Originally Posted by Jon

You guys are funny. I say funny, because as much as you sit there hoping and praying for regulation, you're pretty clueless it seems on what happens when regulation of all of this were to go into effect, here in the good 'ol USA.

I have a feeling you guys are so keen on government intervention and regulation because you are shit out of ideas and luck in trying to combat such a massive problem for content owners. Its understandable if that's the case, and certainly not a bad thing completely, but its not the ONLY solution out there ya know?

Most major piracy operations out on the interwebz are far more advanced than the US gov and all of the MPAA/RIAA folks combined. They are also not based here in the US, so trying to shut them down has proven a hell of a lot tougher than anyone really admits to. Sure, some big file sharing sites get shut down, but they are just replaced by mirrors and copycats by the tens of thousands. For every one operation taken down, it effectively creates many more popping up in its place. This shit, will never stop. If you think it will, you're an idiot.

They are also in the game for very different reasons than what these groups believe. Most of it actually has to do with bragging rights/street cred amongst their peers, control of content (ie. tweeking video filters, encoding, production value etc) and of course access to a movie or song for example before anyone else has it (0-day). There are lots of other reasons too, most of which are not addressed or even realized, but that's fine.

When you refer to these "evil doers" as "pirates" I'll bet you think they are just a bunch of ninja dressed dudes sitting around in some back alley basement hideout plotting on ways to steal your content and distribute it for monies across their vast connected infrastructure of other hideouts across the globe. -- Nope, most "pirates" are just your average joe blow who is likely to be sick of paying crazy high fees for a movie at an overpriced theater or doesn't want to buy a DVD/Bluray movie at some insane price. See, what you guys don't get is that its better to adapt than to fight things, at least in regards to the "piracy of downloadable content" is concerned. And by adapt, I don't mean adapt and sue them or toss them into prison, I mean just make it a lot more affordable. Stop raping them in price. Look, if a movie costs $250M to produce, maybe Hollywood should take a look at cutting costs on the production side versus the distribution side. They have a very firm control over that stuff, and they know it. They are not losing money on this.. perhaps they are losing a chunk of profit, but they are certainly not losing money in terms of costs.

Anyway, none of this stuff will actually go in the direction you are hoping for. Plainly because of one minor detail.

Money. That's all there is to it.

It costs the ISP's more money to monitor and slow things down than it does to acquire new costumers. Why do you think Comcast made that announcement that they would not share customer data? Because they are nice and sticking up for their customers? lol fuck no!! Its because it costs them more money and they don't like to lose money, they like to make it, so they don't want to even be bothered and used it instead as a PR campaign to look good for a change. +rep to them for the spin, they did a great job.

Think about the industries that would be effected? The security industry, online and offline would love it I'm sure, but only in the short term for most of them. File sharing hosts would probably charge more which is bullshit for "becoming legitimized". Production and distribution costs will certainly continue to rise, a lot faster I'm sure. And the best part of all of this, is the body of regulation, in our government would look to the private industry for "advisers and experts", because that's how regulation always works in this country. After a decade or two, you'll start getting a broken down and aged system that will not really do what it was first supposed to be in place for, as they'd be too busy sifting through an overwhelming amount of shit they were never even supposed to regulate or govern over. Coupled with all sorts of pointless gov jobs in the form of directors of this and that and blah blah blah...

See... its stupid and pointless. Just make shit cheaper and stop crying about this and get on with your day. If you can't figure out how to bank from this, then fuck off and go look somewhere else, because no one solution is gonna stop this. Ever. Well, that is, unless we all die on Dec 21 2012.. lol

Originally Posted by Mutt

huh? i clicked your thread title and read the above post and was hopeful that there was some new law with big fang being planned. So I clicked the link to the article ...... where do you see anything about 'steel bars hotel'? all i see is another toothless law that won't do a thing in the battle against piracy.

in a nutshell here is what may happen to a pirate:

1)Throttling subscriber bandwidth speeds

2)Limiting subscriber access to websites (eg, restricting access to the top 200 sites until the contested behavior stops)

3)Requiring the subscriber to participate in an educational program on copyright

Terminating Internet access is not being considered, the report says. The cost of this agreement will be shared by the ISPs and content providers.

i'm sure content thieves are going to be shaking in their boots when they're faced with giving up a Saturday to attend an educational course on copyright

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Not if you have to modify the hardware to do it.

Look at the Xbox. You can take one apart and modify it to run pirated games, but it's enough of a hassle that it keeps piracy to minimum.

The whole point is to manage piracy, not totally stop it. If the protection is in the CPU or GPU, not many people are going to fuck with their $2K computers just to avoid paying 99 cents for a song. That's the point.

The very motivated will always try to pirate content, the key is to make it so it's just not worth the hassle for the average Joe, which is why I used the Xbox example. Games are $60 and it's still not worth it for most people to crack open their game consoles.

Originally Posted by Redrob

Border's Books, Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, Movie Gallery, Tower Records, and a hundred more gone.

Do you see a pattern?

Time for a correction........

Originally Posted by NetHorse

Well, the problem is a PC is a lot more versatile than a console that's designed to read a single type of media.

Some consoles use a GD-ROM which is a modified CD-ROM or blu ray to access the game's functionality

XBOX's for example boot from a special partition on games created for it. Put an XBOX 360 game in a PC and it will read it as the disc was spun backwards when manufactured.

They also took it a step further, 360s and PS3s read the angular distance between specific data sectors on the disc. In other words, a duplicated DVD will return different values than a pressed original would.

On a PC it would be very difficult to achieve a level of encoding that's versatile enough and offer any type of real protection.

Originally Posted by halfpint

Cowabunga ..I love reading these types of threads and u never know somebody might just come up with something that can put a big dent in piracy. Some of the savy people who can see an opertunity to make money from this pirate problem like removeyourcontent, im sure are making good bank from it

Originally Posted by Socks

Hey where's Gideon? Did his mom take away his internet?

I bet he gave her a speech about his human rights.

Originally Posted by Jon

Most major piracy operations out on the interwebz are far more advanced than the US gov and all of the MPAA/RIAA folks combined.

Originally Posted by RycEric

I was running porn sites when you were in diapers bro. We have vested interests in seeing piracy come down just as anyone else.