MrPopup

Dove or Hawk, this is the best article you'll read on the current Iraqi crisis.

My favorite part?..."Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: ?Peace is also Patriotic?. It was gone by the time he?d finished shopping."

Give peace a chance folks...it works sometimes...



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The United States of America has gone mad
John le Carré

America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.
The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world?s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer?s pocket? At what cost ? because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people ? in Iraqi lives?

How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America?s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.

Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because I?m dead against Bush, but I would love to see Saddam?s downfall ? just not on Bush?s terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America?s Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist.

God also has pretty scary connections. In America, where all men are equal in His sight, if not in one another?s, the Bush family numbers one President, one ex-President, one ex-head of the CIA, the Governor of Florida and the ex-Governor of Texas.

Care for a few pointers? George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on. But none of these trifling associations affects the integrity of God?s work.

In 1993, while ex-President George Bush was visiting the ever-democratic Kingdom of Kuwait to receive thanks for liberating them, somebody tried to kill him. The CIA believes that ?somebody? was Saddam. Hence Bush Jr?s cry: ?That man tried to kill my Daddy.? But it?s still not personal, this war. It?s still necessary. It?s still God?s work. It?s still about bringing freedom and democracy to oppressed Iraqi people.

To be a member of the team you must also believe in Absolute Good and Absolute Evil, and Bush, with a lot of help from his friends, family and God, is there to tell us which is which. What Bush won?t tell us is the truth about why we?re going to war. What is at stake is not an Axis of Evil ? but oil, money and people?s lives. Saddam?s misfortune is to sit on the second biggest oilfield in the world. Bush wants it, and who helps him get it will receive a piece of the cake. And who doesn?t, won?t.

If Saddam didn?t have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart?s content. Other leaders do it every day ? think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt.

Baghdad represents no clear and present danger to its neighbours, and none to the US or Britain. Saddam?s weapons of mass destruction, if he?s still got them, will be peanuts by comparison with the stuff Israel or America could hurl at him at five minutes? notice. What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is America?s need to demonstrate its military power to all of us ? to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.

The most charitable interpretation of Tony Blair?s part in all this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He can?t. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he can?t get out.

It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of Britain?s opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But that?s Britain?s tragedy, as it is America?s: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. Blair?s best chance of personal survival must be that, at the eleventh hour, world protest and an improbably emboldened UN will force Bush to put his gun back in his holster unfired. But what happens when the world?s greatest cowboy rides back into town without a tyrant?s head to wave at the boys?

Blair?s worst chance is that, with or without the UN, he will drag us into a war that, if the will to negotiate energetically had ever been there, could have been avoided; a war that has been no more democratically debated in Britain than it has in America or at the UN. By doing so, Blair will have set back our relations with Europe and the Middle East for decades to come. He will have helped to provoke unforeseeable retaliation, great domestic unrest, and regional chaos in the Middle East. Welcome to the party of the ethical foreign policy.

There is a middle way, but it?s a tough one: Bush dives in without UN approval and Blair stays on the bank. Goodbye to the special relationship.

I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefect?s sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he can?t explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.

?But will we win, Daddy??

?Of course, child. It will all be over while you?re still in bed.?

?Why??

?Because otherwise Mr Bush?s voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him.?

?But will people be killed, Daddy??

?Nobody you know, darling. Just foreign people.?

?Can I watch it on television??

?Only if Mr Bush says you can.?

?And afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more??

?Hush child, and go to sleep.?

Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: ?Peace is also Patriotic?. It was gone by the time he?d finished shopping.

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Tex Willer

"Dove or Hawk..."

i'd never call a hawk any piece of shit politician that has never worn the combat boots

any country, any nation

Theo

MrPopup i have to admit you are the best news source. I rarely check news site,read newspapers or watch tv.....GFY provides everything in real time

Zebra

I think Bush is going to have to attack soon if he wants to have the public behind him. The American public usually acts like a herd of sheep but if a few of the sheep are spooked then the herd can change direction quickly.

I have to agree with John le Carré's point that "deflecting America?s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history".

Sadaam had little to do with 9/11 compared to Osama. We are going after Sadaam because Bush needs a head on a stick and Sadaam is a lot easier to find than Osama plus the benefits of taking out the man in control of the world's second largest oil-field will be a lot more lucrative for the US than just killing a terrorist mastermind.

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brocklander

All you pro-peace dumbshits:

If a crazy guy with a gun was threatening to come into your house and skull fuck your mom, sister, and daughter, would you sit there and watch, or try to prevent it?

And what if the skull-fucker had a friend who was willing to help him?

Again, you peace morons would just sit there. Fuck that, I will try to prevent any harm that comes to me or my family, even if the possibility of them doing so is less than one million trillionth gazillion of a percent.


Funny that President Johnson's famous Daisy ad portrays a girl picking daisys, then gets blown to bits by a nuclear bomb. Problem is, that bomb could be the result of not doing anything about it.

I'd prefer to take the matches away from the child.

12clicks

imagine mr popup in his apartment. imagine what goes on in his head that not only does he have the time to search this shit out, but also the capacity to believe it.

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rdunn404

Please convince me with provable facts that Saddam wants to 'come in our house' as you say and attack America.....I'm waiting.....

Theo

i breath oilllllllllllll

Zebra

brocklander - How much military experience do you have? How much time have you spent in the Middle East? Ever seen your friends killed by Muslim Extremists? I have. I've seen how fucked up those in the Middle East are. They don't think like us, they don't act like us, and they certainly don't like us. Doesn't change the fact that the "war" against al-queda and Osama is for one reason and the coming war against Sadaam is for another totally different reason.

Who is a bigger threat? Osama and al-queda, the people who carried out 9/11 and who the FBI recently said has now re-organized to the level it was at the time of 9/11, or Saddam who hasn't done jackshit lately except shoot at our planes patrolling the no-fly zone ( a routine that has been going on for almost 8 years). Sure Saddam is a bad guy, I don't think anyone will deny that fact, but there are a lot more evil people out there that are running free and planning shit for the future. That is who we should be concentrating on.

Bush's war on Saddam and Iraq is about one thing. Oil. If you don't believe that you really have your head in the sand.
Remember this saying from Dune? "He who controls the spice controls the universe". Imagine Iraq is Dune and the oil is the spice.

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jhen

I am astonished at how American people can actually come to the aid OF Saddam Hussein. Do you really think that with your information from the ticker of Headline News in between commercials that you really think this is just an Ex-presidents son trying to settle a score.

Keep talking out of your ass America. Spend more time worrying about the war that could take one of the biggest global threats since Hitler out of power. The only thing that i ask of any person is to do your research before you start trying to save the world from the brink of war.

Stop Barbars Steisanding your way into being political. Just becase someone at the Golden Globes said that "War is Dumb" or something as equally profound does not mean you should start repeating it like an Amway sales montra.

War is terrible people it is not anything anybody wants to experience. it is at times a necesary tool to keep crazy murdering dictators from spreading the horror out of its own borders.

Lets pack up and bring everyone back. Lets say we are sorry with an embarrassing nod and fade into the horizon singing fucking KUMBAYA and looking at pretty rainbows. Lets just let this murdering psycho continue down this path and we will just sit back and just say ".....you know that kooky Saddam needs to settle down one of these days"

Yeah that sounds like a winner.....you people are so quick to lable our own nation as the problem well i task you with this.....what is your solution........should we see what Babs would do......better yet lets call Al Gore and see what he thinks.....maybe we should break out the big gun and send Sean Penn back over there to straighten out that kooky Saddam.

Start reading on what is happening over there folks stop getting your information in 30 second sound bites fromt he cast of Will and Grace from the Red Carpet........

Support our troops and hope we do not have to go to war. If we do remeber what side you are on. Those Men and Women are fighting for you and your right to make a living and have an oposing point of view but never forget that the Hussein Regime would like nothing more than to see your home be set afire and watch you and your family parish in the flames.....not the team i want to root for.

Semper Fi!

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MrPopup

I'm on the side of peace.

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Phoenix

People believe anything...dress up someone that looks respectable give him a lab coat and a pocket protector, dont forget the glasses!!! and he could probably convince the general public that the sun would rise at midnight.

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MrPopup

Me and a friend used to dress up like construction workers and go into the local mall and start measuring spaces within the stores. The looks of panic on the clerks was something that has been burned on my mind for all time...

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LiveDose

Start dropping the bombs already... When the French are against you, you know you are on the right path...

That desert bitch tried to assasinate one of our former presidents... We don't owe him anymore time...

It is also time for the US government to start rethinking which countries we help around the globe. The American Tax payers deserve better!

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jhen

I'm on the side of peace.



....and just how do you plan to achieve this goal.....maybe you could ask him.

Mr. Hussein....we would like to have peace....can you please stop murdering and building weapons that will kill people with chemmicals..... I want you to be happy Saddam no one like a Mr. Frown face.

WE ARE ALL FOR PEACE BUT HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE IT WITH THIS ASSHOLE READY TO LEVEL ISRAEL ANY MINUTE HUH???? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?????

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How would you like One Wilshire behind your business

p00p

12clicks

you rail against brocklander and then you make his point for him.
you've got a despot who can fuck with the worlds oil supply. (look what he did to kuwait on his way out)
OIL is arguable the most important thing to national security.
If the president wants to rid the world of an evil guy who can fuck up the oil supply, I'm all for it.

you just have to remember that there will always be misguided doves in this world. they live because the hawks let them. As long as the hawks don't fall for their dopey peace talk, the doves will continue to live.

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theking

John le Carré is full of mis-information and dead head thinking.

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Zebra

I'm not against war, but I think Bush has his priorities mixed up. He got fucked in Afghanistan just like the Soviets did and like we did in Vietnam. We were fighting a guerilla war and depsite how great our military is we do not fare well against guerilla warfare. No large army can. Bush couldn't put Osama's head on a stick so he wants to use Saddam's instead. If there is a credible threat to the US by Iraq then why has Bush not put this evidence on public display? Don't use the "sensitive intelligence" excuse because it doesn't work. If he had the proof we would know about it. He is hoping to cloud the reasons and get his war and put Saddam's head on a stick. I totally agree that Saddam is a menace and needs to be stopped, but all out war to remove one man? Without Saddam Iraq will fall. Basically all the experts agree on that fact. I don't have the answer how to remove him, but an all out modern war isn't the answer. Bush wants 250k soldiers to fight against Iraq. Why didn't he want that many to fight Osama after he attacked the US directly? Osama's head didn't come with the Oil?

I'm with those of you that think the majority of Muslim's are the enemy. The Western religions may have rules such as "You shall have no other gods before Me." but you don't hear Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson on TV telling America we need to kill every person that believes in Allah. The Muslim clerics teach that if you do not believe in Allah you are an infadel and it is your duty to get rid of those who do not believe. With such contrasting beliefs how can we ever live in peace? Too bad John Lennon never found a magic lamp and got 3 wishes.

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

I'm against war with Iraq until they become a credible threat to us, but if Bush goes to war with them I'll support our troops 100%.

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MrPopup

Can you please tell me how many novels YOU have published?

...and Pathfinders biography DOESNT count

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J-Reel

I don't like war! I don't like Bush! (the president Bush) I don't like american soldiers dying. But do you peace protesters want to let Saddom continue to rule? That is a bigger risk in my opinion. Hell Yeah, I believe Saddom had a hand in the WTC attacks. I also believe he is working on Biological weopons.

Unfortunatly The circumstances have lead us to this point were we have to make a choice. Do we take out saddom, or do we let him continue to rule? Both choices are gambling with peoples lives.





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jammyjenkins

that sounds cool

can't wait

MrPopup

I propose another new rule:

I demand that fuckwit balding middle aged men with no lives but that which they "create" for themselves in the digital world abstain from ever participating in any post that I initiate.

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LiveDose

You really don't know much about history do you?

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12clicks

wow, dude put down the "islamic press" and read about what really happened.

where is that towel head from afghanistan who used to get on TV and tell us all how God will destroy his enemies?
I haven't seen him since the day we started bombing them back to the stone age.


uh, son. we did.

it works for me.

the proof is all around you. you choose not to see it because you have a "special" way of seeing things.
no, I'm sure we'll kill a few thousand followers while we're their.


it didn't take that many. Last I heard, there was no talaban control of afghanistan and no attacks on US soil.

Osama's dead. we'll soon all realize that.

then stop poking good Americans with your stick.

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MrPopup

Gee...truly insightful and inspirational. Ever consider working at the international policymaker level? I'm sure your vast intelligence and grasp of the english language would be welcome there.

Dignity, Wisdom, and Coherence: 1
12clicks: 0

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12clicks

I'm so hurt. you're such a smart guy. its too bad the world doesn't see your genius! really, your wisdom should be exhaulted by all thinking men!
how dare you be so demeaned as to be holed up in some one room apartment in in a canadian 1960's version of a city!
how dare your brilliance be passed over by the rest of the world.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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KRL

If it wasn't for Oil & Gas I wouldn't be here today. It was my first real business venture when I was 26. Its a great business to be in, but even more cutthroat then Porn.

Get the Oil Georgie Boy. Just go get the Oil!

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MrPopup

once again...the 12clicks inferiority complex rears its mangled head.

"Im better then you because i have more money"

"Im better then you because i think you live in an apartment"

Logical Debating: 1
12clicks: 0

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12clicks

prove me wrong and shut me up.

christ, you've given us all such a mental portrait of your nutcase existance I can probably guess your hair color.

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FlyingIguana

what a dumb article. if iraq didn't fuck with kuwait, they could torture their population all they want.

MrPopup

Okay easy. I can offer the world proof of your lunacy if you can answer just one question:

























What reason did your mother give when she chose to fuck the scabby homeless guy rather then her brother? And why didn't she abort you after such a traumatic copulation?

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Zebra

Ron - Are you saying that we beat al-queda? That they are gone? We won? Well shit, then what do we need all this security for?
We didn't win jackshit. We killed a bunch of ragheads and threw some more in prison. See the report on how many of the people we had at Gitmo that it turned out had nothing to do with al-queda? We were shooting at shadows and hoping Osama was in there somewhere. Remember Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban? He is still out there. Besides Osama and Omar how many al-queda terrorists could the American public name at the height of the war last year? The people we killed we grunts. Peasants that were fighting for al-queda so that they could earn a little coin from the local warlords who funded and supported al-queda in their area. We may have killed the weed but the roots are still there, buried deep.

You think that since we have not heard from Osama that he is dead? He could be, but then again, if you were the most wanted man in the world would you want people knowing where you were or would you try to work in the shadows and not reveal yourself until you could present an encore? How do we know that the attacks in Bali, Egypt, Saudi Arabi, Yemen don't have Osama's fingerprints on them somehow. Our intelligence community may be damn good but they are not superhuman. How many years did the Unibomber go free? How long did it take us to find the D.C. Sniper last year? How long did Abu Nidal commit terrorist acts until he was killed last year in Baghdad (under mysterious circumstances )? How long have we tried to catch the person responsible for the Anthrax scare in 2001? Since there have been no more Anthrax attacks are we to assume that the person responsible is dead? Your logic has many holes in it Mr. 12clicks.

Don't think that I see Saddam as a good guy, I don't. I think he would look nice on a morgue slab (or better yet in a box in little pieces). I just happen to think that al-queda is still our main threat. Not just al-queda, but every terrorist group that has people sitting in houses around the world thinking of ways to kill Americans. They can hit us then hide just like Osama. They know we will have a hard time finding them. Saddam on the otherhand knows that if he hits us with anything other than a conventional weapon Iraq WILL be glass. Kinda limits his actions. He may be crazy but he isn't exactly stupid. Of course if he thinks he is cornered he might resort to doing something stupid anyway.

Let's all just hope that one of his people will see the light and put a bullet in Saddam's head and save us a lot of trouble. then we can go back to killing the rest of the Muslim's outside of Iraq

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kenny

No doubt, how can somebody compare one issue with another? It is all completely different, Iraq, N.Korea, Al Queda, etc. And if people would pay attention they would see each matter being taken care off in its own way.

12clicks

awwww, poor baby. did I hurt you that deeply with the truth?

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extreme

To those who think Saddam had anything to do with 9/11, this is what Blair said today.

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Brown Bear

I think Bush should send in the elite forces to capture Saddam alive and then keep him prisoner in a small room and force him to watch the Jerry Springer show for the rest of his life.

What could be more torturous than having to be constantly reminded that you were defeated by a country that for the most part eats at McDonald's, works at Wal-Mart, lives in a trailer, and glorifies Jerry Springer?

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12clicks

Zebra, you're assuming that we can't smack down iraq AND continue hunting down al-queda.
I'm comfortable with believing we can do both.

oh, and if I were Osama fighting the "evil US" we can bet I'd find a way to get myself on tape laughing.

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MrPopup

Next you'll be challenging me to a fistfight.

But Im warningyou...these fists are registered weapons.

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brocklander

Re-read my post. I don't care who the bigger threat is...they are still a threat. If you don't think Sodom is a threat, you're an idiot (whether because of oil or biological weapons, doesn't matter). Look at what he has done to his own people. Does he like us? No. Is he creating something that could potentially devostate us? Yes. Would he use it in a second? Yes.

And all you fucks who says it's about oil...it may very well be. If so, good. My biggest cost in this business is content. I would hate for my electrical bill to supersede it.



Iraq is a 1984 obscure David Lynch movie? I don't get it.

Sassyass

Stick to serving up porn, your head will hurt less.

brocklander

It's called the Gulf War, ever hear of it? You didn't? How about 9/11 -- remember that?

Probono

Wonderful. America has a fundamental choice; isolationist or world cop. We have historically been isolationists pulled into other peoples wars when they were on the short end of the stick and we felt threatened.

More recently we have become economic imperialists and do not like anyone playing in our sandbox without our consent.

With Saddam we could and probably should ignore him until he nucks Israel or Iran or even his arab brothers in Kuwait. If we do we can go in without anyone objecting and deal with him. If Clinton was President we would be discussing cocksucking in the White House instead of the Bushies agenda of Americanizing the world to make it safe for exploitation.

Let's go back to the good old days of Monica and defining what si sex.

12clicks

I haven't challenged you to anything. I've simply pointed out the obvious.

registered with who, clown college?


please, now tell us the story of how not only are you a genius but you were taught how to fight by bruce lee.

locked in a one room apartment really allows the growth of a fertile imagination, doesn't it.

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12clicks

well, I'm off.
its 4:30 and I'm still in the office. (not a good sign)

mrpopup, you should get out of your office too before your head explodes. walk out to the mailbox or something.

see you tomorrow bruce lee.

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goBigtime

..."One in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the WTC"..

Yeah right. Which one? Which two?

If 50% believes that saddam was responsible then where is the 50% support for war?

The SADDEST THING is... this war WILL HAPPEN ---- but not without another major domestic attack to rally support for it.

Zebra

I bet if you polled the America Public and asked if the war with Iraq is because of their involvement with 9/11 a large majority would say YES. There is proof that one (possibly two) of the hijackers had met with Iraqi diplomats during the planning stages but the US's own intelligence says that the hijackers were attempting to gain financial support from Iraq and that they were turned down. Other than that there hasn't been any direct link between Iraq and 9/11. Bush certainly wants people to think that there is a link. It will make selling the war to the world a lot easier. Too bad there are no facts to support it. Not saying Iraq is a bunch of nice people, but they don't have a part in the war on terrorism that was started after 9/11.
Bush is going to look REALLY bad if we are in the middle of a war with Iraq and Osama pops up and kills more Americans on American soil. Al-queda knows the war with Iraq is on it's way. What better time to attack us?

No matter what happens I think it is only going to get worse before it gets better. How long till the first Islamic suicide bomber detonates a bomb in a crowded shopping mall or movie theater in the US? You think that only happens in places like Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? Wait till it happens in Miami or Dallas or Topeka. Then Bush is going to have a lot of explaining to do about why al-queda is still active after we supposedly ended their threat. Every now and then you see something on the news about al-queda still being active but Iraq is the bigger story and it gets all the airtime. I'm afraid people are going to be in for a rude awakening if al-queda attempts another attack. But of course then the media will be all over al-queda again like they were never pushed to the back page.

Pop goes the World...

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Fire

So does that mean that John le Carre is a novelist, that is, one who writes imaginative pieces of fiction?
And you seem to believe every single piece of his fictional essay.

dig420

Right after we go after Saddam for being a bad guy, we're gonna go after all those African dictators who make meals out of their citizens right? And then we're gonna go after the Pakistani government, since they repress their citizens every bit as ruthlessly as Saddam Hussein. Next up are the Saudis, then Russia, then China.

Riiiiiiiight.....

if you think this is about anything other than us wanting to gain and keep control of abundant oil supplies then you're a propaganda victim. We don't go after dictators on human rights grounds, we INSTALL them when it suits our purposes and we back them against their opposition.

It's not American to kill for oil, and it's not American to believe everything your leaders tell you without looking into the situation for yourself.

There's a word for a nationalist political system that puts your own country's financial well-being above all other considerations. It's called Fascism. There's a word for people who believe their nation is greater than all others just because they were born here, and that word is 'Fascist'. Call it what it is. Waving a flag doesn't make you a Patriot and a good citizen, working to make your government accountable and just does.