For Those Who Hate Tubes ...

[kristin]

How many of you tube hating people promote programs with shady xsales, known to bang cards, etc?

I'll use a real-life example. At a show, I spoke to a person who is actively against tubes, comments in most tubes posts, etc. The person tells me that the niched paysite they have still does great, yet their free site sales went to shit and they blame the tubes.

Did anyone ever think that promoting card banging programs is making you lose sales? Who would visit a site again after they joined a paysite and received a bunch of mysterious charges?

Until the tubes directly affected programs, no one cared how billing practices could hurt your site and the industry in general. I've preached this at every seminar I've spoken on, even at this last Phoenix Forum.

[Barefootsies]

You tell em sista.

[Alprazolam]

get down off your soapbox princess. you've no perspective to huck rocks around here.

[NaughtyRob]

Indeed niched sites still do well, they have a solid following.

[- LOL -]

Originally Posted by kristin

Did anyone ever think that promoting card banging programs is making you lose sales?

Which programs? Do be more specific.

[C H R I S]

Wisdom from the mouth of babes.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by - LOL -

Which programs? Do be more specific.

You can do the searches on PornUsers, RipOffReport, etc.

The biggie is the xsales to fake sites. You get a membership to a site that isn't anything and it's a bitch to cancel.

It doesn't surprise me people turn to tubes if they have been ripped off. They get to watch porn and not have a bunch of charges.

[Roald]

yes.

......

[96ukssob]

1) niche and microniche stuff will continue to convert well on pay sites because there is limited content.

2) if your still pushing hardcore or anal sex sites then your an idiot and no shit your not getting sales

3) everything changes over time. TV shows are now available on programs like Hulu or Netflix, as well they are still free on ABC.com. If you want to compete in that space, then you have to have the money to. The small guy is getting pushed out with competition that has deeper pockets.


Believe it or not, the same thing happens in the mainstream affiliate network too. Years ago, a half wit ape could of made an easy $1k/mo with very little effort with some dumpy single page "review" website and some AdWords traffic. Now, all the big players are pushing their sites and driving profits down to where it is being impossible to compete.

Here is my on this... if you want to stay alive in this field, then either have some money to spend or get creative in what you do

[~Ray]

bang bang bang

[- LOL -]

Originally Posted by kristin

It doesn't surprise me people turn to tubes if they have been ripped off. They get to watch porn and not have a bunch of charges.

Yea, because no one would watch tubes if the paysites didn't have any cross sales and were full of HQ content.

You are dumb.

[Sid70]

With all respect. Show us your tits, please.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by - LOL -

Yea, because no one would watch tubes if the paysites didn't have any cross sales and were full of HQ content.

You are dumb.

I didn't say that. I said IF they have been ripped off I could see why they would go to a tube, so that implies that they were once a member of a site.

Some people will always want free shit, it's been that way since the beginning, look at password sites. There were many big guys that started out shady, it's nothing new.

And being called dumb by a person with no sig, joined in 2010 (well after all this shit began) and have Domain Broker's avatar doesn't hold much merit with me.

[Qbert]

Over simplification.

Illegal tubes are just one part of the problem. Malicious cross sales and card banging, file sharing forums and torrents, economic downturn, etc. all have a part in the declining sales.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Qbert

Over simplification.

Illegal tubes are just one part of the problem. Malicious cross sales and card banging, file sharing forums and torrents, economic downturn, etc. all have a part in the declining sales.

Agreed, I'm not saying card banging, shady xsales and billing practices is the reason adult sales are down today, I believe it's a culmination of many things that have gone on over the years. I don't believe it's all tubes and it all started happening when they arrived on scene.

[merina0803]

so are tubes legal or illegal? why is this so tough for you people to answer?

[merina0803]

Originally Posted by kristin

Agreed, I'm not saying card banging, shady xsales and billing practices is the reason adult sales are down today, I believe it's a culmination of many things that have gone on over the years. I don't believe it's all tubes and it all started happening when they arrived on scene.

and planetsuzy is not pirate site.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by merina0803

so are tubes legal or illegal? why is this so tough for you people to answer?

which ones?

[- LOL -]

Originally Posted by kristin

Agreed, I'm not saying card banging, shady xsales and billing practices is the reason adult sales are down today, I believe it's a culmination of many things that have gone on over the years. I don't believe it's all tubes and it all started happening when they arrived on scene.

Stop whining.

[merina0803]

Originally Posted by Roald

which ones?

exactly

[kristin]

Originally Posted by merina0803

so are tubes legal or illegal? why is this so tough for you people to answer?

A bunch of the larger tubes have moved to be legal tubes. Many times people go to PornHub.com and see 40 minute movies. Well, PH along with RedTube license their content, and spend a lot of money doing so. So those 40 minute movies are most likely licensed to them by a studio that gave them full rights to do whatever with for $40/DVD, however due to the past setup of tubes, those 40 minute movies were "user uploaded."

There will always be illegal tube sites, however there will always be some type of illegal site out there pushing porn.

[Supreme Clientele]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You tell em sista.

another useless posts by barefucksies

[FreeHugeMovies]

I think that's a problem, yes, but I think illegal tubes are the majority of the problem.

[Shap]

Kristin emailed you last week did you get it?

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Shap

Kristin emailed you last week did you get it?

Yes, I'm waiting the same time period it took you to answer mine! I kid.

On it this week, been doing some other shit.

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by Supreme Clientele

another useless posts by barefucksies

really? barefootsies makes like $75,000 a month who are you again?

[LAJ]

What pisses me off is that once a surfer is fucked over, he'll never want to pay for porn again. Poisons the pot for all of us.

[arock10]

fuck the surfers, either way

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

really? barefootsies makes like $75,000 a month who are you again?

Correction, barefootsies just sent me a C&D, he actually makes $75,000 per day. Im very sorry for the incorrect information.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

really? barefootsies makes like $75,000 a month who are you again?

75k month. I want to hear him reporting about Grenada and Nicaragua healthcare relief programs on the run, ah, add Ukraine too.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by LAJ

What pisses me off is that once a surfer is fucked over, he'll never want to pay for porn again. Poisons the pot for all of us.

Yes, that has been my big argument for years. We lose a porn surfer/buyer from the industry, they aren't going to come back and test another paysite. They're done buying porn, from anyone.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Correction, barefootsies just sent me a C&D, he actually makes $75,000 per day. Im very sorry for the incorrect information.

BTW, I've always loved your avatar. The yellow on a perfect tan ass - I love it.

[Klen]

Well i dont promote such sponsors so you dont need to worry about me

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kristin

Did anyone ever think that promoting card banging programs is making you lose sales?

Very few in this side of the business have a clue about what damages sales. They just blame everything but themselves. So long as they make instant money they're fine. Started a long time ago.

Paying people 50%+ to load the Internet with free porn.
Giving these people every possible support possible.
Selling crap porn.
Not responding to customers needs.
Hiding the cancel button.
Sending traffic to sites who would fuck them, the surfer and anyone else if they got the chance.
Sending traffic to Dating Sites, knowing full well free ones are available.
Selling surfers penis pills.

And a few other things that people think are fine.

Then cross sells and card banging.

Until the tubes directly affected programs, no one cared

I've known that giving away content would hurt them in the end. I was told by Steve Easton who ran APIC. And been telling them for a decade.

Yes all was fine until, BW crashed in price, Internet speeds upped to a level that meant pirating was easy. Now they blame everyone else.

I'm a broken record. But it's still fuck the customer, if we have enough traffic (give away enough free porn) all will be fine.

Don't worry access to porn has never been so easy.

This bunch can't even sell porn to guys jerking off. How fucked up is that?

[zeuse]

'You tube hating people'?

You sound like you have shit on your nose yet you refuse to inhale.

Good luck with the future.

[TheDoc]

Wow, several people in this thread actually are having a problem following this? Well I guess this doesn't really shock me much... if it wasn't for the stupid people none of these companies would have anyone to promote them.

[Sid70]

Okay, no tits.
/thread

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by zeuse

'You tube hating people'?

You sound like you have shit on your nose yet you refuse to inhale.

Good luck with the future.

That's a statement within a question, not a question alone....

What pirate sites do you own or shady sponsors do you promote?

[seeandsee]

Tubes are game changer, and with evil free content offered to people, nothing good!

[merina0803]

Originally Posted by kristin

A bunch of the larger tubes have moved to be legal tubes. Many times people go to PornHub.com and see 40 minute movies. Well, PH along with RedTube license their content, and spend a lot of money doing so. So those 40 minute movies are most likely licensed to them by a studio that gave them full rights to do whatever with for $40/DVD, however due to the past setup of tubes, those 40 minute movies were "user uploaded."

There will always be illegal tube sites, however there will always be some type of illegal site out there pushing porn.

spin.. so is pornhub illegal or what?

[kristin]

Originally Posted by merina0803

spin.. so is pornhub illegal or what?

To my knowledge, yes but I will not speak 100% to that.

I know they license content, adhere to DMCA notices, and have implemented the Digital Fingerprinting.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by merina0803

spin.. so is pornhub illegal or what?

Spin? Is exactly what your new question is after she already answered your first question...

[zeuse]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's a statement within a question, not a question alone....

What pirate sites do you own or shady sponsors do you promote?

Neither, nor have i jumped on the tube bandwagon. I make a full time living 'old skool'. I wont 'adapt', i will die and look back and reminiscie.

Btw, i never asked a question, hence no question mark.

[BlackCrayon]

considering the sheer numbers of people on the illegal tubes to the number of joins made per day, its obvious that tubes are a larger cause of lack of sales but of course, not the only reason.

[magicmike]

I think the bigger issue is now when you type in porn in google, or many address bars which lead you to googles results you now are shown 10 tube sites with all the content you need.

Your search is over, and you don't join any site.

Before you would type in porn, and get varried result mostly of free sites, tgps, mgps, etc that didn't quite do it for you, and you'd click thru and on banners, or text ads, end up at a paysite and join.

Not all surfers understand xsales etc... but they understand searching google for things, and when they find free porn that gets them off, and they're back to facebook and whatever else.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by zeuse

Neither, nor have i jumped on the tube bandwagon. I make a full time living 'old skool'. I wont 'adapt', i will die and look back and reminiscie.

Btw, i never asked a question, hence no question mark.

Oh.... You'll have clarify your out of context questioning of the post made by K then. It's a little confusing.

Originally Posted by zeuse

'You tube hating people'?

That sure looks like a question mark to me. Just saying.

[Ravage]

Originally Posted by kristin

Yes, I'm waiting the same time period it took you to answer mine! I kid.

On it this week, been doing some other shit.

You'll have to excuse "His Shapness" tardiness.
He is currently on a spring concert tour afterall.

2011“Musica+Alma+Sexo” World Tour

.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by magicmike

I think the bigger issue is now when you type in porn in google, or many address bars which lead you to googles results you now are shown 10 tube sites with all the content you need.

Your search is over, and you don't join any site.

Before you would type in porn, and get varried result mostly of free sites, tgps, mgps, etc that didn't quite do it for you, and you'd click thru and on banners, or text ads, end up at a paysite and join.

I can see why the owners of those 10 TGPs and/or paysites might be upset if tubes have taken their place, but it doesn't make any real difference to anyone else.

More generally, this is about the only legal 'industry' I can think of where most people seem to think nothing of behaving in shady or illegal ways, while most of everyone else seems to think that's fine, no big deal or just the way things happen.

People call non-porn 'mainstream' like they're involved organized crime or something; WTF? There is no mainstream or non-mainstream, there is just legal and illegal, or at least ethical and unethical.

Treating customers like marks because they're going to be too 'ashamed' to complain about being ripped off is something that should have died when porn left seedy, low-rent offline ghettos and became fully, legally and openly available online.

Porn is legal and - ironically, largely because of Tubes - it is also mainstream. There's no reason for porn businesses not to behave in the same way and with the same standards that most other legal businesses behave.

[jesse_adultdatingdollars]

Originally Posted by Sid70

With all respect. Show us your tits, please.

I second this.

[Alprazolam]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I can see why the owners of those 10 TGPs and/or paysites might be upset if tubes have taken their place, but it doesn't make any real difference to anyone else.

More generally, this is about the only legal 'industry' I can think of where most people seem to think nothing of behaving in shady or illegal ways, while most of everyone else seems to think that's fine, no big deal or just the way things happen.

People call non-porn 'mainstream' like they're involved organized crime or something; WTF? There is no mainstream or non-mainstream, there is just legal and illegal, or at least ethical and unethical.

Treating customers like marks because they're going to be too 'ashamed' to complain about being ripped off is something that should have died when porn left seedy, low-rent offline ghettos and became fully, legally and openly available online.

Porn is legal and - ironically, largely because of Tubes - it is also mainstream. There's no reason for porn businesses not to behave in the same way and with the same standards that most other legal businesses behave.

goddamnit you're a moron. have you ever worked in mainstream?

i have.

porn companies treat consumers 10 times better. mainstream is Mark City.

1000000000000000 times more shady.

Welcome all!