Kingfish

This is the best thread I have read at GFY in years. A truthful blueprint for success and the amount of work and time it actually takes to have some success.

d-null

do you use any backlinks at all from any of your Medium Pimpin or related sites or fhg's or anything like that? program owners that have affiliates promoting them can have a big advantage over someone that is going it purely as an affiliate

also it should be restated that he is part of a team of 3 people that share in the blog network, and I'm sure they all work hard and disciplined like a full time job, it's not as easy as it used to be and there are no guarantees that it will last either

brassmonkey

their complete assholes. rules take a whole day to go over.

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That's amazing man, just a spreadsheet? Wow, you are way more organized and disciplined than me when it comes to that shit then. LOL

My plan is to start building blogs, directing them to my paysite "empire". I wish you'd build some Blogs around my whale, ErosExotica:

Regular Tour:
http://www.erosexotica.com/index1.html

Ad Tour:
http://www.erosexotica.com/ad/index1.html

I plan to start small, maybe 10 blogs for my 10 best-converting sites, then build Blogs around the blogs I build for each site, going into each keyword/niche deeper and deeper. For example: Chubby Blondy. Start an "official" Blog for her, then create ones around 'BBW', 'Blondes', 'Chubby', 'Italian', 'Housewife', 'Amateur' etc etc etc.

A good strategy or no? I've waited on this because I just hired an SEO expert to re-do my entire network and I think the blog-building should go hand-in-hand with that.

Again, great posts and thanks for sharing. I'm always available via ICQ, btw.

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MediumPimpin

No we don't back link from our hosted or our affiliate RSS blogs, we do have maybe 50 or so back links to our blogs in our members area, but we never paid much attention to back links.

We also do some trades with some of the larger TGP's but these all came after the Network was established and doing good. Once you do good, the good trades come looking for you.

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One thing I would change if these blogs will not be used by your affiliates then don't just push your own sites. Push yours and others in the same space, or if the model in question is on another site then blog that also, or if she is on You Tube then post that video also, don't limit it just to your sites, open it all up. Even if the blog post will not go to an affiliate site still use it, makes the blog more relevant.

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The Porn Nerd

That's good advice, too. I heard Google is now sandboxing sites if they notice a jillion links to it suddenly popping up. So no, no blogs for affiliates as I assume any (good) affiliates will want to create their own and do exactly as you are doing.

I'm an affiliate for about 3 dozen CCBill programs plus some dating sites as well so we'll link to those. I'll write everything myself until I just can't take it anymore than hire blog writers. But overall a good strategy? Just tracking behind what you're doing - although you get some kick-ass ratios after looking through your stats.

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MediumPimpin

I would build about a dozen using the same content, but use different themes, different ways you link to images, different key words, etc. Then wait a month and check them in Google and see what works and what does not.

If you have one doing good then ramp up on that style. If not keep on trying different things before going crazy with it.

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The Porn Nerd

Excellent advice, and something I do now before going crazy with anything (except women). I A-B test everything now. So I was thinking of doing that with half the domains, so six domains, 12 blogs, A-B test 'em, but maybe not. I'm new to all this. Can'tcha tell? LOL

Bottom line: If you work hard at anything and constantly check to see if you're heading in the right direction (up) then you'll be part of that 2% who will always be okay.

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d-null

there should be a caveat that external forces could cause all of your hard work to come crashing down

one example could be building a chain of cd stores and expecting it to last forever

your point about constantly checking if things are always going up though is a good one, but we should never assume that what we are building now that is working will last forever, or even work at all a year or two down the road

Houdini

Over the years, I had a network of blogs, at one point, around 60, but I've found that 3-4 of them got the majority of the sales, one of them like 80%. These days, I wonder what would be better, 500 blogs, or one big one, that updates like 20 times a day? I guess there's pros and cons to each.

The Porn Nerd

Oh I agree 1000%!! Wait, that's not possible. I agree 100% LOL Sort of what I meant by "up", but in short-hand.

I always, always, always give myself time frames and set goals. So if I'm not at Point X by X then I shift course and change what I'm doing. This is after research, too, so that I know what is reasonably possible.

But working hard and constantly, even if your CD store closes, also means working hard and constantly on your new music website, where'll you make some $ off being an Amazon affiliate. Or whatever. LOL Hard work should be a constant as long as you're healthy enough to do so.

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Niki

I see million new blogs coming .... ;)

B.Barnato

this thread takes me back to years ago when the big blog rush started...

kane

For the record it doesn't have to be blogs that use this theory on. It was told to me years ago and it still rings true today: build something that consistently makes you $1 per day and duplicate the shit out of it. If you duplicate it enough, you will find yourself doing pretty well.

V_RocKs

That is the mentality that has done well for me... Find a way to make a small amount of cash and then do it a lot more often... Money just "magically" comes in. No real trick to it. But you do have to work.

Friends from my off-line life try to get into doing what I do and they have always utterly failed. Right from the beginning I caution them that it might take an entire month just to make their first sale. And that is with me hinting here and there what they should do. Then I caution them that it will be months before they have hundreds coming in a month. And that hundreds compared to the thousands they make now will seem laughable. But after a year they will have thousands... IF they work as hard on day 365 as they did on day 1.

Each and every one of them has failed. Well, except for one that worked hard for a year and then burned out... He ended up getting a job. Now he wishes he stayed at it because that was in 2007. Right now he'd be making twice what he does at his job and what his network is making....

The Porn Nerd

QFT. I've sacrificed for almost three years now, doing little else but build, build, build. When it pays off in a couple years then I'll be happy because I'm still young enough to enjoy whatever it is I've built up. But the KEY is to never, ever stop.

Most people fail just when they're about to make it big, or stop right away because they see the hard seemingly endless work ahead of them. Others never, ever stop and get...somewhere. LOL

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Chris

what kind of overhead is it costing you a month to run 600 blogs?

servers
domain cost
employees
design

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fuzebox

Hosting is a function of traffic, not amount of domains or installed scripts. Unless you're trying to spread your shit around, your hosting costs would be similar to running a 250k tgp (one server would be fine).

I'm guessing domain cost is in the neighborhood of $4800?

Employees are him, an existing employee of the program, and an outsourced writer, so the answer wouldn't be helpful.

If one is going to be cranking out multiple blogs a week, they better figure out how to design their own shit

matuloo

Ok ok ok, let me sum it up, here you have a guy who is willing to share his income numbers from one of his projects, he tells you how many blogs, in what niche he has, what content its made of and how much attention he pays to them, even how many people work on it and you are still not satisfied??? You say youre a pesimist, I would say youre an idiot

So what would you like him to do, to give you a step by step guide on how to get a milionaire? Or even better, build a 100 blogs and hand them over to you? Oh my god, what is this business coming to....

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Firstly, I think you guys should all be giving major thanks to Mailman for posting as much info as he has. I've had the pleasure of speaking with him maybe once or twice and each time I've asked him how his blog network was doing. You know what he replied with? "Still growing, still working..." or something to that effect, it's been a while. The point is, he works damn hard. Like he said, the work isn't hard at all, just boring and repetitive. I give him all the credit in the world for sharing that info, he's pretty much laid out the formula for you guys.

So to answer OP's question, yes, still plenty of money in blogs. I did a case study where I set up a single blog based around one paysite. No traffic trades, no bought traffic, no nothing. Just waited for it to get picked up in Google. It was about about 2-4 hours of work at the most to set it up. Made well over $700 with that single blog as of this post... check out the case study here with the stats to back it up. Keep in mind this post was done two years ago, and although I lost most of my SERPS since then, that site still makes sales today: http://jayvis.com/new-site-launch-earnings/

It seems on GFY, most of you think affiliate managers are just retards with customer service skills who post on the boards all day long but I've been on both sides of the coin. I was a regular affiliate doing blog networks just like Mailman (although I'll be honest, I never hit $15k a month) but nonetheless I was doing just fine and dandy for a 19 year old kid. Hell, I still have domains sitting around doing way under 1:1000 - here's some stats from just one sponsor (I tried to grayscale the image to keep some privacy but meh):



That's last month's stats with just one sponsor. This month I'm currently at 1:438 with that same sponsor. Keep in mind I have ZERO time for whats left of my petty network. I sold off the majority of my stuff when I took the job with DG. I have no time for blogs these days, I stay busy enough helping my affiliates, but I still pull down nice beer money off the shit I have just laying around... I haven't updated my stuff in months/years.

So continue to build, build, build and build. The success isn't going to come over night. But keep on trucking. And [shameless plug] promote DatingGold on your blogs as well. If you can't sell them to a paysite, dating & cams are a good saver. [/shameless plug]

I'm always around if you guys need further advice. I'm not saying I'm the end all be all blog expert but I've done just fine with it in the past and still continue to receive checks in the mail.

kane

Nice info.

One quick question for you. I read your blog posts you linked here and it said you bought that tube theme. Do you remember where you got it?


Err. . . nevermind. Just went back and read the post again and I see the link there.
Thanks

V_RocKs

On a managed server at Cyberwurx you can host this all for about $225 and have tons of BW left over (4TB a month).

Domains? Be a reseller at resellerclub.com and lets do the math: 600 / 12 = 50 x $8.39 = $419.50

Employees? He said he buys 300 posts earlier I think... 300 x $5 = $1500, but he might be getting bulk deals for $4 or less a post.

Design? I believe he uses the same template on all blogs and the header is very basic so I am sure he just uses a photo from a sponsor and Photoshop to write the models name on it. So this is $50 just to average what he might be doing on other months.

High end: $2194.50 and Low ($4): $1894.50 and even lower! ($3): 1594.50

Tons of profit and very little overhead.

Lamis

Of course all of what you say is part of building a blog.

The problem is that when you have more than 500 blogs, most of them will receive 5 hits per day and it means, none of those blogs will make a fucking sale ever...

Once you have 500 blogs, you need to update them, and even if you do, it does not mean you will get traffic.

And its impossible to updates so many blogs, unless you pay someone else to do it, and even then, it doesn not mean you will get sales.. because some programs are at 1:5000, because all their content is FREE...

Simple as that.

There are hundreds of webmasters trying to build a blog empire and 95% of them FAIL. Just check nicky's thread (the guy from sweden), yes nicky, quote me if you want.

Lamis

Right, you are giving people the message: "Yeah, it was easy to build a blog empire and we are alreayd doing 20K per month with it".

MediumPimpin, you know it's not... And you are not talking about a lot of details in your post...

Also:

_1000 blogs with 10 hits a day: NO SALES

_1 niche blog with 10K hits per day: a few sales to pay some bills with extra cash


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Lamis

This thread is good for Hosting companies to spam their plans and for some sponsors to convince people to send their traffic.

But not for affiliates who fall in FALSE HOPE of getting 20K per month with blogs, they will waste their time.

There is no secret here, we all know the truth...

Or why you think the adult webmaster forums died?

Why you think 80% of sponsors closed their doors in the latst 3 years?

Do you think people are stupid?


Adapt or die? Yeah sure, that phrease is only good for cam sponsors to get your traffic and give you nothing in exchange. because all of them are impossible to convert for 99% of affiliates.


NEVERMIND guys, go ahead and waste your time trying to build a blog empire and get rich. Make sure you don't complain or whine afterwards.

V_RocKs

I will assume this is kind of like where the guy that gets to the top of the hill first falls to his knees and says to the rest, it was all for not... Lets go home... Then comes back the next day to lay with the virgins and reap the gold...

fuzebox

Lamis we are all very sorry you can't figure out how to make money online.

georgeyw

I've done the whole making sites day after day - blogs / gallery sites / fake tgp/mgp etc.. They make money but it's one hell of a pain in the butt to maintain.

Personally I've gone back to having a handful of sites I maintain on a daily basis. I still create the odd site here and there to promote a single sponsor / whatever. However I prefer to have sites that aren't bursting at the seams with ads and popup/under/im ads/bg links/etc...

If it pisses you off to deal with on a website - then odds are it will SHIT the surfer to tears.

Theo

Kevin gave a handful of great advices on his blog network at an interNEXT panel last year.

kane

It is all about which keywords you work in and which niches you choose to work. Sure, you can build blogs that get little or no traffic once they are up and running, but just the opposite is possible too. I have several blogs that are either in the #1 or #2 spot for the chose keyword on google. I have not updated them in months and still hold that position and get decent traffic. Sure, it isn't huge traffic, but it is a few hundred hits per day and works out to about 1 sales every 7-10 days. Because they are very specific keyword phrases the competition is very low and I can hold my spot with little or no work.

As I said, it is a simple concept, but it is not easy to do. If it were easy to do everyone would do it.

BigRod

Wow 600 that is HARDCORE! I run 200 myself and need eight days a week to stay on top of it. I publish about 24 posts per day image and about 50/100 words.

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AdultKing

You're wrong. 600 blogs at 20 updates a day means every blog is updated at least monthly. Unless you are logging in and posting old school to wordpress, this takes a couple of hours a day of hard work at most.

All you need to be able to do is write original, keyword rich, highly readable text and add sponsor content to each post, linking to your program of choice.

A 600 blog network is manageable by one person easily if you are a reasonable writer and have your procedures in place to streamline the process.

John.

exxxcellent thread

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sleazydoesit

Wow what a great thread! Lamis, go home. MediumPimpin, Kane, everyone else who's kicked in constructive and actionable advice... THANKS!!

I have no intention of producing 600 blogs, or even 60 of them, right away but I would like to think I can get in the 100s by the end of this year. As a super-green n00b in this business the hard part for me is trying to figure out how to interlink the blogs (and other sites I make) in a way that will get noticed by Google but not piss it off. (suggestions welcome, hint hint )

Over the past couple of weeks I've been putting up what I suppose would qualify as splogs on free adult blog hosts... that's my attempt at trying to SEO an affiliate site I made... but I think I'm gonna change that strategy!

Kolargol

I can't believe it, a biz thread on GFY? With some real info ? WTF?

Agent 488

you can lead a lame-ass to knowledge but you can't make him think.

fris

he always gets mad when people wont tell him how its done, thats when the insults start flying in.

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I agree, Lamis, fuck off.

The Porn Nerd

I'm still a little unclear about one major point in this thread:

Better to build 600 blogs or better to build a dozen blogs and work them (3-4 interesting and well-written posts a week)? Which has the better potential for more (profitable) traffic?

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AdultKing

They different but not mutually exclusive strategies.

If you have a kick ass domain, can build a following on a blog in a particular niche, then thats great. If you can duplicate that a couple of times then that is better.

The more blogs you build, the more man hours of work it will take to maintain them. If you are happy with a couple of solid blogs, with good followings then there is nothing wrong with that strategy.

Agent 488

do both. make 600 long tail blogs and make some high traffic babeblog/video dump style ones.

this thread is funny in so many ways. if someone wants to make a nice network it's pretty much spelled out with screenshots for proof. anyone with half a brain can find the network and backengineer any other questions about the specifics.

this thread pretty much proves the fault isn't with the adult industry it's with lame-ass.

beks001

Wow, lots of real good feedback and action on this thread. Thank you to everyone contributing positively. I appreciate it. Awesome stuff!!!

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Your mileage may vary, but I find the blog directories useful to submit to. This is especially the case for small to medium traffic blogs. Higher traffic very custom ones are kind of different in terms of traffic management and links, at least for me. I find Twan's http://www.adultblogresource.com/submitter/ to be the most useful of the bulk submitters.

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This is what I was thinking but it's nice to read confirmation. LOL Thanks!!


"Back-engineering" is how I started in this biz, and continue to do this to this day. I ain't into re-inventing the wheel. LOL So do what works.

Most people don't want to work hard, in any area of life. We Americans especially live in a fat, lazy, selfish and childish country so when confronted with - SHOCK! - real work (10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week or more kinda work) we reach for the remote. Sad and pathetic. But there will always be enough of us willing to put in the sweat and hours to succeed so not all Hope is lost. LOL

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d-null

well said and why a thread like this is so annoying and retarded, anyone that is worthy already knows how to figure things out for themselves and even blaze new trails that work if they are so motivated to do so, these kinds of threads just get a whole bunch of dumbasses all excited and then they sign up to the sponsors at the top of the posted stats lists and put up a few shitty blogs and then lose interest when they are still in the hole six months later. someone really should have just bumped nicky's big blog project thread and posted this thread in that thread instead of starting this one

MediumPimpin

Do you have a link to his thread?

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