dyna mo

first, there's no such thing as karma but to apply it in regards to the current disaster is beyond .

Chris

It's just people who are looking for a reason to justify the things they say.

It could happen to anyone at anytime ... karma or no karma

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I think it's idiotic to even acknowlege that kind of crap.

I also think it's hilarious that the reddit douches are complaining about FACEBOOK comments about Japan somehow deserving it, etc.

I mean, why the fuck would you have Facebook friends who would say shit like that? Especially if you think they are idiots?

Remove the idiots, let them discuss it amongst themselves, problem solved.

ottopottomouse

I disagree.

But it isn't something that applies in the case of Japan v Pearl Harbour v Every last brainless idiot that feels the need to jump on a bandwagon.

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dyna mo

i should of left that part out huh.

karma!

seeandsee

karma is real bitch, and makes some people to pull links

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I do think karma exists in the way of if you go round being an arse to people it will come back and bite you later.

Pearl Harbour was during a war and the people responsible and the pilots (a lot of whom wern't volunteers) are dead. Karma can't really come back and bite the dead and Hiroshima/Nagasaki would be the return x100, not a random act of nature to a later generation of people.

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dyna mo

i tend to agree. it also does not apply in personal situations. karma ain't gonna get joey for fooling around on suzy.

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CaptainHowdy

The most disastrous thing in itself it's the vulgarization of the concept of "karma" ...

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In a way Karma is basically "you reap what you sow". If you fool around on your wife eventually you will be caught. If you cheat at your job - soon it will be found out. If you do drugs eventually it will affect you. Karma to me is the outcome or results of your actions.

I do agree that it is extremely tasteless to assume natural disasters is natures or God's way of acting out vengeance on a people. Shit happens to every country eventually and in this case with Japan - there is no reason other than natural disaster. I get tired as well with peoples or religion reading into something that isn't there.

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the point is that terrible things happen in this world and people pick and choose who to feel sorry for...

innocent people die everyday and while some of those tragedies are preventable, most are not..

what bothers me is that things that are preventable, like africa, starving children, and genocide barely gets noticed by people..

the same people that act like they have such big hearts when something happens like this is japan, or haiti, or thailand..

its hypocritical to me and therefore it deserves to be mocked...









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dyna mo

i wouldn't try and talk you out of your view, but i think people feel for what the feel. i know this tragedy reminds me a lot of how i felt on 9/11. do i feel this way about libya, orchestrated mass murders in africa, no. not sure how i can change that, but i don't find it to be hypocritical.

Bladewire

Relativity and quantum mechanics prove this statement to be false.

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i DO believe in Karma... but not to blame japanese peeps... in life it applies on everything.. if you're a good person you get a good treatment... thats totally proven.. doesnt pay to be an asshole in life

borked

oh fucking hell man - how can you bring this shit on really?

Genocide - it's every country for himself in going against this - not a single person on the street can force their govt to act on other countries actions - that is a world political stage that we have no say in.

Starving Africans will always starve since it is only through periodic public awareness does the money come in to help that - you can't help drought-stricken places 100% of the time since it's fighting against nature.

Disasters happen, shit that is why you, the US had the support you had to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.... now those supporting countries are doubting their actions big time. This too could have been prevented (9/11 and the ensuing cluster fuck).

It would be nice to live in a perfect world, but one thing we are ALL at the mercy of is mother nature.... nuclear power being a man-made problem, ok, but hell, we all consume electricity right.... and carbon fuel is going to run out right.... so we're all to blame right? Or are you part of the crowd that says - fuck nuclear, burn coal....?

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dyna mo

there are a bazillion places where this has not been applied though.

are you saying you've proven karma via relativity and qm or you've read that relativity and qm prove karma? also, is there a real world example backing thisup?

blackmonsters

It's extremely bad karma to make a thread about karma.

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blackmonsters

OK, but what about this true story :

I asked a girl out on a date and she was excited about going until I told her
we were going in a truck. She declined the date saying "I ain't riding in no truck".
She then went the next fews years without anyone asking her out for a date
and died in a car wreck.

Car wreck! Not a truck!

Was that karma?

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dyna mo

you are confusing truckma with karma.

blackmonsters

Well maybe, but if so then I wish SUVma on the next bitch.

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dyna mo

now i have seen SUVma play out on television. it's not pretty but at least i can visually validate it.

spazlabz

I am a bit embarrassed to admit it but I believe in Karma but on a more personal level. I tend to take it seriously. But yeah if someone is saying this happened in Japan because of karma they should not be taken seriously, if Karma paid them back it was at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Karma is a mindset, not an existing force. On an individual level our reality is shaped by our own perception. If you brew negative energy in yourself, negative shit is going to happen in your reality. If you focus on pushing through with a positive energy, more good will come of it. Basically if you act like a dick, and do a bunch of dick shit, you're going to get dicked back eventually. Living every moment as a saint doesn't ensure you're going to float through life unscathed though...

dyna mo

this is close to how i've tried to sort out the concept.

for instance, the girl who always fucks around on guys and goes through life just hunky dory. why? because in her mind, she wasn't doing anything wrong/negative.

as opposed to the person who fooled around once, it was a mistake for them, and their own conscious guided them into later making decisions in that mindsight that proved to have consequences.

Bladewire

I'm saying that relativity and quantum mechanics prove that karma exists.

Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem.

Newtons law and Special Relativity are a good place to start if you are new to physics.

It's the area of physics that makes the gyroscope in the IPhone 4 possible and scientifically proves that karma does exist.



This is all but a moot point regardless as you refer to karma as not existing based on your beliefs, and we all know how arguments pitting science against beliefs turn out

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Kinda like bread always falling butter side down... bad voodoo always at work there

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dyna mo

i can only claim to understand qm in light of my cellphone working and being told that is a result of qm. i have to believe that. are you telling me you understand special relativity and quantum mechanics well-enough that you can understand their application to karma?

because if you do not have a phd level of understanding qm and factual *johnny got run over for what he said to sally* example(s), then you are relying on your belief in science. not actual understanding of the science.

Bladewire

Look around the room you are in. The minds of others created everything that exists in your room, including your computer that you use to communicate to me with. The mind is a force. Karma is a force. They both shape our reality.

And the perceptions of others. If others perceive you to be a danger to them, you will be in jail, whether your mind perceives you to be a danger to others or not. When you are in jail, if you perceive it to be Mars, it will still be jail, regardless of your perception.

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Whether you believe in quantum mechanics or not, your Iphone 4 will still utilize the technology based on those laws of physics. Whether you believe in karma or not, it is still a force of physics on your life. If you can prove that karma doesn't exist I'd like to see that proof.

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Fuck knows what the latin says but I presume you're referring to "to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

OK, I can guess from the latin that is what you are referring to, but I also guessed it from your first sentence...

So go on, explain to us humble thick heads how that proves karma exists....
my son made a racist remark tonight and I'm sure somewhere in the world a black guy shot a white guy. That is an example of an equal and opposite reaction in your terms*, not karma... which would be my son being <insert something bad> because of his remarks. In either case, they are not laws of physics....


* edit - ok, not equal and opposite, but ok some black guy called a white guy a honky or something - you get my point....

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Bladewire

Right I said that relativity and quantum mechanics prove that karma exists. Newtons law is part of that, another is Special Relativity.

I don't think you're a thick head. You don't seem like that to me.

The earth and moon have good karma. Without one, the other would cease to exist as we know it. I say good karma because they say that life on earth would not exist without the moon.

Put one sighted man who can hear in a jail cell with 4 blind men, 3 def men, and a girl who cannot see or hear. You cannot tell me there will not be an abundance of karma in that room, or that major karmic forces didn't put those individuals in that situation to begin with.

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dyna mo

sure, i simply can't point to one single event i've seen or even heard of where i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a direct consequence based on nature's moral code.

another example- borders. karma takes into account national borders? because it better. what's illegal here in america (and considered atrocious by some) is very legal across the border and condoned & accepted practice.


the bottomline is you are asking me to prove a negative and there's no logic in that. even so.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

Karma exists as a force about as much as God does. Go tell starving children dying of AIDS in Africa that karma exists. Those little niglets must be some evil, no-good doing motherfuckers over there. Fact is, shit just happens. No amount of do-gooding is going to change the fact that tomorrow you might get hit by a fucking a truck. Terrible, evil, self-centered, greedy ass people can go through life and never see anything but profit and happiness. Karma ain't doing shit to them.


By living a happy life, and not doing evil shit, you can limit the amount of negative things that will come back upon you. That is not the divine hand of karmatic forces propelling you through life. That is shit just happening...

chaze

Oh there is Karma, I am sure of this. It's just not the way you think it is.

Bladewire

That statement is actually an argumentum ad ignorantiam and is a known logical formal fallacy.

There are three common logical methods used in science to prove a negative:

1) Evidence of absence

2) Proof of impossibility

and

3) Modus tollens

Just pick one of the three methods above and prove that karma doesn't exist.

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I'm not falling for that argumentum ad misericordiam, but nice try

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I'm not sure about Karma as defined by Buddhists and Hindus... I do know that "you reap what you sow" is true. Personally. However, to apply it in a mass scale to the tsunami/earthquake victims in Japan is a bit ham-fisted and I wouldn't go that far.

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What argument? The reasonable one? Seriously, karma as most people define it, is a crock of shit. Sorry, but I dunno how you msanaged to convince yourself via science that doing bad shit brings bad shit to you, and doing good shit brings good shit to you. I could sit here all fucking day and provide perfectly good examples of good people getting fucked, and bad people living perfectly happy. Where's your retort? Oh ya, there isn't one. There's no attempt to appeal to your pity here, just common sense, which you have apparently lost all sense of...

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If you don't know or don't understand somehing, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

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I suppose Karma is comforting thing to believe in.
But if there is Karma it applies to individuals and not nations.
There are good people and bad people in every nation.

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Thread closed ...

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dyna mo

as i alluded to earlier, the proof i have is life. there simply is not one single instance of karma i can point to. not one instance in the news, wiki, science article, research lab, any where i have looked or inquired.

but i am open, so please, point out a karmic event. if it can be explained just like a cell phone, then a karmic event should be as easily to refer to as pointing to a cell phone.

dyna mo

the implication being you know and understand karma right? so please, point me to a karmic event i can see.

dyna mo

see, karma is a word to describe things that people deep down realize they have absolutely zero control over.

when do you hear people talk about/bring in karma? typically when they are slighted or wronged and have no recourse so "karma's gonna get" the wrong doer.

or it's used in past tense to explain events that are overwhelming to some, karma got japan for pearl harbor.


but the simple fact of the matter is karma is a manmade concept. mother nature is an ugly thing and far from fair. it's survival of the fittest in nature- period. no universal nature-based moral code is in effect.