gideongallery

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u-Bob

While I agree that the laws and regulations being put into place supposedly to fight filesharers are in fact intended to silence political opposition and protect large corporations from competition by startups etc, this whole Human Rights thing is BS.

iamtam

the un really needs to get a life.

gideongallery

yeah how dare they care about such useless concepts as freedom of opinion and expression, it not like we need free speech

oh wait a second

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seeandsee

they just talk about using that to fuck human rights

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Socks

I say we should send all the filesharers HOME! With a GIANT CATAPULT!

nation-x

when a man gobbles peckers for a living... he is a homosexual prostitute

iamtam

you are a surfer, plain and simple. go hang out on torrent freak and leave us alone.

merina0803

web access is not a right man, like driving car. when you go to jail, eventually, you will learn that.

GrouchyAdmin

Since when is theft a right?

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kane

As per normal Gideon is only posting the part of the story that suits his narrative.

Here is something from later in the story: ?This also includes legislation based on the concept of ?graduated response?, which imposes a series of penalties on copyright infringers that could lead to suspension of Internet service, such as the so-called ?three-strikes-law? in France and the Digital Economy Act 2010 of the United Kingdom,? notes the report.:"

So if passed it would be like a three strikes you are out law. So this doesn't mean some dude accidentally downloads one song or something and gets his internet connection taken away, he would have to have been guilty of copyright infringement multiple times.

This is no different than many laws. If you get a DUI, you lose your licenses. If you commit a robbery, you go to jail and when you get out of jail it is illegal for you to own a gun. If you are going to consistently use the internet as a tool to commit a crime, you are going to lose access to that tool.

gideongallery

what exactly about do you not understand
it doesn't matter if it 1 strike, 3 strikes or 10,000 strikes

the point is that because your action take away a medium of communication it violates the international covenant on civil and political rights and is therefore a human rights violation

your licience to drive a car is not nor will it ever be a medium of communication

your right to a weapon is not a medium of communication

they are completely different in this context.

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merina0803

no web in prison. try again.

gideongallery

btw you might want to read your own quote when trying to make an arguement

the UN already took ?graduated response? of the 3 strikes law into account when they condemed the action

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gideongallery

and they take away your right after you get paroled or serve your sentence

oh wait.

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kane

acutally depending on your crime they might. If you are a felon you can't own a gun or vote. There have been a few different people who were found guilty of putting up obscene material online and as part of their probation they were not allowed to have access to the internet.

baddog

What kind of idiot thinks Internet access is a human right?

kane

My car can be a medium and/or a form of communication. I can paint a message on it and drive around thus broadcasting my ideas. I can use it to deliver information or take me to a place where I can deliver communication. If I drive my car to a rally where I then speak in front of a crowd my car is no different than the internet, they are both tools used to to help me carry out my communication.

The right to bare arms is in the US constitution as is the right to vote, yet if you commit a felony both of those are stripped from you.

From my point of view having internet access is not a basic human right, it is a privilege.

kane

Correct. The way I understand it, they read the three strikes law, didn't agree with and didn't want it to be in existence. But the way it sounds to me you have to commit this crime three different times before you lose your access.

You are always saying that you are against copyright violation and you don't commit copyright violation so what is the big deal? If a person has a legitimate and legal reason to be downloading something they have nothing to worry about. Only those who break the law consistently need worry.

baddog

I just wanted to say I really like the gif in your sig.

kane

lol thanks. A friend of mine sent it to me.

baddog

The gif or the girl? If the gif, isn't that file sharing?

L-Pink

Fuck the UN. The majority of the countries are just like you, wanting something for free.

DaddyHalbucks

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Redrob

I'm not impressed with these rationalizations in attempting to gain approval of piracy.

kane

sadly he just sent me the gif. . . I guess that might be filesharing. Two more strikes and I lose my internet

blackmonsters

But disconnecting electricity when people don't pay is not a human rights issue,
because file sharing computers run on batteries?

Yeah, I think I understand it now.

LOL!

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Dirty Dane

That all he does here. Quoting the "good" news (propaganda) from torrentfreak, so he can spend hours trolling here. The rest of the articles, the 90% "bad" news, he skip posting here (like "Canadian fileshare admins face jailtime" etc.).

It's all about trolling here, nothing else.

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gideongallery

and they got convicted of that crime with nothing more than a complaint to a government agency based only on the ip address info


your right it exactly the same


oh wait.

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gideongallery

two things those stories are not done yet

that stories about people STARTING the process of trial (i post about when the conviction actually happens-- usually to bitch about how they screwed up and it won't survive appeal )


other people already posted those "bad news" articles already so my comments in THEIR threads are enough i don't need to start a competing thread just to split off their views.

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merina0803

my point is that if communication IS basic human right then those are being served with a pencil and paper not web. use black ink though and that will get you in trouble

gideongallery

because the three strikes law doesn't require a full trial with full access to free public defenders so you can defend yourself when the copyright holder misrepresents fair use as an infringement

the 3 strike law doesn't have a balancing penalty when the copyright holder misrepresents fair use as a copyright infringement.


if a false complaint (3 strikes and you lose the right to every register another copyright again) was in place i would have no problem with the law.

a one side law which has no penalty for bad accusations means a lot of innocent people are going to get caught in the drag net.

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gideongallery

so you would support the same penalty for false complaints of infringement

make 3 false 3 strikes complaints (either fair use or mistakenly licienced) and all your copyright are forever null and void.

Everything you ever produced is public domain from that point on



you might want to read your constitution then because both those rights are conditionally provided

try getting a polling booth to county a non US /NON registered voter vote counted

try getting someone 6 year olds vote counted.

the right of free speech is an absolute so great that UN human right treat defines it as a basic human right

there is a huge difference between rights granted by a country to it citizens CONDITIONALLY and those rights defined to basic rights every person should have unconditionally.



obviously there no way you can claim the copyright monopoly is a basic human right either.

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Redrob

Dead thread.

Too many excuses and rationalizations.

I'd rather see suggestions how P2P and Cyber lockers could come around and work with content holders on a mutually profitable business model where both benefit. Oh, FSC has already provided such a model with the APAP.

MaDalton

i still dont understand why everyone keeps arguing with Gideon...

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gideongallery

seriously your actually trying to claim that this

http://www.fscapap.com/tube.html

fair use squashing solution is good solution

your copyright monopoly was granted conditionally on you respecting fair use


this solution would only be good if there was a X strikes auto takedown penalty that revoked the copyright holders monopoly to all the content

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gideongallery

because they don't realize i am right

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kane

Please post proof of this. I read nothing in that article that those falling under the 3 strikes law did not get a fair trail.

kane

This has nothing to do with my rights as a copyright holder. We are debating whether or not having access to the internet is a basic human right. You argued that a car is not a communication device like the internet is, I was simply pointing out that it is.

Take your meds and stay on topic.





And the internet is something given under conditions as well. Those conditions are that you have to order and pay for it. In some places if you don't have good enough credit or pay a deposit they won't give it to you. You could get free access from a school or a library, but there are likely rules that go along with that as well. For example, if you go to your local library, log onto a porn site, get naked and start jerking off, likely they are going to revoke your privileges. If you a student and get free access from your school and you use that access to run a filesharing site that bogs down their entire network, they are going to revoke your access.





Again, we aren't discussing this. Stay on topic.

gideongallery

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06...dead-in-france

add bogus counts created by honeypotting

see our previous thread and this is just ripe with abuse potential

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kane

Please show me where this happened.

Agent 488

you will pry my betamax from my cold dead hands.

kane

Fair enough. The law seemed flawed, but it looks like the law never went into effect so nobody was ever convicted using it.

Socks

You know what Gideon?

Tell your followers to stop being so openly blatant and ridiculous with their file sharing, crawl back into the hole where anything underground you want to stay underground can you know - remain underground... And people around the world will stop threatening to take away your ice cream.

Piracy was previously private. It wasn't supposed to be available to anyone with an internet connection and a search engine. That's a fact.

It's your own community's extravagance and righteousness that will lead to the loss of Internet freedom as we once knew it. You will lose the fight in the end, and we will all lose along with you, whether we agreed with you or not. You are the very excuse they need to add the controls you fear.

gideongallery

so we are going back to your bullshit copyright is not a monpoly even the supreme court declared it as one, becausse i say so bullshit again.

you were not right then and you are not right now

UN treaty defines what is and is not a basic human right

the UN treaty says it a free speech, the right to voice your oppinion

BTW you don't have to drive your car to have the free speech your talking about
that free speech works just as well if you push your car around the block.

that a huge difference between that and taking away an entire medium of communication.


seriously are you actually so stupid as to equate limiting access conditiionally to a complete outright ban

kiddie porn is a limiting condition, are you going to make the arguement that we should out right ban all porn because under limited conditions (kids being filmed it restricted)

here is the difference the "rights" your talking about are not universally recognized by every country in the UN as basic human rights, free speech is.




i am making a point about the double standard your having

if you truely believe that absolute rights can be taken away because conditiional rights can be taken away

you should believe that copyriight holder rights should also be allowed too be taken away

as you pointed out

so only the copyright holders who REPEATEDLY abuse the reporting process will lose their copyright.

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gideongallery

but they did setup the agency

did a piss poor job of securing the data that was collected

and basically violated people privacy rights when they got hacked.


http://torrentfreak.com/french-hadop...hacked-110514/


the law is passed (like 2257)

it being challenged in court system


no one has been convicted yet, but the backlog is being collected which is seriously fucked up because their passing around people private information

and their doing a piss poor job of securing that data.

like seriously putting that kind of information on a publically accessible web server

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Redrob

Thieves trying to redefine the arguments.....

L-Pink

Thief is a thief .......