Last Bin Laden post, I promise. But he's still alive.

[TripleXPrint]

He held too much valuable information to just outright kill. Why send in the commandos if they had eyes on him for a couple weeks? Why not just paint the target and lob a Tomahawk or two his way. This just looks more like a smash and grab than an actual seek and destroy mission.

His body gets buried at sea within 24 hours and they weren't concerned with the collected DNA getting compromised?

I hope he is alive and we're torturing the shit out of him this very moment for information on terrorist locations, cells, attack plans, etc. Then after we're done torturing him, hang him up in NYC and put him on display.

C'mon Obama, I know you have it in you. Please, please, please let him be alive and in U.S. custody. On the bright side, if no information is collected it would still be fun torturing the shit out of that puke.

[scuba steve]

i spoke with a couple marine friends of mine, they said that the original intent was to probably capture him but when they found him they beat the shit out of him, and disfigured him for payback/emotions. regardless of elite team or not, he said they all wanted to do that to him. to not have a pr nightmare or get branded as the bad guys, they make it seem like they respected his wishes and buried him at sea when he's prolly in a million different pieces

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Sigh.........................

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

i spoke with a couple marine friends of mine, they said that the original intent was to probably capture him but when they found him they beat the shit out of him, and disfigured him for payback/emotions. regardless of elite team or not, he said they all wanted to do that to him. to not have a pr nightmare or get branded as the bad guys, they make it seem like they respected his wishes and buried him at sea when he's prolly in a million different pieces

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

[BFT3K]

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

true, i didn't think about it that way with the seal factor

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

they are people... people have emotions, no matter what club they belong to...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

And every second on the ground opens the entire operation up to a higher failure percentage rate. Not to mention the White House was watching in real time.

Also if taking him alive was the mission goal then they failed. None of them would find that acceptable.

[dyna mo]

their mission parameters could also include some good torturing too eh.

[u-Bob]

I doubt he knew anything they didn't already know.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

For the most part I have to agree with you. Some of them get out of hand from time to time but for the most part when it comes to the job they do it right.

[TripleXPrint]

No tinfoil hats here. It's just speculation is all. Something to discuss.

[TripleXPrint]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Marines are not SEALs. No disrespect to the Marines, of course, but SEALs are different animals. I'm sure they carry out a plan to the T, and don't participate in hate killing. It's all business for those guys.

That's what I'm talking about. Why send the SEALS into a fortified position with a possible risk of absolute failure, or at least risking their lives when they could have just flattened that portion of the Earth and call it a day? If the mission were to just kill him, that is the M.O. for every other government backed assassination that I know of. If you argue that they didn't want to send a missile or launch any ordinance into Pakistan, I understand that. You don't want to go blowing up someone else's backyard to kill a mole eating the plants in your yard. But didn't the SEALS snipe a pirate while sitting on a rocking boat and the pirate was also on a rocking boat...on rough seas? Send a .50 cal up range and vaporize the dude.

I don't know, like I said, it's just speculation on my part. Good water cooler talk.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

they are people... people have emotions, no matter what club they belong to...

if you read this, you may have a different insight

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/05/03...ex.html?hpt=C1

[BFT3K]

The assignment was to KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN!

If the plan was to capture him instead, the SEALS failed their mission.

No one believes they failed, so do the math.

The White House did not want a LIVE Osama Bin Laden.

That scenario would be a disaster on so many levels it isn't even funny.

[TripleXPrint]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The assignment was to KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN!

If the plan was to capture him instead, then they would have failed their mission. No one thinks they failed, so do the math.

No one wanted a LIVE Osama Bin Laden. That scenario would be a disaster on so many levels it isn't even funny.

Then why risk the lives of elite U.S. special forces troops just to snuff him? They knew where he was. One smart bomb or Tomahawk missile and bye bye Bin Laden. Name me one other terrorist or dictator that the U.S. has ever assassinated using special forces. The Hussien brothers were killed by a bomb. They tried to kill Saddam a couple times with bombs. They tried to kill Quadafi with a bomb but got his family instead. And the list goes on and on. The leader of the Taliban...yep, a bomb. So why was this mission different?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

That's what I'm talking about. Why send the SEALS into a fortified position with a possible risk of absolute failure, or at least risking their lives when they could have just flattened that portion of the Earth and call it a day? If the mission were to just kill him, that is the M.O. for every other government backed assassination that I know of. If you argue that they didn't want to send a missile or launch any ordinance into Pakistan, I understand that. You don't want to go blowing up someone else's backyard to kill a mole eating the plants in your yard. But didn't the SEALS snipe a pirate while sitting on a rocking boat and the pirate was also on a rocking boat...on rough seas? Send a .50 cal up range and vaporize the dude.

You can't confirm tiny charred pieces from 5,000 miles away.

As for the sniper thing, you've seen too many movies.

[2intense]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I doubt he knew anything they didn't already know.

[CamsMaster]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

their mission parameters could also include some good torturing too eh.

well said

[dropped9]

jesus christ give it up already

[Tom_PM]

Evidently there is active discussion about whether or not to release the photo's still ongoing in the white house. Frankly, I dont want to see it. Dont need to. Not curious in any way. What the hell would I know about it? Guns make holes in things? Already accept that as fact, lol.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CamsMaster

well said

could be part of why they did not send in drones, etc. obama is certainly highlighting the we killed him with the focus on the celebrating the kill eh, our guy killed him, not some computer robot thingie.

[LiveDose]

I love all the military and intel knowledge in this thread/board. lol

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

Then why risk the lives of elite U.S. special forces troops just to snuff him? They knew where he was. One smart bomb or Tomahawk missile and bye bye Bin Laden. Name me one other terrorist or dictator that the U.S. has ever assassinated using special forces. The Hussien brothers were killed by a bomb. They tried to kill Saddam a couple times with bombs. They tried to kill Quadafi with a bomb but got his family instead. And the list goes on and on. The leader of the Taliban...yep, a bomb. So why was this mission different?

They wanted to be certain. Blowing up a building would not guarantee everyone inside was killed, nor would it verify that Osama was amongst the dead. They killed him, verified the kill through conclusive DNA testing, and tossed him away. It was the best plan they had, and it worked out perfectly.

Imagine Obama had failed? How many right wing loons would be in the streets today, screaming for his impeachment? Give the guy a break!

[seeandsee]

Still no PS pics online, so wait for realease

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

They wanted to be certain. Blowing up a building would not guarantee everyone inside was killed, nor would it verify that Osama was amongst the dead. They killed him, verified the kill through conclusive DNA testing, and tossed him away. It was the best plan they had, and it worked out perfectly.

Imagine Obama had failed? How many right wing loons would be in the streets today, screaming for his impeachment? Give the guy a break!

So why has Obama used hundreds of drones attacks in the past? Many of those drone attacks were high AL targets including Osama.

Im not saying I dont think Osama is not dead. He is. But I think the mission was to capture Osama and bring him to Gitmo. Of course they are not going to say the seals failed. That would be a PR nightmare. They are heros even if they did "fail".

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by JFK

if you read this, you may have a different insight

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/05/03...ex.html?hpt=C1

Good link, thanks.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

Then why risk the lives of elite U.S. special forces troops just to snuff him??

Uh - that's why we pay them and train them?