The GOP Pretends It Doesn't Want To Raise The Debt Ceiling

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Check out this article from September 29, 2008...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_1...28-500803.html

Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt

With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.

It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history.

On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush's watch.

The bailout plan now pending in Congress could add hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt – though President Bush said this morning he expects that over time, "much if not all" of the bailout money "will be paid back."

But the government is taking no chances. Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It'll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.

Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto declined an invitation to comment on the enormous jump in the national debt during Mr. Bush's presidency. He referred me to OMB – the Office of Management and Budget, which tried to make the case that as a percentage of the economy, the national debt is not that big.

In its budget documents in February, OMB estimated that next year's national debt would hit $10.4 trillion – which it said would amount to 69.3 percent of the gross domestic product – the standard measure of the size of the economy.

That's high – but far from an all-time high. After World War II, the national debt soared to over $270 billion – a quaint figure by today's standards. Numerically, it's less than the amount of federal deficit we now run up in a single year. But back in 1946, the Debt amounted to 121.7 percent of the size of the total economy.

By the time Richard Nixon began his second term in 1973, the national debt had grown to $466 billion – though as percentage of GDP, it had fallen to 35.7 percent.

Today, OMB press secretary Corinne Hirsch, renewed the oft-made government argument that reporters should focus on just that part of the national debt that is held by the public – now about $5.6 trillion and not include that portion billed as "intra-governmental holdings" – money the government owes itself – especially the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.

Of course, the government doesn't have that money either. It's been spent.

President Bush made that point himself on April 5, 2005, when he paid a visit to the offices of the Bureau of the Public Debt in Parkersburg, W.Va.

He was shown a white file cabinet with keypad locks on each of its four drawers in which the Social Security Trust Fund is stored. On that day, there was no cash – as he noted in a speech later in the day.

"There is no 'trust fund,' just IOUs that I saw firsthand, that future generations will pay – will pay for either in higher taxes, or reduced benefits, or cuts to other critical government programs," he told an audience at West Virginia University.

The government didn't have the money it owed itself back then – and still doesn't.

A couple of weeks after he took office, President Bush addressed the Republican Congressional Retreat in Williamsburg and declared that his budget "pays down the national debt."

In recent years, President Bush almost never mentions the national debt.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_1...#ixzz1JHUmsF4w

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[pornguy]

Is Bush still in office?

[IllTestYourGirls]

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem."~Barack Obama 2006

[Tom_PM]

Passing the continuation of the bush tax cuts last year added 70 billion to the debt. The deal they just made on discretionary spending was only for 38 billion. End the bush era tax cuts permanently. The GOP chorus of "it's not a tax issue it's a spending issue" is a red herring as usual.

Bring tax levels to pre-bush rates and cut non-discretionary spending and then we'll talk.

Oh, and on-topic, the debt ceiling is always raised. This game is another red herring.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Passing the continuation of the bush tax cuts last year added 70 billion to the debt. The deal they just made on discretionary spending was only for 38 billion. End the bush era tax cuts permanently. The GOP chorus of "it's not a tax issue it's a spending issue" is a red herring as usual.

Bring tax levels to pre-bush rates and cut non-discretionary spending and then we'll talk.

Oh, and on-topic, the debt ceiling is always raised. This game is another red herring.

So you want to give the people who have a SPENDING problem more money and you think that will solve the problem?

[spazlabz]

I do not think that the republicans are pretending it doesnt want to raise the debt ceiling, I honestly believe they dont want it raised. That doesn't change the fact that they and the democrats HAD to have it raised or default on the national debt.

it sucks but unavoidable. I felt it was pretty childish of the representatives who practically held their breath and stomped their feet trying to not raise it

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I do not think that the republicans are pretending it doesnt want to raise the debt ceiling, I honestly believe they dont want it raised. That doesn't change the fact that they and the democrats HAD to have it raised or default on the national debt.

it sucks but unavoidable. I felt it was pretty childish of the representatives who practically held their breath and stomped their feet trying to not raise it

Um no, we do not have to default on our debt. There are ways to pay for it. Just more propaganda.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I do not think that the republicans are pretending it doesnt want to raise the debt ceiling, I honestly believe they dont want it raised. That doesn't change the fact that they and the democrats HAD to have it raised or default on the national debt.

it sucks but unavoidable. I felt it was pretty childish of the representatives who practically held their breath and stomped their feet trying to not raise it

The budget that both sides offered would without question raise the ceiling... neither did anything to even attempt to stop it, they're both a complete joke in this matter.

[fatfoo]

There are very many factors to business, country and increasing debt. The President does have the huge brain to multi task the country's matters.