DVTimes

Do any of you find tube sites result in sales?

If so what ratio's are you finding?

Ie:

Amount of Tube views > Click through to site > Sales

Also do you find it best to upload a single film or loits of films?

Have any of you uploaded ALL your films and found it results in sales?

What is the quality of sales, as in do they stay on the site or is it a single sale?

Is it worth affiliates to use tubes to promote sites?

Do short clips (say 3 mins) convert better than full films?

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BFT3K

Better question: Do tube sites lose you sales?

wehateporn

Tubes turn Western traffic ratios into Indian traffic ratios

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crockett

It's a conspiracy theory..blame the US govt..

Jakez

It's just like traffic from any other site really. Show them an enticing ad, they click it, if they like the site they signup. People will still even signup when the free tube site has full videos from the paysite on it. I don't really see what all the "blame the tubes" fuss is about. People find what they like and will pay to view latest content from it.

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L-Pink

I wish some Navy SEAL's would start taking out tube sites.

wehateporn

False Flag on the Tube, like in London

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Robbie

Brother this is the second post you've made about this...and the second time I have to say that it is incorrect. Until you've actually sold porn online as either an affiliate or a paysite owner...then you have no idea just how bad tubes, torrents, file sharing sites, and surfer forums linking to all of them have hurt sales.

It would be like a site having all of your scripts on it for FREE. And then you running an "enticing ad" to try and sell the same scripts on the same page.

It don't work.

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Jakez

Well I have done it so... yeah, brother. In fact I made 2 sales from a bad tube site since I posted in this thread. 1:128. I've ran paysites before and been an affiliate for over 8 years.

The only way I can understand it is people want the LATEST content from a site, not all the old shit on tubes. And I never said tubes haven't hurt sales.

It do work.

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Jack Sparrow

I have to agree with jake, you can use tubes to increase you sales, IF done correctly.

DVTimes

how effective is it?

I mean say you post a full film from a solo girl site.

While you may get 2 sales, could it not be said that you could at the same time loose say 50 sales as those people have seen what they want and not interested in joining.

Or even worst still, due to the tube site the quality of the film has droped, making what was once a good quality film, look rather poor.

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96ukssob

simply put.. yes. the ratios are like 5x if not higher than TGP traffic, but then again I am limited on what I can do with the video content

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Fenris Wolf

Yes definitely. It's a balancing act. You want to create branding without over saturating your product. There are ways do it though.

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ahoy

Ask the guys at x-art.com if tube traffic is working for them.

If you aren't making money from tube traffic, you are doing something wrong. If a surfer is choosing the content that is available on most tubes, then your content blows.

Robbie

Congrats to any of you making great sales on tube sites. I know that when I look at the biggest tube sites in the world...they are filled with dating and cam and penis pill ads.

No paysites. Unless you count Mofos and Brazzers ads (since Manwin doesn't allow their full scenes on their own tubes).

But if you guys have somehow figured a magical way to make a text link or banner that somehow is better than everybody else's...congratulations.

I would think that with all this knowledge of advertising on tubes and making sales that you should have all been doing this back when sales really were monstrous. Just think how great your advertising skills would have been back 15 years ago? Or 10 years. Or 5 years. Or even 3 years ago.

Companies going out of business left and right. Other companies cutting production. Pornhub with 10 MILLION uniques a day. But you guys are killing it with tube traffic? Okay. Then come sign up for my affiliate program and promote our stuff and educate me on how great it is and how you guys have it figured out. I'd love to be wrong. But I know I'm not.

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Jakez

I think everyone would agree that tubes have hurt sales. But are the conversions worse than non-tube sites? Not at all, and in my experience it is better.

Isn't claudia-marie.com a tube? I know it's a paytube and it's clips. But there's over 7 hours worth of free video on there..

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2MuchMark

Want to know if Tube sites are a good place to advertise on?

Ask yourself this question : When is the last time that you personally clicked on any ad on any tube site, followed through and then made a purchase?

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'nuff said.

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Robbie

It's built on a tube script yes. But when I say "tube" I'm not talking about that. I'm referring to the illegit tubes such as pornhub with full length scenes and entire members areas ripped.

In the beginning of tubes I jumped right in with a TEVS site and got all the 15 and 30 second clips and designed it real pretty...couldn't compete with the big illegit ones with their full length scenes in terms of traffic. Why would a surfer even think twice about watching promo clips when they can see everything for free?

Then I opened up Jugland.Com as a big tit niche tube site. It's 90% search engine traffic thanks to it's first page ranking for "Big Tit Tube" on google.

It does okay. But NOTHING like my tgp's did pre-piracyinsanity.

Again...man if you can make great sales to paysites with tube traffic...then I'm begging you to join my program. Promote Claudia-Marie.Com That site really does make sales for a variety of reasons. And if you are really that good..then we will both be making a ton of money. Plus you can get me to come on GFY and admit that you are right. Hell, that should be worth something. lol

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Robbie

Exactly...

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Barefootsies

Clicked on an advertisement? Probably almost never.

I honestly can say I simply just do not see them because I am desensitized. However, I actually HAVE watched a video on a tube site(s) and went and BOUGHT IT from a clip store or the website. I have done this often enough that I can say it is successful for 'some'.

Again, I am in fetish/niche. So it's a different ball game.

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d-null

more people nowadays might see it on a tube and then would go to a megaupload or oron or filesonic and get the siterip in full high quality

marlboroack

I click on Ads on tubesites to see who is promoting, then i save the name and do research to see who is making the most money.

Robbie

What do you mean? How do you "do research to see who is making the most money"?

I'm kinda lost on what you are saying exactly. You go to a tubesite and click on ads. And then you write the name down and....what? Call them up and ask how much money they're making? lol

Seriously...unless you are promoting a sponsor, then you have no idea how much money they can make YOU, and that's all that really counts. Not sure how or what or why you're doing "research" Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

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Barefootsies

If that were the case, Clips4Sale would not be making money hand over fist.

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Jakez

So how are your tgp vs tube sales right now?

I don't have any tits traffic yet, trying to nail down some niches before I move onto others. But when I get there I will give you a shot for sure.

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Odysseus

A lot people refund or make chargebacks on paysites when found some tube sites simple after type word "porn" in google.

Robbie

My tgps still clear around 25 grand a month. But I barely have any traffic left at all.
The tube? A sale every week or so if I'm lucky.

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Jack Sparrow

Robbie, i wasnt talking about ads or banners.
Dvtimes: the poor quality conversion of a tube can actually work in your advantage.

Im not going to spill the beans here. But like said, a site pulling 10m visitors a day, think about it.

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L-Pink

Robbie, a lot of people just don't get it.


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papill0n

starting with dvtimes...

Robbie

Pornhub is an affiliate of mine. I put up a bunch of vids on Pornhub of Claudia Marie. They were all watermarked AND the marketing "genius" clowns at Pornhub put up a single text link to the site with their affiliate code.

I have since pulled the vids back down after I proved my point.

The vids had almost 5 MILLION views. Here is pornhubs stats to claudia-marie.com:
15279 8 1:1909 $226.95

That is 15,279 actual people clicking the text link out of 5 million people watching the vids. This is over an 8 month period by the way.

8 sales and $226.95 is what they made over 8 months and 5 million views of the vids. What a fucking joke. And that is the biggest and "best" tube site in the world. lol

An average affiliate with a tiny blog getting 1,000 hits a day can do better than that in a week as far as sales are concerned.

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sadiedazzle

Robbie I agree with you. Tube sites SUCK big time.
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Shane_2ptoh

This thread is clearly O.G.s comparing profits 10 yrs ago with profits now. A decade ago it was all TGPs. I'm not a techy myself, i'm in sales itself, what happened was that the general public copped on that computer skills were valuable, everyone taught themselves. Drag and drop software came along and now everyone has a couple of tubes/blogs up. (Even me).

It's sad. My uncle owned a very successful record shop for years which has obviously closed down.

The industry has changed forever. It sucks for you guys.

I still believe though that people will pay for quality and for niche. I would.

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Robbie

They will. But that's only IF you work hard to keep it off the tubes, torrents, and fileshare sites. Because even a quality niche is worthless if it's everywhere for free.

That's why bbw, foot fetish, old granny, and a few other "strange" niches still sell. The illegit tubes haven't bothered with them as much yet. But if and when they ever do...

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Jack Sparrow

Not here to argue i believe you robbie.
For me, it works just fine.

ahoy

So because your content does not sell on tube sites, means tube site traffic must suck? You gotta be kidding me. Like I said, ask the guys from x-art or nubiles or any other pay site who puts out quality content if tube traffic converts, you will get a big HELL YES.

free tube site content > your content you are trying to make people pay for

quality content > free tube content

It is quite simple. Put out high quality content that appeals to the masses, and you will get mass sales. Create content that appeals to a small niche, and you will get small sales.

Agent 488

surprising how many people type in urls from a watermak ... i mean google yourdomain.com

wouldn't have believed until i tried it.

Agent 488

that's from the direct link. you have no idea how many sales were generated by the watermark, because people do type in urls they see on a video.

kbauerctu

I think he may be trying to say he is an affiliate marketer. Someone who researched all the different advertiser on the tubes, finds the ones that show most often, and tries out their programs on his traffic buys. I do this. I use proxy servers to find out who is advertising where, and to see what companies are spending big bucks.

One things for sure, Robbie, you are right it's mainly pills, dating, and cams. There are still a few content advertisers, but all too often there targeted to a non-us county and contain some kind of cross sale.

The game has changed.

I wonder what would happen if a quality membership site converted their site into a free tube (using only their own content, or content purchased from others.) I think that site would get A LOT of traffic. Given that the content was what people wanted. Although I see plenty of problems arising from a business model like that. What would stop other tube sites from stealing your content?

CaptainWolfy

of course not, you can't get any sales with tubes :D lool

2MuchMark

I thought of that when writing my post, but when I use Google to search for a product that I am interested in buying, I will usually check out the ads as well as the organic results before making my purchase. But seeing random ads for stupid things I'm not interested in buying will never convert me.

One thing I notice on youtube is that the ads that appear on the videos, while still annoying, are getting getting better as far as relevance goes. If adult tube sites can show proper targeted ads then they might stand a chance.

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Paul Markham

Funny thread.

The guy who boasts he made millions giving away free porn is not hating the guys who give away more free porn than he did.

The entire concept of giving away free porn and paying people 50%+ and supporting them in any way possible is so flawed it's laughable that someone can even start to think it works.

Unless you're one of the guys who can't sell online porn.

Yes Robbie I do understand online porn marketing. It's the thing least like marketing I've ever heard of. Anything that sells at 1 in 1,000 views isn't marketing. It's throwing mud at the wall in the hope some will stick. Throwing the product, for free and in the amounts online porn does, you're try to sell at customers. Isn't marketing. It's desperation or crass stupidity.

And someone who is trying to earn a few bucks from a link in his sig, is trying to tell us he converted at 1-128.

I can small the bullshit from all the way over here.

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Agent 488

stick with the mags in plastic bags, leave the internet to the living.

SomeCreep

Bingo! For every 1 sale generated with tube sites, 20 sales are lost industry wide. This is why conversion ratios continue to worsen over time.

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Paul Markham

You're not that bright are you. The LATEST content on 99% of sites is the same content that on Tubes. Just a different girl on a different sofa and that's not worth signing up for.

I don't blame Tubes for the decline of the industry. I blame the idiots who made being in porn so easy that idiots like you could make a living at it, while doing your best to destroy it.

I know, now you can tell me without 1,000s like you giving away as much porn as you could and people like Robbie archive it for ever. There would never of been people online looking for porn.

It shows how dumb most of you are.

Here's another one.

Stupid idea, making people buy the product to enjoy the porn. Thankfully I was able to make enough from those days. Before the idiots devastated the business.

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Far-L

May be a stupid question... but what did you do in the way of split testing to try and dial that in a bit? 5 million views can certainly be way more profitable than what you are describing.

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