and i'm contacted when i want it to be convenient. my two cents.

02-23-2011, 11:20 PM	#21
DBS.US Geo Cities Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Captiva Island, Florida USA Posts: 11,830	I would like them to call me in the mornings and ask me what time I'm going to start sending them some real traffic __________________ Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site in 34 minutes and be making money tonight

02-24-2011, 05:07 AM	#23
blackout Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: From Orlando, Stationed in Hawaii Posts: 615	Calls are a bit overboard, I remember getting a call back in 2004 myself. Threw me off, had a decent convo, somewhat productive I suppose. But definately better to use ICQ or AIM or the like. That being said, I think sponsors used to make a lot more effort with their affiliates also. I used to sign up to programs and get adds on ICQ soon thereafter. Most sponsors are doing pretty well at providing all the tools needed for success, without helping much on the marketing strategy. Different sites/niches have better luck with certain campaigns, or am I incorrect? Would definately help out in my opinion to get a little guidance now and then. It benefits both parties in the end. I'm just an affiliate and a hobbyist though. I'll gf-myself :-) __________________ ICQ: 42777193

02-24-2011, 09:43 AM	#26
alexchechs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: BROOKLYN!!! Posts: 3,474	I wont make a phone call but am definitely sure to contact via ICQ and email to see what I can do to make the affiliate's job easier. And if you are an affiliate and come to NYC you can always call me up for a drink. I think there just has to be a lien where you get involved but not over involved. __________________ Alex Chechs http://thefawnconspiracy.com

02-24-2011, 10:47 AM	#28
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	You have to have some feeling when dealing with these sort of things. That's all I'm gonna say. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

02-24-2011, 11:41 AM	#29
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	With EvilGeniusCash, we had people call us before and it annoyed the crap out of us. At TopBucks once, they had the reps call regarding our leased feeds, that didn't go over well. We never tried it on affiliates. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

02-24-2011, 12:02 PM	#30
docputer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,103	It seems to be more common in mainstream. I don't think I have ever had an adult sponsor call me, but with mainstream, I have had reps call either during the approval process, or to chat to let me know I was approved and ask if I need anything.

02-24-2011, 12:26 PM	#31
PR_Glen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,058	we are pretty much hated already, i can't imagine what it would be like if I started calling up members hehe but seriously, i think calling people up randomly is pretty inappropriate. I'm not even a fan of hitting people up randomly on icq. If i recently spoke with a webmaster with a question about a topic and i hear news of something new we are working on i may hit them up occasionally but even then I am pretty cautious not to be bugging our webmasters. who wants to sell a salesman anyway right? hit us up and I can talk shop all day, that's what i do! __________________ webmaster at pimproll dot com

02-24-2011, 12:38 PM	#32
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,985	did it once to weed out fraud, difficult. thanks for the feed back!

03-06-2011, 02:45 AM	#33
leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	Thanks to everyone that put in some very thought out input. Grassy-ass __________________ >>> Contact me here email me here

03-06-2011, 10:46 AM	#35
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	If a rep called me, I'd try to have phone sex with them.

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Communication is important. Can't tell you how many emails I've sent to affiliate reps that took a couple days to get back or were not answered at all. Now that most of us are doing their email on their phones there is no excuse for that __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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03-09-2011, 12:36 PM	#41
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,401	My phone rings a lot during the day and since I'm in Europe, I'd be pretty upset to get calls in the evening / at night from random sponsors. E-mail, ICQ. Don't fucking call me unless you want to let me know you just wired a shitload of money and wanted to make sure I got it Also OP: If you feel need something, just contact the sponsor on ICQ. Works for me and most rep's I've worked with have been friendly and helpful (thanks!).

03-09-2011, 12:47 PM	#42
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03-09-2011, 01:56 PM	#44
Jayvis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 5,427	I talk to affiliates on the phone quite a bit. Some prefer talking on ICQ, some Skype, some email and some just want to be able to text/call you.

03-09-2011, 02:34 PM	#45
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	I just got a call from a more mainstream rep today after signup yesterday. Honestly it doesn't help me sell any better and mostly annoys me when they call. We work online, an email is much preferred.